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5 reasons to consider a no-strings-attached, basic income for all Americans
Salon ^ | March 19, 2014 | Lynn Stuart Parramore

Posted on 03/20/2014 2:14:19 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

What if you could receive a guaranteed basic yearly income with no strings attached? Didn’t matter how much money you made now, or in the future. Nobody would ask about your job status or how many kids you have. The check would arrive in the mailbox, no matter what.

Sounds like a far-fetched idea, right? Wrong. All over the world, people are talking guaranteeing basic incomes for citizens as a viable policy.

Half of all Canadians want it. The Swiss have had a referendum on it. The American media is all over it: The New York Times’ Annie Lowrey considered basic income as an answer to an economy that leaves too many people behind, while Matt Bruenig and Elizabeth Stoker of theAtlantic wrote about it as a way to reduce poverty.

The idea is not new: In his final book, Martin Luther King Jr. suggested that guaranteeing people money without requiring them to do anything in exchange was a good way for Americans to share in prosperity. In the 1960s and early 1970s, many in the U.S. gave the idea serious consideration. Even Richard Nixon supported a version of it. But by 1980, the political tide shifted to the right and politicians moved their talking points to unfettered markets and individual gain from sharing the wealth and evening the playing field.

Advocates say it’s an idea whose time has finally come. In a world of chronic job insecurity, stagnant wages, boom-and-bust cycles that wipe out ordinary people through no fault of their own, and shredded social safety nets, proponents warn that we have to come up with a way to make sure people can survive regardless of work status or economic conditions. Here are five reasons they give as to why a guaranteed basic income might just be the answer.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: communism; miltonfriedman; minimumwage; negativeincometax; obamarecession; obamataxhikes; socialism; societalrot; ubi; universalbasicincome
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To: exDemMom

I didn’t say money wouldn’t inflate. But the value would have nothing to do with whether it was earned or given to someone, which is what you said.


21 posted on 03/20/2014 3:13:17 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: C210N
We already have this. It is a combination of Earned Income Credit and about 140 welfare programs. Working the “system” one can take in $52,000 here in MA. Your state may vary.

Why yes. And Howie Carr was on a screed a while back that this fact combined with the Forensic Evidence being Jimmied ( let 10,000 perps go? ) and the Lawsuit that will probably involve the State of MA (i.e. their blessing of the Lab with the Tainted Injections) add up in a way to denote the Bay State is headed for real trouble. He also mentioned "Romneycare" is also squeezing budgets. With that said, how soon before MA is broke?

22 posted on 03/20/2014 3:13:50 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Something for Nothing - the oldest scam since the Dawn of Mankind.


23 posted on 03/20/2014 3:14:52 AM PDT by abb
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To: abb

Then you need to invade other countries and take what they have - take from people who produce and haven’t been turned into house plants.


24 posted on 03/20/2014 3:17:52 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“A government powerful enough to give you everything you want is powerful enough to take away everything you have”


25 posted on 03/20/2014 3:18:59 AM PDT by stockpirate (Only a tidal wave of tyrants blood will return our tree of liberty......)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The American media is all over it: The New York Times’ Annie Lowrey considered basic income as an answer to an economy that leaves too many people behind, while Matt Bruenig and Elizabeth Stoker of theAtlantic wrote about it as a way to reduce poverty.

The kind of poverty we have in the United States in 2014 isn't the kind of poverty that any amount of money can fix.

26 posted on 03/20/2014 3:19:31 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

But who will work to generate the tax money to pay for those who are content to live off the “basis income?” Or, will the government just print the money to pass out?


27 posted on 03/20/2014 3:27:09 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Panem et Circenses. (Latin for Bread and Circuses.)


28 posted on 03/20/2014 3:32:29 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Widespread public support for this sort of economic magical-thinking is the inevitable result of letting the Left take control of the education of our children.


29 posted on 03/20/2014 3:35:54 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Nothing will get done because nobody will work.


30 posted on 03/20/2014 3:36:21 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: exDemMom

——Just... wow. Are people really that stupid?——

The economic IQ in this country must be below 25....

How can anyone think this idea is even remotely viable must be brain dead....


31 posted on 03/20/2014 3:38:54 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What if you could receive a guaranteed basic yearly income with no strings attached?

Impossible. The money has to come from somewhere. "Strings" and consequences will always apply.

32 posted on 03/20/2014 3:41:14 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: exDemMom
In turn, the value of the money is diluted by the amount of money handed out in exchange for nothing.

Similar to what the Fed is doing?

33 posted on 03/20/2014 3:42:36 AM PDT by varon (Para bellum)
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To: Hugin

Friedman proposed a negative income tax.

We have pretty much achieved what he was talking about with earned income tax credits, food stamps, welfare, crazy money, section 8 housing. His plan was simpler. What we have done is provide millions of government jobs to administer 80 different income redistribution schemes.


34 posted on 03/20/2014 3:44:06 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Hugin
I believe Milton Friedman supported the idea of a "minimum income standard" because it enabled everyone to be a customer of one kind or another.

The logical extension of that idea is that the same government that gives the money out (to people who allegedly need it) then turns around and does whatever it can to get the money right back. That's why lottery sales, for example, are highest in places where people live in poverty.

What the author of this article doesn't understand (among a lot of other things) is that poverty is usually the result of poor decision-making, not unfortunate circumstances. When Rodney King won a court settlement against the LAPD for nearly $4 million after he got his @ss beaten by a bunch of cops, he didn't suddenly become a rich man. He became a poor man with a lot of money ... which is why he ended up dead at the bottom of a swimming pool with alcohol and multiple narcotics in his system.

35 posted on 03/20/2014 3:46:30 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Hugin

Sure but then people living on the basic guaranteed income couldn’t afford milk

So they would need more guaranteed income

then the price of milk would go to $15

Now multiply this by every item money buys- shelter utilities food transportation clothing medical care insurance-


36 posted on 03/20/2014 3:46:43 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Ok, let’s try to find something positive.

If we did this, but also got rid of all facets of government that provide “free stuff” - then slowly reduced the payout of the “basic income” over time.....

I know, it would never happen....


37 posted on 03/20/2014 3:46:48 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: varon

The Treasury Has Already Minted Two Trillion Dollar Coins

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kotlikoff/2013/01/19/the-treasury-has-already-minted-two-trillion-dollar-coins/


38 posted on 03/20/2014 3:47:27 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A free paycheck for Everybody.
So what is the incentive for people to stand on waste removal trucks every day, week after week in the freezing cold of winter and the stifling heat of summer to collect the trash that we all generate.
Or to work in a smelly waste treatment facility on a daily bases to keep every ones toilet flushing.

39 posted on 03/20/2014 3:48:41 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“5 reasons to consider a no-strings-attached, basic income for all Americans”

1) It will create a one-party state
2) It will increase crime
3) It will increase bastardy
4) It will increase poverty
5) It will ensure the final victory of communism

Well, there’s five right there! Didn’t take long, either.


40 posted on 03/20/2014 3:50:50 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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