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Humiliation Nation(s)
Townhall.com ^ | March 20, 2014 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 03/20/2014 6:37:15 AM PDT by Kaslin

What is it about Western leaders from Neville Chamberlain to George W. Bush who want to find good in men of bad character?

Acting as if he were endowed by special insight bestowed upon no one else, President George W. Bush declared in 2001 that he had looked Vladimir Putin in the eye and "was able to get a sense of his soul."

According to the Daily Caller.com, in a 2010 interview with talk radio host Hugh Hewitt, Bush, who was promoting his book "Decision Points," was asked about his ability to see into the souls of men. The former president explained, "The reason why I said that is because I remembered him talking movingly about his mother and the cross that she gave him that she said she had blessed in Jerusalem."

Well, bless my soul, as the saying goes. No doubt several communist leaders in the former Soviet Union had mothers who went to church and took their sons with them -- until faith became a drag on upward mobility in the Communist Party. It doesn't mean any one of them underwent some drastic religious transformation.

What Bush should have asked Putin is whether he shared his mother's faith and if so, what difference that had made on his thinking? Usually when people "convert" from one belief system to another they give a reason for the shift. Not so with Putin. He has not walked the sawdust trail of redemption and embraced pluralistic, democratic or capitalistic beliefs. Quite the opposite.

In a 2005 state of the nation speech, Putin declared: "Above all, we should acknowledge that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century. As for the Russian nation, it became a genuine drama. Tens of millions of our co-citizens and co-patriots found themselves outside Russian territory. Moreover, the epidemic of disintegration infected Russia itself."

In the Hewitt interview, Bush claimed that since that early meeting with Putin, the Russian leader had become a different person. The other possibility is that Putin has always been the same person, but lied and projected a different image to a gullible Bush who wanted to believe what he thought he saw.

Putin and his cronies are now openly mocking the United States. Under President Obama we are becoming a humiliation nation. Meaningless "sanctions," which amount to not even a slap on the wrist, are laughed at in Moscow. And the problem with sanctions is that Russia has options, too, like cutting off gas and oil supplies to Europe and making trouble in other former Soviet republics. Recently, Russian news anchor Dmitry Kiselyov took to the Rossiya 1 news channel to declare that Russia is the only country capable of turning the United States into "radioactive ashes." A picture of a mushroom cloud was projected on the screen behind him. Iran might see this bragging by Russia as a challenge to its own nuclear ambitions.

Understanding one's adversary is sometimes more important than defeating him, especially if one wishes to avoid armed conflict. The fall of the Berlin Wall was the symbolic collapse of the Soviet Union and occupied Eastern Europe. Putin clearly believes Russia was humiliated after the collapse and the American triumphalism that followed. But humiliation can cut two ways.

Russia feels slighted for not being recognized as a great power. In some sense -- though the analogy is far from perfect -- Russia reflects Germany's attitude after its defeat in World War I. The Treaty of Versailles forced Germany to disarm, concede territory and pay reparations. Hitler's rise to power two decades later was in large part due to his appeal to German nationalism and pride, which is precisely Vladimir Putin's appeal to the Russian people.

Putin has promised not to annex any territory beyond Crimea. We'll see if he keeps that promise. Meanwhile, it would be nice if President Obama led on this matter instead of making the United States the laughingstock of the world's dictators and to our detriment, perhaps some of our allies.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: humilations; sanctions; vladimirputin
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1 posted on 03/20/2014 6:37:15 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Ah, the LSM has their talking point: Blame Bush. How original. /spit


2 posted on 03/20/2014 6:43:02 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Kaslin
I hate Hillary as much as the next guy, but in fact she is right to compare Putin's moves to Hitler's of 1936.

She castigated Mittens for expressing the idea that Russia was our big boogeyman, but he was right, and now she is saying that same thing, it appears.

3 posted on 03/20/2014 6:49:25 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Kaslin
What is it about Western leaders from Neville Chamberlain to George W. Bush who want to find good in men of bad character?

I just got hosed on a large (for me) business partnership with a guy whose integrity and acumen I believed in completely. I am baffled that I could have misjudged the man and the situation for as long as I did.

4 posted on 03/20/2014 6:50:01 AM PDT by Bill W was a conservative (Profile, detain, interrogate, deport.)
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To: Kaslin

There’s roughly 2.5 years left in this administration. I’m pretty sure that Putin will make it his goal to humiliate President Obama on a monthly basis....just for the fun of it.


