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The Hitler Model [Victor Davis Hanson]
Hoover Institution ^ | March 18, 2014 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 03/20/2014 3:34:27 PM PDT by 1rudeboy

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To: Fred Nerks

I really don’t care, Fred.


61 posted on 03/20/2014 5:58:28 PM PDT by Parmenio
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To: FatherofFive

Had we and other western interests not been stirring the pot, none of this would have happened. Author is giving the western ‘rogue nations’ and NGOs a pass.


62 posted on 03/20/2014 5:59:19 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: tomkat

“We are all Obamunists now.”


63 posted on 03/20/2014 6:00:36 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Excellent photos of the glories wrought by the NWO.

It should make the Obamacon jingoists very proud.


64 posted on 03/20/2014 6:04:08 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: trapped_in_LA; kabar; Travis McGee; Kartographer
My god, man, stick with the script!

US (government) good, all other non-vassal states, bad. You know, the same kind of simplistic thinking expounded in Animal Farm: four legs good, two legs, bad.

Once you know that the US government (note, not "America") only bombs, invades and manipulates non-vassal states for their own benefit, since, after all, we're the beacon of justice and personal liberty, then you can see why it's all good.

Of course, one should never mention in polite company that as soon as these puppet states are re-aligned under IMF guidelines, the fist thing they do on day #1 is set up a central bank that can exchange financial instruments with the Federal reserve. Forward, Ponzi!

(And on day #2, sign an agreement allowing US/NATO forces. Gee, you thought Kosovo was all about those poor Albanians? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel. Ever wonder what they were planning for Ukraine?)

On a more meta physical level, it's odd that FR posts hundreds of articles, and thousands of posts, each & every week, month after month, year after year, exposing the corruption & diabolical evil manifesting in the central security state.

Yet, we have posters like Kabar citing State dept documents, as if they are unimpeachable sources of unbiased information! Yep, delivered by the same cast of characters who brought us the misinformation campaign starring the video inducing riot in Libya. Need I go on?

On a more sober note, I think it's very difficult for many people to really come to grips with what has happened to their country. In WWII and throughout the Cold War, we were the good guys combating military aggression.

But somewhere along the line, the roles got reversed, and now we're the global tyrant. But like all expansionary empires, at some point an apex is reached before the inevitable decline sets in.

Syria, and now Ukraine, will turn out to be our respective Waterloo. Russia has an absolutely huge population to resource balance - perhaps surpassing ours back in 1940. History is now on their side and against us.

We provoked and Russia responded. We will continue to push at the margins, and they will continue to perfect their defensive techniques. We have something like a 20% unemployment rate, 1 out of 8 people on food stamps, and a $1 trillion dollar deficit that is 100% dependent on the US dollar remaining as the reserve currency.

When this sucker crashes, it's finally going to be time for citizens to restore a constitutional form of government that represents us, not outsiders who use good Americans for their own nefarious deeds.

65 posted on 03/20/2014 6:06:32 PM PDT by semantic
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To: Fred Nerks

Saddam was demonised, Milosevici was demonised , Gaddafi was demonised, Mubarak was demonised, and now V.Putin is demonised ... Any leader the US hate, is a “hitler”

I don’t think those were angels, on the contrary, but in geopolitics , there there is an unwritten rule “Better deal with the devil you know, than with the next one you don’t”.

The US must pay attention, it is not the absolute super-power it was in 1990, at the dissolution of Soviet Union, and one day a president like say, Obama, can be also considered a “hitler” and war criminal , for the extra-judiciary assassinations using drones in Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Kenya and only God know where else.


66 posted on 03/20/2014 6:06:55 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Psalm 144
Had we and other western interests not been stirring the pot, none of this would have happened.

Please see my #26.

67 posted on 03/20/2014 6:13:38 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Parmenio
I really don’t care, Fred.

But you did care enough to write:

The U.S. does not need UN approval to go to war. Or do you think the U.S. should be ruled by the UN?

I think it's been clearly shown that the US needs more than approval, it needs supervision, and we can see that supervision being carried out by the one country least likely. Your old foe, come to its senses, taking notice of the citizens who don't feel like they belong to the Ukraine, simply because they were 'given away' as a peace-offering by Kruschev in 1954.

And now there are rah-rah-rooters here advocating military action. Stop demonizing what others do. You've got troubles enough at home. More than you can handle imo. The danger is that the US will forever be tarred with the brush of this administration.

The only people unhappy about recent events in East Ukraine are the muslims. The remainder see Russia as HOME. Ukraine is crying over a gift made to them that was never Kruschev's to give. You can't give away a nationality.

Why is the US sounding like the Europeans, more and more?

68 posted on 03/20/2014 6:15:15 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Parmenio

In this case, as Russia didn’t sign ANY treaty with the US either concerning Ukraine or Crimea, so they can do as they please. And the US have not a word to say about it.


69 posted on 03/20/2014 6:16:46 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: murrie

I’ve been saying it for a long time. “The Three Cs” I call it.


