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Mythical Climate Change Consensus Hits An Iceberg
Investors Business Daily ^ | March 21, 2014

Posted on 03/22/2014 9:47:13 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Junk Science: Climate change "deniers," as global warm-mongers call those who think empirical evidence is more reliable than computer models, may soon count among their number a 50,000-strong body of physicists.

At the risk of being accused of embracing what alarmists call the flat-earth view of climate change, the American Physical Society has appointed a balanced, six-person committee to review its stance on so-called climate change that includes three distinguished skeptics: Judith Curry, John Christy and Richard Lindzen. Their credentials are impressive.

Christy is director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama, Huntsville, and was a lead author of the 2001 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Curry is a professor and chairwoman of the School of Earth & Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.

Lindzen, an Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology at MIT from 1983 to 2013, is currently a distinguished senior fellow in the Center for the Study of Science at the Cato Institute.

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1 posted on 03/22/2014 9:47:13 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Bump for later


2 posted on 03/22/2014 9:53:44 AM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Not sure I trust these “highly credentialed” persons any more than any other contemporary “academicians.”

It simp0ly isn’t going to be possible to find “experts” today that haven’t spent the entirety of their learning lives steeping in the “educational” soup of Marxist indoctrination.


3 posted on 03/22/2014 9:58:47 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Unfortunately, the cash - grants and subsidies - is all in the junk sience community, so the money-chasers are all willingly co-opted and compromised.


4 posted on 03/22/2014 10:06:02 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
In an article on the website Hockey Schtick, APS panelist Christy says he analyzed the "tropical atmospheric temperature change in 102 of the latest climate-model simulations covering the past 35 years" and found that "102 model runs overshot the actual temperature change on average by a factor of three."

Wow what a strange coincidence.

How could 102 climate models all be so wrong? It’s almost like the programmers meant for it to happen.

But that couldn’t happen.

All of those scientist are well, scientist that care about the climate, and truth, and they mean well! They CARE!

/S.

5 posted on 03/22/2014 10:07:53 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
A question the American Physical Society panel will address is one we ask repeatedly: Why wasn't the current global temperature stasis, with no discernible change in the past 15 years, not predicted by any of the climate models used by the IPCC, part of the United Nations.

One thing to remember about science is that experiments must be repeatable. With respect to models, every succeeding model that fails to concur with preceding models either invalidates all the previous models or is itself invalid.

6 posted on 03/22/2014 10:10:21 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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So will this distinguished panel engage in REAL science and ensure:

1. Where are the scientific equipment calibration certification documents for each and every sensor used to derive said numbers over the time span of the collection sampling?

2. Are all the calibration certifications verifiable and not possible to be altered by any source once the certifications are sealed?

3. For the data from these calibrated sensors, demonstrate the chain of custody that is unalterable from the sensor, its time and date, to the output final documents (charts, graphs, tables). The data must be verifiable as unchanged, accurate and true by any and all that investigate the data. This includes surprise inspections.

If workers are required to work under these condition inside a nuke plant (and they are) why should data that supposedly affects the entire Earth in one way or another not be held to the same scrutiny?


7 posted on 03/22/2014 10:10:27 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I hope it sinks just as fast as the Titanic did!


8 posted on 03/22/2014 10:27:50 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This seems strange since the APS has been pushing the idea of global warming for years. I guess they’ve had some heads-ups from physicists who think it’s the bunk and maybe even cancelled their memberships, so now they’re going to take a stab at being evenhanded and consider the facts. We’ll wait and see if it comes to anything ... objective and rational.


9 posted on 03/22/2014 10:41:19 AM PDT by Toucan Dance
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Suggestions: www.friendsofscience.org and

www.thegwpf.org/epic-fail-73-climate-models-vs-observations.

Mathematical model-derived temp. estimates, while varying widely from each other, show on average a continually steeply rising atmos. temperature. OTOH, measured temperatures obtained from two types of sensing instruments (four radiosonde devices and two satellites) are in close agreement and show virtually no increase in temp. over the past two decades.


10 posted on 03/22/2014 10:51:30 AM PDT by Elsiejay (in)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Suggestions: www.friendsofscience.org and

www.thegwpf.org/epic-fail-73-climate-models-vs-observations.

Mathematical model-derived temp. estimates, while varying widely from each other, show on average a continually steeply rising atmos. temperature. OTOH, measured temperatures obtained from two types of sensing instruments (four radiosonde devices and two satellites) are in close agreement and show virtually no increase in temp. over the past two decades.


11 posted on 03/22/2014 10:58:16 AM PDT by Elsiejay (in)
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To: USCG SimTech

You’ve described my exact issues with the whole scam. The devil is in the data. And zealots are in charge of the collection, maintenance and distribution of the data.


12 posted on 03/22/2014 11:00:04 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The article got it wrong directly out of the gate, because Judith Curry is one of the Global Warming or Climate Change Alarmists rather than a Skeptic. She was one of the proponents of the false claim that Global Warming or Climate Change was causing more frequent hurricanes. Hurricanes have now reached a thrity year low in frequency despite the false claims of there being the greatest Global Warming in human history.


13 posted on 03/22/2014 11:10:11 AM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: Black Agnes

and the Lame stream media talking point is always “99 percent of the scientific community agrees that climate change is a global catastrophe waiting to happen unless we act now”


14 posted on 03/22/2014 11:26:25 AM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: BenLurkin

Lindzen and Curry have been rocks in defending scientific rationality in this whole “climate change” fracas, and they’ve taken plenty of verbal arrows for their efforts. Fortunately, they are so well-established in their fields that they haven’t been affected that much, and they have enough self-confidence that they haven’t shown any evidence of being intimidated.

