Posted on 03/20/2014 3:34:27 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
No more democrats... Democrats don't understand the above - they're gonna get us all killed. No more democrat Presidents...
The perception, not the reality, of relative strength and weakness is what guides aggressive states.
I could post a choice of several graphics to that, but no one would care. I’ll just say I approve of your comments. Thank you Phil.
A distinction without a difference.
Kruschev was a Russian and not a Ukrainian.
He was born 3 k from Ukraine, and Ukraine was his adopted country. He was an ethnic Russian from a town that is now part of Russia, but he rose through the ranks of the Ukrainian communist party and led Ukraine as head of the the Communist party.
So, by your reasoning possession of the Crimea, a Tatar name by the way, should revert to Turkey under the still operative treaty the Ottoman Empire the right to reclaim the Crimea from Russia under the current circumstances.
So by you reasoning we should give Texas back to Mexico, or Spain and give Alaska back to Russia. I stated a fact, something you seem unable to grasp.
Another placemark.
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That's one of the most stupid things I've ever seen a smart man write.
I cannot disagree.
Everything VDH has written that I’ve come across, I liked.
I did not like this article.
“Obama looks to logic, reason, and morality..”
WTF?????????????
Spot on.
And my government doesn't care. If 19 million Russians crossed into Ukraine it might be an issue. Why isn't it an issue when 19 million Mexicans invade my country?
Our puffed up liberal elites 'leaders' care MORE about Ukraine than the United States. What about California, Texas and Florida?
Our liberal elites are fools if they think we're going to die for their big fat egos so they can swagger on the world's stage. If they want to go to war they can pick up some guns, book a flight to the Ukraine and do their own fighting. Or they can start protecting OUR borders.
Get it Washington? Protect us. Protect Americans.
Protect OUR borders - then we'll talk about the rest of the world.
That is a false statement as well. You told readers the Crimea was given to the Ukraine, which implies what was given can be reclaimed without an exchange of goods, services, or rights of more or less equal value. As I pointed out to you the Crimea was exchanged as a form of reparations by Russia for the goods, services, and rights taken by armed force and genocide from the people of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. This is what is known as a quid pro quo, which is the exact opposite of a gift being given without compensatory consideration. Russia has now used military force to invade, seize, conquer, and annex the territories of the Ukraine without any compensatory consideration and in breach of international legal agreements not to do so in exchange for the Ukraine's former Soviet nuclear arsenal. Now that is a distinction with a difference larger than all of the nuclear weapons of Britain, France, and China combined as well as the millions of Ukrainians killed by the Russians in the Holomodor.
“He was born 3 k from Ukraine, and Ukraine was his adopted country. He was an ethnic Russian from a town that is now part of Russia, but he rose through the ranks of the Ukrainian communist party and led Ukraine as head of the the Communist party.”
That is about like saying William the Conqueror was a Saxon and not a Norman, which is of course just more absurd disinformation and lies when you try to misrepresent Nikita Kruschev as a Ukrainian who did something wrong to the poor disadvantaged Russians who are invading the Ukraine.
“So by you reasoning we should give Texas back to Mexico, or Spain and give Alaska back to Russia.”
Now you are making further false statements calculated to deceive the readers. You falsely say the reasoning implies “the United States should give Texas back to Mexico, or Spain”, which is a false comparison and a false conclusion.
The Crimea had an opportunity to vote in a referendum to remain with the Ukraine or with Russia when the two former Soviet Socialist Republics agreed to separate into independent nations within the CIS commonwealth. The majority of the voters in the Crimea voted to go with the Ukraine and not with Russia.
By comparison, Texas was one of many Mexican states who remained loyal to the federal government of Mexico and its popular Constitution of 1824 when a cabal of rebel military officers and conservadores overthrew the constitutional government in a coup. The rebel Mexican government instituted a civil war against the loyalist Mexican states, which included Texas. The rebel Mexican government succeeded in conquering, looting, raping, and murdering Loyalist and other Mexican citizens in all but three of the loyalist Mexican states; and they had no alternative for survival but to declare themselves independent of the unlawful rebel government as the Republic of the Rio Grande, the Republic of Yucatán, and the Republic of Texas. The Republic of Texas then succeeded in defeating the rebel Mexican Army and negotiated an agreement for the Mexican terms of surrender and terms of peace, in which the head of the rebel Government of Mexico granted independence to the Republic of Texas. Upon being given clemency for his war crimes and repatriated to Mexico in accordance with the terms of the surrender and Texan Independence, Santa Ana and the rebel Government of Mexico dishonorably repudiated their solemn agreements and threatened further war upon the independent Republic of Texas and other former states of Mexico. The Mexican state of Coahuila-Texas voted to remain a state of Mexico, until the rebel Mexican government refused to recognize the 1824 Constitution and right of life and property of the citizens of the loyal Mexican states, whereupon their declaration of independence from the rebel Mexican government became the only remaining opportunity for survival. Foreign armies did not invade Mexico and force these Mexican states to declare their independence from Mexico and become three independent republics the way in which Russia's foreign armed forces did force the Crimea to declare its independence from the Ukraine while under foreign military conquest and occupation.
