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Polls: Americans Repeatedly Say "No!" to U.S. Intervention in Ukraine
The New American ^ | 21 March 2014 | William F. Jasper

Posted on 03/21/2014 7:00:37 PM PDT by VitacoreVision



Polls: Americans Repeatedly Say "No!" to U.S. Intervention in Ukraine

21 March 2014

In polls taken over the past few weeks by a number of opinion survey and news organizations, the American people have sent a remarkably unified message to President Obama and the U.S. Congress: “Stay out of Ukraine!”

Despite being peppered with a constant onslaught of dramatic news video footage from Kiev and the Crimea, as well as a visit to the Obama White House by Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk, and the usual stable of policy “experts” from the Brookings Institution and the Council on Foreign Relations advocating more “robust” U.S. intervention, Americans across the political spectrum remain opposed to still another foreign venture.

A Pew Research Center poll reported on March 11 that in a national survey of over 1,000 adults, Americans, by a nearly two-to-one margin (56 percent vs. 29 percent), say it is more important for the United States to “not get too involved” in the situation with Russia and Ukraine than to “take a firm stand against Russian actions.” The breakdown along party lines, for those expressing opposition to greater involvement was Republicans, 50 percent; Democrats, 55 percent; Independents, 62 percent.
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: intervention; russia; russiawar; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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1 posted on 03/21/2014 7:00:37 PM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: VitacoreVision

Hell no!


2 posted on 03/21/2014 7:02:06 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: VitacoreVision

Its none of our business.

Its Russia’s backyard, we have no vital interest there and we shouldn’t meddle in its affairs.


3 posted on 03/21/2014 7:11:56 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: VitacoreVision

Obama always wins polls, it is why he is a two term president.


4 posted on 03/21/2014 7:12:01 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: goldstategop

True. And Venezuela is in our backyard. If we’re going to start interfering, let’s start there.


5 posted on 03/21/2014 7:19:41 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: goldstategop

And the EU stands around looking worried while they wait for us to come rescue them and they’ll still end up buying the Russian gas no matter what.


6 posted on 03/21/2014 7:20:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: VitacoreVision

Not no, HELL NO


7 posted on 03/21/2014 7:26:51 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Lorianne

Not Hell No, F NO!


8 posted on 03/21/2014 7:28:49 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop

It is our business since we were signatories to the Budapest Memorandum. Is it worth going to war over? No! However, we need to at least provide the Ukrainians with the small arms they requested.

Otherwise we played a major part in duping them into surrendering their nuclear weapons. As for vital interest, that should be obvious. While many cheered the end of the Cold War, the Russians never gave up on their efforts. They have been on the other side of numerous confrontations. Syria and Iran are examples.

We’re taking the wrong road if we don’t provide the wherewithal for Ukraine to defend itself. History will not be kind to us nor our progeny.


9 posted on 03/21/2014 7:45:37 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: VitacoreVision

Taking military action against Russia is a ridiculous idea.
Its not even worth calling an idea.

Not a chance of happening.


10 posted on 03/21/2014 7:45:42 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: meatloaf
It is our business since we were signatories to the Budapest Memorandum.

Bill Clinton was a signatory, I don't recall the Senate ever ratifying it.

11 posted on 03/21/2014 7:46:30 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

It’s not a treaty. It’s a political agreement.


12 posted on 03/21/2014 7:49:43 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: meatloaf

Well if American soldiers butts are going to be on the line because of it, it better be ratified by the Senate.


13 posted on 03/21/2014 7:53:09 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

We’re not required to honor the agreement. It’s justification for anything we chose to do. Providing enough small arms for Ukraine to arm the men it’s in the process of calling up doesn’t mean our boots on the ground. Is That a problem?

We need to throw a monkey wrench into Russia’s plans.


14 posted on 03/21/2014 8:01:42 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: goldstategop

you are wrong, we do have interests there, we just are in no position to defend since the effing administration has run up our debt and decimated our armed forces


15 posted on 03/21/2014 8:02:41 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: VitacoreVision

I will jOkeass nowhere.