As an example, here’s Lindzen’s opinion of the activities of the global warming alarmists, as given on the Larry King show: “I think it’s mainly just like little kids locking themselves in dark closets to see how much they can scare each other and themselves.”

This is really good news, because it puts the lie to the assertion that “the science is settled”. Well, according to the American Physical Society, one of the most prestigious of the scientific organizations, it certainly is not, or they wouldn’t be doing this.


15 posted on 03/22/2014 11:48:22 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: WhiskeyX

you should visit http://judithcurry.com/ aka Climate Etc.


16 posted on 03/22/2014 12:36:18 PM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There never WAS consensus! The “science” behind climate change is nothing more than made up JUNK SCIENCE!! First they claimed “global warming” and now with one of the coldest winters on record just past, the same Junk Scientists are rebranding it “climate change.” Any way you spin it, it’s still JUNK SCIENCE created from whole cloth by JUNK SCIENTIST LIARS.


17 posted on 03/22/2014 12:43:28 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: WhiskeyX
The conclusions from this study rely on a large number of assumptions, many of which only have limited support from theory and observations and hence are associated with substantial uncertainties. Personally, I take studies that project future tropical cyclone activity from climate models with a grain of salt.

Judith Curry July 2013

18 posted on 03/22/2014 12:44:40 PM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The American Physical Society had a "Come to Jesus" moment when one of their members who happended to have been awarded a Nobel Prize in Physics resigned because he strongly disagreed with the Societies position on Global Warming / Climate Change / Climate Disturbance or whatever its being called this week.
19 posted on 03/22/2014 1:56:37 PM PDT by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: jpsb

I’ve debated with Judith Curry since before she started her blog. She invited Steve McIntyre to participate in a university meeting with students to “bridge” the gap between the Skeptics represented by Steve McIntyre and the Alarmists among whom she included herself as a more neutral or lukewarm representative. Then she spoiled her self representation as a more neutral observer by going on the Weather Channel and adding much fuel to the fire against Skeptics with her adamant insistence hurricane frequency and intenstiy was being increased by Global Warming. I inadvertently saw the Weather Channel broadcast of her comments because I was eating breakfast at a hotel where they had the Weather Channel on at the time.

Make no mistake about it, Judith Curry is very much an Alarmist who is taking criticism from other Alarmists, because she has the temerity to question some of the more extreme or egregious misconduct of fellow Alarmists.


20 posted on 03/22/2014 2:40:52 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Clairity; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

CLIMATE SCAM PING


21 posted on 03/22/2014 5:27:46 PM PDT by raptor22 (Follow me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: BenLurkin

Georgia Tech and MIT are heavy hitters... their report might be interesting....


22 posted on 03/22/2014 7:50:34 PM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
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To: WhiskeyX

hmmm, ok thanks for the info.


23 posted on 03/23/2014 8:41:21 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

AGW is a way for the Administration to give taxpayer dollars to their supporters to start up green businesses. These supporters then turn around and send some of that money back to the democrats for campaigning. The Administration is doing everything they can to make this green expensive crap viable by regulating fossil fuels and subsidizing purchases. I see no end in sight.


24 posted on 03/23/2014 8:59:28 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: jpsb

Judith Curry is careful about how she comments on Global Warming and Climate Change (i.e. Anthropogenic Global Warming or AGW) in order to make her position appear to be more considerate and reasonable to a neutral or Skeptical audience. This approach has been described as the Lukewarmer position in the debate. nevertheless, Judith Curry has made it abundantly clear the she has concluded AGW is real and ongoing, and it is only a matter of determining how to communicate this conclusion to the Skeptical audience and gain scientific and political support commensurate to the potential consequences of AGW.
Although it is sometimes difficult to find a non-ambiguous quotation of her support for AGW, she is rather unequivocal about her acceptance of the AGW conjecture when she testified before the U.S. Congress:

Trenberth36 has argued that climate change is affecting all weather now, because the background conditions have changed as a result human-caused global warming. I don’t disagree with this statement; however there is no prima facie reason to think that global warming will make most extreme weather events more frequent or more severe.

STATEMENT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENT COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE AND TECHNOLOGY OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Hearing on “Policy Relevant Climate Issues in Context”; 25 April 2013; Judith A. Curry, Georgia Institute of Technology; p. 8.
curryja@eas.gatech.edu

Also see the following for the meeting I commented on earlier which was hosted in part by Judith Curry:

Off to Georgia Tech. Steve McIntyre. Feb 6, 2008 at 10:32 AM
http://climateaudit.org/2008/02/06/off-to-georgia-tech/

Climate Audit had more than one thread concerning this meeting, so your search for the other threads can give you some idea of how the meeting came off.


25 posted on 03/23/2014 9:29:18 AM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: painter

Bump


26 posted on 03/23/2014 3:18:40 PM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: raptor22

Thanks for the ping.

Here in Minneapolis, we have a forecast high of 26F and low of 8F for Tuesday.
According to the almanac, normal high this time of year is 53 F.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJUFTm6cJXM


27 posted on 03/23/2014 7:57:25 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

BTTT!


28 posted on 03/24/2014 8:49:40 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: USCG SimTech
The answer to questions 1,2, and 3: There are millions of very accurate climate sensors around the globe, their data can be easily verified, going back centuries, even thousands of years.

They are called "trees".

29 posted on 03/24/2014 8:56:24 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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Note: this topic was posted 3/22/2014. Thanks Oldeconomybuyer.

30 posted on 04/22/2014 5:33:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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