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Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns
NYT ^ | March 20, 2014 | By ANDREW E. KRAMER

Posted on 03/20/2014 10:37:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

KIEV, Ukraine — In an effort to stabilize Ukraine and extend its authority, the interim government has set a deadline of Friday for turning in the illegal firearms that are now carried openly by so-called self-defense groups in Independence Square, the politically important plaza in the center of the capital.

The order was seconded on Thursday by the French ambassador to Ukraine, Alain Rémy, who said the disarmament of the militias that helped overthrow the former government is a central requirement for the European Union to begin disbursing financial aid, along with the government fighting corruption.

Prime Minister Arseniy P. Yatsenyuk, who was a staunch supporter of the protesters but never condoned violent tactics, set the deadline for Friday, the day Ukraine is scheduled to sign the political articles of an association agreement with the European Union.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: axisofweasels; banglist; europeanunion; russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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To: RKBA Democrat

But they aren’t the same. If the old boss were the same as the new one there would by no need for the new boss to try to confiscate firearms because the old one would already have done so.


81 posted on 03/21/2014 9:06:13 AM PDT by Grandma Conservative (Take back the GOP Now, not in two years or be prepared to vote RINO once again.)
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To: Grandma Conservative

Welcome aboard, prepare for the hatred.


82 posted on 03/21/2014 9:17:48 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Coming soon to a country near you.


83 posted on 03/21/2014 9:17:54 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The Gubment Has No Legitimacy. It needs to be Removed!)
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To: Navy Patriot; Grandma Conservative

“Welcome aboard, prepare for the hatred.”

Indeed. Hell hath no fury like an Obamacon bloodeater.


84 posted on 03/21/2014 9:39:31 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Asking to surrender the guns is one of the dumbest things the new government has done so far. They are acting like the fight is over and they’re in charge of the situation. It’s nowhere near to be over. Even when it is over, the people will need to stay armed against future Yanukoviches.

There’s a lot of criticism of the new Ukrainian government. Putin has all the initiative and everything that they do is reactive, sometimes a week behind. This criticism is not loud yet, because the country is technically in a state of war with Russia and they’re trying to present a unified front at wartime. But it will be getting louder if the new government keeps up pulling stunts like this.


85 posted on 03/21/2014 9:40:59 AM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Jim Robinson

The Bandera-Ites won’t give up their guns.


86 posted on 03/21/2014 9:42:04 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Jim Robinson

sigh... it never ends.

Give them the bullets first.


87 posted on 03/21/2014 9:42:16 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Lazamataz; Jim Robinson

“...The common call of the tyrant: “I need your guns.”...”

The common answer of free men: “Did you hear that sound? That was the soft click of our rifle safeties being disengaged, all across the land...”


88 posted on 03/21/2014 9:44:35 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

This is in Ukraine ... their rifles click rather loudly when taken off safe ... ;’}


89 posted on 03/21/2014 9:45:38 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Red in Blue PA

“...not be holding a musket...”

An M1 Garand, M1A, or AR15 will do just fine.


90 posted on 03/21/2014 9:45:40 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
sooner or later, Putin is going to try to take a second bite

The way this is going, Ukranians will use their guns and work with the Russians to get rid of the EU bankers.

91 posted on 03/21/2014 9:45:55 AM PDT by grania
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To: NorthMountain

I am VERY familiar with their particular firearms, and you are indeed correct.

But a little proper application of the file in the proper location goes a LONG way to quieting things down...

:^)


92 posted on 03/21/2014 9:50:00 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Whether loud or quiet(er), I hope they have the guts and the brains to hang on to their rifles.

I also hope we AMERICANS have the guts and the brains to hang on to OUR rifles.


93 posted on 03/21/2014 10:04:13 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: RKBA Democrat

Thats is because the new boss knows that most like him less than the old boss


94 posted on 03/21/2014 10:06:40 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: OldArmy52

The Who..It’s “meet the new boss, same as the old boss:)”


95 posted on 03/21/2014 10:07:24 AM PDT by Rick66 (Don't dislike me cause I live in Massholechusetts.)
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To: grania

It should also make us wonder if the playbook will be tried here.


96 posted on 03/21/2014 10:09:53 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Cold Heat
At the risk of being thoroughly chastised once again I will opine. 1. I see George Soros fingerprints all over this. 2. Getting the Ukrainians to turn over their guns for money worked one time previously. That is probably why they are in the fix they are now. the last one was orchestrated by then Senator Barrack Obama and the first Black President Bill Clinton. 2. obama fooled the voters again in 2012 like he did in 2008 so he knows that he can fool the Ukrainians one more time.
97 posted on 03/21/2014 10:10:49 AM PDT by sport
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To: sport

Could be....

Certainly possible. Our leadership is utterly duplicitous most of the time.

But this model for EU/IMF investment is old hat and my guess is that they are simply employing a directive that they already have a habit of doing.

The legitimate Ukrainian government has to play along to get along so they can stabilize the country financially in the short term. That’s why I assume that few actual militia guns will be retrieved..and they will find a way to say that they got many of them voluntarily so they can tell this to the media.

I would..


98 posted on 03/21/2014 10:41:36 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Jim Robinson
is a central requirement for the European Union to begin disbursing financial aid

Yes and what the globalist demands the globalist gets.Bread for your guns!

99 posted on 03/21/2014 11:11:40 AM PDT by Lent
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To: Alberta's Child

There is an uneasy alliance between right wing nationalist soccer hooligan types and corrupt political hacks and oligarchs from the Tymoshenko faction, ie the “pro-Western” people. They are pro-Western in the same sense that Karzai and Maliki are, they will accept Western help to get power and then use that power to loot the country, just like the other political mafia does.

Obviously, this is not a stable situation.

If a free election was held now, the people who have been put in charge may well get less votes than the nationalists or even the Yanukovych people.

The situation in Ukraine will likely be chaotic for a long time, even if Russia and Ukraine settle all disputes.


100 posted on 03/21/2014 11:53:50 AM PDT by Monmouth78
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