16 posted on 03/21/2014 8:03:02 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: meatloaf

How would you feel if Russia armed Separatists in Mexico bent on returning California to Mexico?


17 posted on 03/21/2014 8:03:06 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Did you miss the recent articles on Russia’s plans in South
America? We wouldn’t be making the first move.


18 posted on 03/21/2014 8:12:29 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: meatloaf

What was Bosnia, Kosovo and Georgia?


19 posted on 03/21/2014 8:14:09 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: meatloaf

We don’t need to be getting into another conflict, especially with Russia for heaven’s sake.

Why would we do that? What good could possibly come from providing small arms to one side in a lopsided conflict? It will just get more people killed and YOU CAN COUNT ON IT we will be blamed for more people dying.

No thanks.

Russia may very well be in the wrong, but this is Europe’s problem, not ours. Haven’t we bailed those guys out enough the last 100 years or so?


20 posted on 03/21/2014 8:14:16 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: VitacoreVision

I’ve read the article and perused the posts and replies. All I can say is wonderful wonderful wonderful. We’re all basically on the same page.

It’s a European problem.

And Hello Venezuela here we come.


21 posted on 03/21/2014 8:28:48 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: meatloaf

Give them guns? The EU and IMF are insisting the populace be disarmed before disbursing the promised funds.

Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns

In an effort to stabilize Ukraine and extend its authority, the interim government has set a deadline of Friday for turning in the illegal firearms that are now carried openly by so-called self-defense groups in Independence Square, the politically important plaza in the center of the capital.

The order was seconded on Thursday by the French ambassador to Ukraine, Alain Rémy, who said the disarmament of the militias that helped overthrow the former government is a central requirement for the European Union to begin disbursing financial aid, along with the government fighting corruption.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3135622/posts


22 posted on 03/21/2014 8:34:59 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: VitacoreVision

Public opinion never stops a Democrat President who wants HIS victory.

It didn’t stop Woodrow Wilson who got the US into WWI against the peoples’ wishes.

It didn’t stop FDR who got the US into WWII against the peoples’ wishes.

It didn’t stop Truman from getting the US into Korea.

It didn’t stop LBJ from concocting the Tonkin Gulf incident to further enmesh the US in Vietnam.

It won’t stop Obama from getting HIS chance at a VICTORY. With his poll numbers, he’d probably leap at any chance to grab at success from the jaws of defeat.


23 posted on 03/21/2014 8:35:33 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: VitacoreVision

We kept Russkie expansionism in check for half a century without ever directly engaging them in combat, and it served the best interests of this country helping to keep us prosperous, innovative, and strong in the process. With visionary and resolute leadership, we could do it again. At the current time, however, that is the one thing we lack in spades.


24 posted on 03/21/2014 8:36:17 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: VitacoreVision

Good. The U.S. citizenry does have some sense every once in awhile.


25 posted on 03/21/2014 10:49:20 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: dfwgator

I guess we just completely ignore that Ukraine sent combat troops to Iraq and Afghanistan for 5 years when we needed friends, and disarmed based on our promises. See my tag.


26 posted on 03/22/2014 3:45:42 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: dfwgator

False analogy.

Ukraine is not Russian. Language and customs are as distinct as Russia and Poland. In fact, Ukraine shares as much history with Poland as they do with Russia.

Ukraine was once ‘united’ to Poland and also to Russia in the sense of administrative control. But Ukraine declared independence from both long ago.

Your analogy is false because there are no ‘separatists’ in Ukraine. There are Russian groups inside the Crimea that are descended from Russians moved to Crimea under Soviet orders to maintain control of a warm water naval port.

A more apt analogy would be the USA arming separatists in Panama to take back the Canal Zone. But that’s not happening.

I know well about the distinctions because over the past 15 years I have had many Ukrainian immigrants working for me. Their language and history, including religious traditions are different from Russia’s. There are similarities but they are as different as Basque and Spaniards except that Ukraine has for much of its history been an independent nation with its own capital.

The reason that most Americans oppose counteraction or pushback to Putin is because they are ignorant of history. The very same attitudes existed when Germany took over the Sudentenland and then went on to annex all of Czechoslovakia. Everywhere there were German groups abroad, Germany invaded for purposes of protecting German groups abroad.