You falsely say the reasoning implies “the United States should “give Alaska back to Russia”, which is a false comparison and a false conclusion.
Russia voluntarily sold Alaska to the United States. The Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic voluntarily elected to dissolve the Soviet Union in 1991, and the voters of the Crimea voluntarily voted in the majority to remain politically associated with the Ukraine instead of Russia. The Crimea has now been involuntarily invaded and annexed to Russia in breach of Russia's compensated agreements to not do so.
“I stated a fact, something you seem unable to grasp.”
No, you stated a fiction instead a fact in an effort to propagate Russian disinformation and disaffection.
I stated a fact that Crimea was given to Ukraine by Khrushchev. This is a fact. I never implied what you say I implied. That is your delusion. Question – Did Khrushchev give Crimea to Ukraine? This is a yes or no answer.
when you try to misrepresent Nikita Kruschev as a Ukrainian who did something wrong to the poor disadvantaged Russians who are invading the Ukraine.
I said nothing of the sort. Again, these are your words, not mine. I read something that said Khrushchev was Ukrainian. I knew he was the head of the communist party in Ukraine. I thought he was Ukrainian. My bad.
My simple statement was that Crimea was part of Russia longer than Texas was part of the United States. This is a fact. I also said Crimea was given to Ukraine in 1954. Also a fact. It is not surprising that Russia wants it back. The better example would be 0bama gave us socialized medicine and took over 1/6 of the US economy. We want it back, and will change the unconstitutional usurpation of our economy.
“I stated a fact that Crimea was given to Ukraine by Khrushchev. This is a fact.”
No, that is still a fiction and not a fact. The dictionary definition of the word, “given”, is something “presented as a gift : bestowed without compensation.” The Crimea was transferred to or bestowed upon the Ukraine as reparations and compensation for the lives and treasure taken from the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (Ukraine) by the Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (Russia) and rest of the Soviet Union. Therefore the transfer of the Crimea to the Ukranian Soviet Socialist Republic is that exact opposite of the definition of the word “given” you falsely stated was a fact. The implication is inherent in your statement of the fiction.
“Did Khrushchev give Crimea to Ukraine? This is a yes or no answer.”
The answer is “no”, because the Soviet Union and not just Nikita Kruschev transferred the Crimean Oblast to the Ukranian Soviet Socialist Republic as a reparation and compensation and did not “give” it to anyone.
“My simple statement was that Crimea was part of Russia longer than Texas was part of the United States. This is a fact. I also said Crimea was given to Ukraine in 1954. Also a fact.”
Yes, those are facts; but it is also a fact that Turkey possessed the Crimea longer than Russia possessed it and would like to have it back under the terms of the treaty it had with Russia and Russia abrogated. So, if the length of prior possession is the measure of who should have the right to forcibly take possession of the Crimea, then NATO would be able to rightfully invade the Crimea and transfer possession of the Crimea to Turkey to secure the treaty terms for the independence of the Tatars. Since the advent of the Kellogg-Briand Pact, the Charter of the United Nations, and the Russian obligations to respect the territorial integrity of the Ukraine specifying the Crimea in particular in the 1994 and 1997 agreements, the right of possession of the Crimea belongs to the Ukraine and not to Russia. That is a fact plainly written on the papers of the agreements with Russia’s signature.
“We want it back, and will change the unconstitutional usurpation of our economy.”
The transfer of the Crimea from the Soviet Federative Socialist Republic was a constitutional act and was not a usurpation of any rights possessed by the Soviet Federative Socialist Republic. If anything, the transfer of the Crimea to the Ukranian Soviet Socialist Republic was a Russian usurpation of the Turkish treaty rights to preserve the political independence of the Crimean Tatars. That is a real fact written on the paper of the peace treaty.
Therefore, it is a fact that your example of Obama’s usurpations are a false comparison to the non-existant Russian right of possession of the Crimea.
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