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Russia to Europe: We can do whatever we want
EU Observer ^ | 22.03.14 @ 18:32 | Valentina Pop

Posted on 03/22/2014 6:26:51 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Foreign policy debates are usually a polite affair. Ideas may clash, but the exchange rarely gets personal. This was not the case on Friday (21 March) during the “Brussels Forum”, an annual gathering of European and American politicians and experts, including the Russian ambassadors to the EU and NATO. […]

… NATO secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen cornered the Russian ambassador to NATO, asking why Russia is not respecting the international principle it subscribed to in 1999—that each country has a right to freely decide on its international alliances.

“This is true, but there is also the international law enshrining the principle of indivisibility of security. Nobody will improve their security at the expense of the security of others. NATO is free to take any decision. And Russia is free to take any decision to protect its legitimate security interest,” the Russian ambassador, Alexander Grushko, said.

“From the beginning, we said that if NATO will go on with enlargement, it will continue producing new dividing lines, moving dividing lines towards the Russian borders. We also said that in some cases, these dividing lines will cross inside countries. It’s up to you if you listen or not,” he added. …

(Excerpt) Read more at euobserver.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; estonia; europeanunion; eussr; nato; putinsbuttboys; russia; surrendermonkeys; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; waronterror; yuliatymoshenko
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1 posted on 03/22/2014 6:26:51 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

And it’s true.


2 posted on 03/22/2014 6:28:13 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy
And it’s true.

And of course that doesn't make it right.

3 posted on 03/22/2014 6:31:04 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Olog-hai
Russia just needs a little lebensraum, that's all. Just a little.
4 posted on 03/22/2014 6:31:32 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

A little piece of Poland,
A little piece of France,
A little piece of Austria
And Hungary, perchance!
A little slice of Turkey
And all that that entails,
And then a bit of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales!


5 posted on 03/22/2014 6:32:33 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ClearCase_guy
It is totally true. Our worthless un-military president has assured the world that we are no longer capable of deterring anyone from anything.

Our nation has gone from being a super power to being irrelevant in international politics. All during the very long years of the Obama presidency.

We may never recover our position in the world thanks to this useless excuse of a president.

6 posted on 03/22/2014 6:33:40 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Olog-hai. G’night all.


7 posted on 03/22/2014 6:34:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: FreeReign
Of course. I am not a Putin defender.

But I do like to point out that the West has put itself in a position of great weakness. Should we all attack Russia? Probably not. But the point is -- we don't really have the option of doing anything, even if we wanted to. We made our decision before the question was asked -- we decided to be weak and easy to walk over because we rejected God and Freedom. Now our civilization is a shell of what it once was.

8 posted on 03/22/2014 6:34:16 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Olog-hai
Russia to Europe: We can do whatever we want

Isn't that exactly what obammy tells us when we protest his EO's?

9 posted on 03/22/2014 6:37:31 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Olog-hai

Putin to Obama, “I Won.”


10 posted on 03/22/2014 6:38:42 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ClearCase_guy

What do we have to offer the world today?

Think about that question, compared to when Reagan was in office.


11 posted on 03/22/2014 6:39:32 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ClearCase_guy

Couldn’t agree with you more. If western civilization wants to contracept, abort, homosexualize and euthanize itself out of its existence then so be it. Others will take our place.


12 posted on 03/22/2014 6:39:32 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: Olog-hai

Europe got what it wished for - a weak America under obama.


13 posted on 03/22/2014 6:47:31 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The West made an implied promise to Russia that it would dissolve the blocs system of the Cold War. Instead, Russians have watched the West steadily encroach on its borders. And if the West is free to do whatever it wants, of course the Russians are entitled to do the same. Brussels can’t have it both ways. If there is to be a common European home - the Cold War bloc system will have to be dismantled. But the West is proceeding in its own way and so will Russia. And this is not due to Putin. No Russian leader will ever accept NATO encirclement.


14 posted on 03/22/2014 6:48:43 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: dfwgator

What is Russian for Check and Checkmate LOL!


15 posted on 03/22/2014 6:49:44 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Kirkwood

Absolutely! That fact cannot be overstated.


16 posted on 03/22/2014 6:50:36 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: SevenofNine

Do Svidanya. ;)


17 posted on 03/22/2014 6:51:06 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ClearCase_guy

Reverse the defense cuts Hagel announced two days before the Russians invaded Ukraine. That’s where you start.


18 posted on 03/22/2014 6:51:26 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: ClearCase_guy

We overextended ourselves trying to butt into intra-Arab disputes.


19 posted on 03/22/2014 6:52:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Olog-hai

All the Russian Ambassador had to say was “Tunisia... Libya..., Egypt..., Kosovo...”


20 posted on 03/22/2014 6:55:45 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

I think he did. The West treats Russia like an errant child that must be spanked. Of course despite this, the path of dialogue must be kept open.

No one in Europe is looking for war. Yet national differences are not so easily reconciled. For some of them no solution exists. This too is a fact of life.


21 posted on 03/22/2014 7:00:21 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Olog-hai

Wrong Headline: Russia to World - We will do anything that we want! Big difference... The World is asleep.


22 posted on 03/22/2014 7:01:45 PM PDT by Deagle (ues)
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To: goldstategop

Despite the wishes of the “One Worlders” and “Citizens of the World”, Nationalism is not going to go away.


23 posted on 03/22/2014 7:03:23 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: gusopol3

That would have no bearing. The first black Jimma is the problem.


24 posted on 03/22/2014 7:05:31 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Olog-hai

Absolutely true.

We allowed this vacuum in the first place, and it’s completely natural and expected for Putin to take advantage of it. America and the West consciously embraced this weakness, just as it has consciously embraced moral and cultural degeneracy.