Putin is a thug who is following in Germany’s footsteps. He has designs to annex all of Ukraine. He has warned Estonia the same could be coming to them. He can and likely will warn Latvia of the same and may try again with Georgia. The Poles and Lithuanians are not far behind.

Putin must be pushed back on just as Bush pushed back on him on Georgia. But this will not happen under Obama.

Mark it here that in 5 years Americans will be grumbling about why nothing was done under Obama to pushback against Putin. And Obama will be branded as the worst president ever in foreign affairs,


27 posted on 03/22/2014 3:59:08 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: meatloaf

Supposedly that Memorandum would have had to be approved by Congress to be binding. It was not.


28 posted on 03/22/2014 4:15:15 AM PDT by dforest
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To: meatloaf

Political agreements are not binding.


29 posted on 03/22/2014 4:16:48 AM PDT by dforest
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To: listenhillary

Did you miss the part where I wrote the small arms were for the men Ukraine was calling up for the army? Criminals have always had access to guns in Ukraine. For the regular citizen it’s extremely difficult to own a gun legally with the possible exception of a shotgun.

Ukraine is an example of what our country would become if firearms were outlawed if certain repressive political groups had their way. Only criminals would have firearms.

To recap, the firearms requested by Ukraine were for the army. What’s the problem with that?


30 posted on 03/22/2014 4:58:01 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Lorianne

The firearms requested by Ukraine were for the men being called up for induction into the army. You are correct about the contest being lopsided. Russia holds all the cards with a better equipped and trained army. Do you prefer Ukrainian soldiers go to their deaths ill equipped? Do you think Russia will not attack because it wouldn’t be fair?

Do you think Russia will give up its plan to stage long range bombers in South America if we do not provide small arms for Ukraine’s new soldiers? Russia is playing us as a country and apparently you also. They’ve always had people willing to do their bidding in high office here.


31 posted on 03/22/2014 5:03:42 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: dfwgator

Apparently I’m getting forgetful in my old age. Where did I suggest putting our military forces in Ukraine? FWIW, that would not be wanted by Ukraine. The last thing they want is foreign military forces operating on their soil including ours. That was not their request.


32 posted on 03/22/2014 5:06:55 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: dfwgator

How are American butts on the line if we give Ukraine small arms such as rifles? Those could be flown into Poland, a NATO member, and transferred at the border into Ukrainian hands. Easy, peasy.


33 posted on 03/22/2014 5:09:08 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: dforest

That is correct. I gather you believe we should just cower in the face of Russian aggression. Sending small arms for Ukraine’s army isn’t putting boots on the ground.


34 posted on 03/22/2014 5:11:24 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: meatloaf

No, I do not want our troops fighting a foreign war with the clown in charge. He gets them killed. If you want to stop aggression, you will have to wait until 2017 and hope we get better than the clown we have now. Obama likes to ignite regions to rise up (Think V Nuland), install a puppet of the regimes choosing, and drive on down the road leaving a mess that invites aggression by stronger people.

See, now the EU, who is supposed to be Ukraines “good choice” is stripping their weapons from them in order to get help from EU. What a deal, scurrilous just like that agreement Clinton signed.

I bet we and Eu supplied those uprising weapons too.

What a mess.


35 posted on 03/22/2014 5:45:10 AM PDT by dforest
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I don’t know where you’re getting the idea that the EU is stripping weapons from Ukraine. This is critical to the world with regard to stymieing Russian aggression. Ukraine is trying to remove the weapons from the criminal element within its borders. Some believe the few incidents of sniping were instigated by Russia since those rifles are normally prohibited from private ownership. Ukraine has the kind of gun control some would like imposed here.

Even getting permission to buy a .22 in Ukraine is extremely difficult and expensive.


36 posted on 03/22/2014 5:51:33 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: meatloaf

I don’t know where you got so naive. LOL


37 posted on 03/22/2014 5:58:47 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

I take it you believe the Russian disinformation.