70 posted on 03/20/2014 6:21:17 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Marguerite

This is one of the reasons I think we should not base our positions on international law or the UN. It is clear that we have abused our position in the UN to inflict International Law on others, but when it comes to the reverse application of International Law on the U.S., we balk, well at least until we have a leader who is so weak, he swallows that bitter pill.

It is better to be a strong nation, with key allies, and handle international relations as our constitution dictates, rather than manipulating the UN, etc.

The manipulation and reverse shielding just make us look like hypocrites to the world.

But, here is the problem: no leader since Reagan has seen fit to lead our nation to that state. Even the Bushes became enthralled with international law and being its enforcer. I don’t know where the desire comes from. Obviously as voters, we have some say in this, but we don’t seem to care, as long as the Constitution is the law of our land, screw everyone else. The problem is, when the “right” leader comes along, we are going to end up as screwed as the people we are actively screwing over now. Right now, the double standard makes us look like hypocrites.

Notice I am not advocating we become weak and allow International Law to come inside our borders, but I am advocating we become strong again, withdraw from the UN, and find solace with our allies, Britain, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada (the five eyes).

Finally, if we were already on that course, we wouldn’t be concerned about Crimea right now. If a Nation allied with the U.S., then we’d protect you, International Law be damned. If you weren’t an allie, then you hopefully appeal to the UN courts and maybe in a few years, they hear your plea, issue a edict, and then nothing will happen.

As it is, we have screwed ourselves mightily in Crimea. Putin acted within the boundaries of international law and treaties, and got what he wanted. Our guarantee to the Ukraine was worth less than the paper we wrote it on, because we are basically confined to glorious International Law nowadays, and a military force, that while strong and efficient for its size, its not capable of fighting all our battles at this point.


71 posted on 03/20/2014 6:37:26 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Marguerite; PhilDragoo
Like Gaddhafi said in that video, 'you could be next' while the Saudi's sat there with hate etched into their faces, and Assad was smiling. There were already two more candidates in that room on that day. Assad vilified as monster, right on cue. And Gaddhafi wasn't beholden to the IMF. He had funds enough to build massive infrastructure. What happened to his gold reserve? Why did NATO destroy the complex which produced the pipes for the Great Underground River Project?

The rag-tag criminal gangs now in possession of the country are killing each other for control of the corpse of the country. NATO left them nothing but dead foreign workers in the desert.

Yes, wasn't Mubarak a monster too? How DARE he keep his pact with Israel for 30 years, and outlaw the Muslim Brotherhood. Yes, it's time to wake up and take stock, you can't act as if Reagan was still at the helm, you've got an entirely different scenario today. The termites have eaten into the support structure, the house is tottering on its foundations and the head termite is a muslim promoter.

72 posted on 03/20/2014 6:41:45 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Psalm 144
...It should make the Obamacon jingoists very proud.

I kept a few examples of what was done to remind me.

73 posted on 03/20/2014 6:53:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Aqua225

“Right now, the double standard makes us look like hypocrites”

Right now, the double standard applied by Obama administration IS hypocrite.
On one hand it supports a violent, bloody coup d’état in a foreign country (see deputy-Secretary of State Nulland cooking up the “new” Ukraine government with the US Ambassador, while president Yanoukivich is in power),

http://youtu.be/bdygnTrrGVI

http://youtu.be/jW1WDbDX7wE

and on the other hand declaring a referendum of self-determination “illegal”.

So it’s “legal” to overthrow a democratically elected president, but “illegal” to respect the will of the people.


75 posted on 03/20/2014 7:08:58 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Fred Nerks

“Yes, wasn’t Mubarak a monster too? How DARE he keep his pact with Israel for 30 years, and outlaw the Muslim Brotherhood.”

Mubarak, the staunchest US ally in the Middle East, was dropped by Obama like an used sock. I was outraged the treatment he got from the US administration, after all these years.


76 posted on 03/20/2014 7:15:54 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

I think we know which way is up. Anyone who now still can say the US should do this that or the other...needs to think very hard about who is in charge. The mess left behind will take several genereations to clean up, and the smell will last forever.


77 posted on 03/20/2014 7:22:35 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: FatherofFive

It’s sickening hearing conservatives comparing Putin to Hitler. The killings would in Ukraine have been indiscriminate and brutal. Same with Stalin. None of this trifling stuff. Real brutality.

The other thing about this rally round the flag crap, we are being led by people (Kerry, Biden) who loved the communists in the Soviet Union, and they’ve absolutely turned our flag flaming pink.


78 posted on 03/20/2014 7:29:05 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Fred Nerks
The same day in Obamaland:

Obama: "Iranians deserve better then the crippling sanctions on their economy."

Obama announced more sanctions on Russia "because of that country's actions in Crimea".

79 posted on 03/20/2014 7:34:57 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

Down is up, and the Iranians will simply pee in his pocket and carry on just as they like.


80 posted on 03/20/2014 7:38:36 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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