Posted on 03/19/2014 12:35:27 AM PDT by tcrlaf
So Muzzies against Putin? Let’s see....
“Up to 20 warships and auxiliary vessels of the Ukrainian navy could become part of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet”
It is far more likely that Russia doesn’t want ANY of the Ukraine ships, except perhaps the sub, which could be a threat.
The Ukrainian Navy is in horrible shape, they only have one ship capable of long ops, and that is only if replenishment is supplied by another nation. The rest is pretty much outdated, barely seaworthy (and in many cases not) junk.
So: Turkey closes the Bosphorus; Russia and Turkey at war; Obama sides with NATO “ally” Turkey; USA is on the Moslem side against Russia. (Note to self: Blood moon is April 15, Passover.)
RT’s 5PM Evening News just posted, with lots of video on this.
http://rt.com/bulletin-board/rtnews-march-19-1700msk-738/
I’ll be blunt. If Ukraine wants the west to support its independence in the face of Russian aggression, its own forces are going to have to show more fortitude that what they displayed in Crimea. I can understand them not using force up until now as the Ukraine did not want to give Russia an excuse to invade but that is no longer the case. Ukraine needs an “Alamo” to rally its own countrymen and to demonstrate to the rest of the world that they are prepared to sacrifice for their goals. The civilians in Kiev showed more gumption that the Ukraine military.
Or a "Westerplatte."
Registration wall? Try this.
http://www.novinite.com/articles/159035/Turkey+Threatens+to+Close+Bosphorus+for+Russian+Ships
The Radicals in Kiev are forming Militias, and a Svoboda “National Guard”, because the military cannot be counted on to fight.
Lets be aware of those who want us to rush into war.
Take a look at history re 4 August 1964.
LBJ’s duplicity got us into a land war in SE Asia and split this country apart.
LBJ’s duplicity cost a lot of lives and left thousands of brave soldiers, Marines, Air Force and Sailors mentally harmed for life.
http://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhistory/2008-02/truth-about-tonkin
On 2 August 1964, North Vietnamese patrol torpedo boats attacked the USS Maddox (DD-731) while the destroyer was in international waters in the Gulf of Tonkin. There is no doubting that fact.
But what happened in the Gulf during the late hours of 4 August—and the consequential actions taken by U.S. officials in Washington—has been seemingly cloaked in confusion and mystery ever since that night.
Over the next three hours, the two ships repeatedly maneuvered at high speeds to evade perceived enemy boat attacks. The destroyers reported automatic-weapons fire; more than 20 torpedo attacks; sightings of torpedo wakes, enemy cockpit lights, and searchlight illumination; and numerous radar and surface contacts. By the time the destroyers broke off their “counterattack,” they had fired 249 5-inch shells, 123 3-inch shells, and four or five depth charges.
Commander Stockdale was again in the action, this time alone. When his wingman’s aircraft developed trouble, Stockdale got permission to launch solo from the Ticonderoga . He arrived overhead at 2135. For more than 90 minutes, he made runs parallel to the ships’ course and at low altitude (below 2,000 feet) looking for the enemy vessels. He reported later, “I had the best seat in the house to watch that event and our destroyers were just shooting at phantom targets—there were no PT boats there . . . there was nothing there but black water and American firepower.”
Captain Herrick also began to have doubts about the attack. As the battle continued, he realized the “attacks” were actually the results of “overeager sonar operators” and poor equipment performance. The Turner Joy had not detected any torpedoes during the entire encounter, and Herrick determined that the Maddox ‘s operators were probably hearing the ship’s propellers reflecting off her rudder during sharp turns. 12 The destroyer’s main gun director was never able to lock onto any targets because, as the operator surmised, the radar was detecting the stormy sea’s wave tops.
By 0127 on 5 August, hours after the “attacks” had occurred, Herrick had queried his crew and reviewed the preceding hours’ events. He sent a flash (highest priority) message to Honolulu, which was received in Washington at 1327 on 4 August, declaring his doubts: “Review of action makes many reported contacts and torpedoes fired appear doubtful. Freak weather effects on radar and overeager sonarmen may have accounted for many reports. No actual visual sightings by MADDOX. Suggest complete evaluation before any further action taken.”
Is this one of those cases where the AP is showing they predicted this on 4-19-2012?
Yes, but the MSM will cover Obama’s college basketball picks!
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They’ve already moved on to the next vacation - saw a story where staffers are currently scouting Martha’s Vineyard for the Obama family vacation around Aug. 9.
However, Crimean authorities said the mission would not be allowed into the territory. "Nobody wants them in Crimea. Nobody will let them in, they will be sent back," said the Crimea's leader, Sergei Aksyonov.
Dismissing systematic and government sanctioned enslavement of human beings as merely an excuse is morally repugnant.
Is the base in Crimea or Ukraine?
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