5 posted on 03/20/2014 6:56:30 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Kaslin


6 posted on 03/20/2014 6:57:00 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: pepsionice

Shouldn’t be too hard. All Putin has to do is stand back and let nature take its course.


7 posted on 03/20/2014 6:57:42 AM PDT by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: piytar
"Bush, who was promoting his book "Decision Points," was asked about his ability to see into the souls of men."

This is an unusually snarky piece by Thomas. I think most people believe that they have some ability to judge character, i.e., "to see into the souls of men." Bush may have been wrong in this case, but haven't all of us said things like, "There's something I don't trust about that guy," or "She's kind of strange, but I think she has a good heart"?
8 posted on 03/20/2014 7:03:40 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle
This is an unusually snarky piece by Thomas. I think most people believe that they have some ability to judge character, i.e., "to see into the souls of men." Bush may have been wrong in this case, but haven't all of us said things like, "There's something I don't trust about that guy," or "She's kind of strange, but I think she has a good heart"?

Bush was a fool and a disaster.

His actions and the unquestioning devotion of many of his supporters says alot about the soft character and intellect of conservatives.

9 posted on 03/20/2014 7:30:15 AM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: JoeProBono

Interesting. It appears that Putin is left eye dominant. It doesn’t mean anything (I don’t think). It is just an observation.


10 posted on 03/20/2014 8:05:24 AM PDT by Glennb51
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To: piytar

You do know that Cal Thomas has been a very successful and prominent conservative for about 40 years, don’t you?


11 posted on 03/20/2014 8:18:05 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom.)
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To: Glennb51

Being left eye dominant myself,right hand shooting was safe for the target;switching to left hand put the bullets in the target.FWIW.

On the main topic,I think there is a natural desire among good people to want or believe everyone else is also basically good.That is not realistic,no more than the view everyone is basically evil. The truth is ,as I see it,most people have been taught to be basically good but most will also take advantage of others if they think there will be no adverse consequences for themselves. A few are just good,and a few are just evil.The evil can scarcely think of others not being as they are except for the others’ “weakness”.

Wishful thinking that the thug will change behavior spontaneously has caused untold misery in the long run.


12 posted on 03/20/2014 8:18:40 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: elhombrelibre

Yeah, I goofed. Checked author name after commenting. Ooops.


13 posted on 03/20/2014 8:19:37 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Kaslin
Anyone making character judgments by listening to spoken words is on a fools errand. Actions determine character.
14 posted on 03/20/2014 8:26:05 AM PDT by BethelPatriot
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To: ClaytonP

“Bush was a fool and a disaster. His actions...says alot about the soft character and intellect of conservatives.”

The Bush’s are not and never have been conservative. Your ignorant spewings say more about you than conservatives, troll.


15 posted on 03/20/2014 10:53:39 AM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: Owl558

Um, that would be ‘n00bie troll’ .. June 2013 sign up.


16 posted on 03/20/2014 10:54:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Kaslin
[Article] A picture of a mushroom cloud was projected on the screen behind him. Iran might see this bragging by Russia as a challenge to its own nuclear ambitions.

It might also be seen as "go ahead and go for it, we've got your back. We'll hold their arms while you take their downtowns out."

Scenario: The U.S. getting worked over with deniable, Iranian-sourced terror weapons in the 5-15kt (Nagasaki) range, while Russia stands over us and tells us not to retaliate, because we don't "know" who is doing it.

How 'bout that for Barky Soetoro's Ultimate Revenge against America? "Allahuh akhbar! Death to America! Death to capitalists! I done TOLE you white-trash crackas!"

17 posted on 03/20/2014 11:43:40 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: hoosierham
I think there is a natural desire among good people to want or believe everyone else is also basically good.

That one is 2000 years old. It's called "the Brutus syndrome".

18 posted on 03/20/2014 11:45:23 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: JoeProBono; humblegunner; stevie_d_64; Liberty Valance; Eaker; Bigun

Notice that they had to give Lefty Barry a ported shotgun to keep it from knocking him on his girly ass.


19 posted on 03/20/2014 11:47:29 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kaslin
[Article] Russia feels slighted ....Russia reflects Germany's attitude after its defeat in World War I. ... Hitler's rise to power two decades later was in large part due to his appeal to German nationalism and pride, which is precisely Vladimir Putin's appeal to the Russian people.

Low bridge, everybody. Vlad is coming to get us. Vlad = Adolf Hitler.

This is a good case in point of Godwin's Law not always being valid.

Still waiting on Nostradamus's "man in a blue turban", his Third Great Tyrant.

20 posted on 03/20/2014 11:54:26 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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