America no longer even offers a positive counterbalance to the rest of the globe. Our leaders and our culture used to promote freedom and democracy. Now we just promote deviancy and homosex.


25 posted on 03/22/2014 7:05:32 PM PDT by greene66
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To: Olog-hai

Russia suffers from an inferiority complex, someone observed yesterday, and to prove its own worth to itself it must attack others. It’s always been this way.


26 posted on 03/22/2014 7:05:52 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: FreeReign

Putin is becoming the patron saint of the disgruntled.


27 posted on 03/22/2014 7:06:08 PM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: dfwgator

Exactly. We saw this on display Tuesday in Russia. Russians have national feelings while the West has banned them in the name of European unity. Russia is not going to give up Crimea to mollify the EU and Washington.


28 posted on 03/22/2014 7:06:39 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: dfwgator

Oh okay LOL!


29 posted on 03/22/2014 7:06:44 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Olog-hai

Yep. Case closed.


30 posted on 03/22/2014 7:07:43 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: goldstategop
Here are the facts.

Once both sides know for 100% sure they neither will actually use nuclear weapons... those weapons become completely irrelevant. And without a nuclear deterrent... there is NOTHING the west can do to stop Russia.

Europe long ago gutted it military to prop up their failing welfare systems, depending on the US nuclear deterrent, which is no longer a deterrent.

Russia will now take whatever it wishes, and China next, while we will sit here and be unable to do anything. But on the bright side, we will have Obamacare!

*sigh*

31 posted on 03/22/2014 7:09:28 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Olog-hai

Europe to Russia: We noticed


32 posted on 03/22/2014 7:10:15 PM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Olog-hai
Russia to Europe: We can do whatever we want

Stairway to Crimea?

33 posted on 03/22/2014 7:10:49 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Kirkwood

Europe got what it wished for - a weak America under obama.


And that’s exactly what “Obama” and his handlers want, too.


34 posted on 03/22/2014 7:11:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: JPX2011

If western civilization wants to contracept, abort, homosexualize and euthanize itself out of its existence then so be it. Others will take our place.


And that’s the truth. Oh, and also dope itself stupid.


35 posted on 03/22/2014 7:12:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

China is the dog who hasn’t quite barked yet. Putin makes his move, and China watches us. We have been weighed in the balance and found wanting and now the two superpowers in the world know that they will be unopposed. I expect something to happen in Asia before too long.


36 posted on 03/22/2014 7:12:54 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Olog-hai
Vlad's known from the very beginning that Europe's *unable* to stop him and that Osama Obama’s *unwilling* to do so.
37 posted on 03/22/2014 7:25:04 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Olog-hai
Russia to Europe: We can do whatever we want,...

and we realize that Europe used to be able to do anything it wanted, but times change and we kept notes.

38 posted on 03/22/2014 7:30:21 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’m sure the Russians noticed when Europe attacked Libya they ran out of bombs in about 24 hours.


39 posted on 03/22/2014 7:31:35 PM PDT by DManA
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To: little jeremiah

For decades now, the left has ingrained the one world kumbaya BS into western minds. Not everyone in the world bought into that fantasy. Some people in the world are happy with who and what they are and through their eyes we are insane.

The problem is that the left was so effective that even some conservative Americans are ‘shocked’ when one of those countries says “Sorry, but THIS is how the world worked for 10,000 years...shove your Utopia”.

I suppose being reminded of eternal truths sucks when one has bought the BS. But it’s a harsh world and even harsher to those who forget or ignore the lessons of history.


40 posted on 03/22/2014 7:34:34 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Olog-hai

And when we finally peel back the layers, we will see that Obama is not against Putin, he is aiding Putin.

All about “flexibility”.


41 posted on 03/22/2014 7:34:49 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: DManA
Yup. Two important lessons from that:

1) Europe's stockpiles are low.
2) Europe can't plan a military operation at all.

Napoleon said that an army marches on its stomach. What he meant was that logistics are the key to any large military endeavor. If you run out of bombs in 24 hrs, then you have no handle on logistics.

42 posted on 03/22/2014 7:34:54 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: SunkenCiv

Night-night Civ...


43 posted on 03/22/2014 7:41:10 PM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
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To: Olog-hai

Europeans? Welfare elitists who brought in tons of cheap Arab labor? Sorry, they were worth dying for decades ago... not anymore.


44 posted on 03/22/2014 7:42:42 PM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
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To: Olog-hai
NATO secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen cornered the Russian ambassador to NATO, asking why Russia is not respecting the international principle it subscribed to in 1999—that each country has a right to freely decide on its international alliances.

Except Serbia.

45 posted on 03/22/2014 8:01:31 PM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Except for invading Tibet.


46 posted on 03/22/2014 8:02:50 PM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: Olog-hai

Blow IMO those pipelines.


47 posted on 03/22/2014 8:13:10 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Might be good. Because after Europe freezes in winter/burns in supper for a couple years thanks to their green policies, they may abandon their love of unicorns. And the “EU” And the “UN”

Meanwhile Russia sells their gas to China and both grow stronger for it. So I don’t think you get the result you intended.


48 posted on 03/22/2014 8:20:29 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Olog-hai

I find comfort in the knowledge of Gods word, the rapture of his church, his eternal love of his chosen people, the absolute and total defeat of their enemies and a new heaven and earth that is without sin and will exist under his grace without an ending.


49 posted on 03/22/2014 8:20:37 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: Norm Lenhart

Edit...burns in SUMMER...

Hard to burn supper with nothing to burn it with.


50 posted on 03/22/2014 8:21:22 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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