38 posted on 03/22/2014 6:14:10 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: meatloaf

I do know one thing. Criminals do not voluntarily turn in their weapons. Good guys don’t either if a tyrant is on their border. They would laugh at anyone who asked them to trade personal safety for “some help”.


39 posted on 03/22/2014 6:32:06 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

That’s exactly right. Same here. The disposed president starved the Ukrainian army for funding. He and his criminal buddies may have stolen $35 to $45 billion dollars from Ukraine. Russia is also run by a criminal syndicate. What happened in Ukraine is a threat by example to Putin.

Can’t let the little people get ideas.


40 posted on 03/22/2014 6:41:48 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: VitacoreVision

I’m one of them. This is the European Union’s mess. Let them take care of their own backyard.


41 posted on 03/22/2014 6:46:14 AM PDT by McGruff (They say the first casualty of war is truth)
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To: meatloaf

The American _resident starved the American military from adequate funding. The American _resident subjects American military to horrible and unwise ROE. The American _resident has gorren rid of good military leaders and replaced them with gay friendly puppets.

All this means is that America is no longer prepared to get WWIII going at this time.

Sad, but true.


42 posted on 03/22/2014 6:48:48 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

We don’t have to get WW III going. We do need to provide the minimal support Ukraine requested to defend themselves. I suspect we have access to lots of weaponry in Libya if it all hasn’t been shipped to Syria.

For some reason our SEALs were johnny on the spot when the Libyan government asked that an oil filled North Korean tanker be stopped. I think it’s time for a quid pro quo. Tell the Libyans to open the Gaddafi store for the Ukrainians.


43 posted on 03/22/2014 7:00:17 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: dfwgator

Bravo.


44 posted on 03/22/2014 7:03:53 AM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: MarMema

This is a Seinfeld poll and a Seinfeld story.

It’s a story about nothing.

No sane person is mentioning going to war with Russia.

The G8 should ban Russia and economic sanctions are adequate for the “Iraq of Eurasia”.


45 posted on 03/22/2014 7:17:00 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Lectio Divina...Adoration...Mass)
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To: MarMema

Take this for what it is worth. I hold all most everything I read on the internet as tinged with propaganda. So I must take some from both sides to get an idea of where the middle is. It was originally from Lew Rockwell’s site.

Kto Kogo?* The NATO Syndrome, the EU’s Eastern Partnership Program, and the EAU

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/march/21/kto-kogostar-the-nato-syndrome,-the-eu%E2%80%99s-eastern-partnership-program,-and-the-eau.aspx


46 posted on 03/22/2014 7:31:10 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: meatloaf
"Do you prefer Ukrainian soldiers go to their deaths ill equipped?"

See, this is what I mean?

WHY IS IT MY FAULT IF SOMEONE DIES.

Either way, the USA (and that means me) is going to be blamed for people dying. I'm sick and tired of being blamed for stuff like this. I didn't cause the situation and I'm not responsible and if I'm going to be blamed either way (which you know is true, the USA is always blamed) then I say NO NO NO to everything having to do with getting involved.

No, the deaths are not on my head and you can't guilt me into it. And shame on those who are trying to guilt our country into getting into yet another foreign conflict.

Also, WHY CAN'T THE EUROPEANS SEND THEM ARMS?

Why does it always have to be us?

47 posted on 03/22/2014 11:19:57 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Lorianne

What’s the problem? Would you rather they be given to the Syrian invaders that are killing Christians? FWIW, Christianity is the predominant religion in Ukraine.


48 posted on 03/22/2014 11:59:53 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: rbmillerjr
This is a Seinfeld poll and a Seinfeld story.

"Ukraine is game to you?"

49 posted on 03/22/2014 12:03:09 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: meatloaf

It is our business since we were signatories to the Budapest Memorandum.


Very much so.

Is it worth going to war over? No!


We’re at the very difficult “it’s been thoroughly botched and is too late to do it right; but need to not make it worse” stage.

Fixing this going forward probably requires removing the President, Vice President, and Secretary of State, and then giving the new team time to get in to gear.


50 posted on 03/22/2014 12:27:23 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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