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To: NFHale
Lets take a look at Lexington, Concord, Bunker Hill, ..., and the revolutionary war.

I would say that a declaration of independence is certainly calling for a finish to the status quo government.

"For my own part I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty towards the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings."

"We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation?"

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth -- to know the worst and to provide for it. I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House?"

..

"Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament."

"..In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope."

Enjoy..

81 posted on 03/25/2014 9:20:20 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: ForYourChildren; Old Sarge; wku man
"..."..In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope."

I don't indulge "the fond hope of peace and reconciliation" at all. And I know Patrick Henry's Saint John's speech very well.

I know there is no longer any coexistence with the other side; they're following Marx and HIS definition of peace - "The absence of opposition to OUR goals."

They will keep pushing until they get what they want - either by force of law, or outright lethal coercion.

My point, over and over again, it seems, is that some people insist on offering nothing but complaining and whining about how "finished" we are, instead of offering viable solutions and actionable plans - and THAT does NOTHING to make it better; all it does is let the other side know that SOME of us feel like we're on the ropes, and that the Leftards have done their psyops job well.

So, again, if that's where you stand on it - you're not helping. You're being part of the disease.

If you have solutions, then that would be part of the cure. Let's commiserate and figure out how.

AND - if your cure is what we ALL already know it will probably be, then once again, complaining about how "it's OVER! We're FINISHED!!!" ad infinitum, ad nauseaum, does nothing to bolster your potential allies' faith in you.

I'm not sure how to be ANY clearer than that.

82 posted on 03/25/2014 9:34:19 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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