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Ukraine’s enduring Holodomor horror, when millions starved in the 1930s
euronews ^ | November 22, 2013 | euronews

Posted on 03/25/2014 9:48:05 PM PDT by No One Special

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1 posted on 03/25/2014 9:48:05 PM PDT by No One Special
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2 posted on 03/25/2014 9:51:31 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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If this had been done by a regime labeled ‘right wing” by the Left, we would never hear the end of it’s horrors, but, alas.


3 posted on 03/25/2014 9:55:32 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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***She said: “The Bolsheviks had special brigades of seven men that would sweep through the villages in wagons and confiscate any hidden beans, grain or other food from the farmers’ homes.” ***

Reminds me of what happened to my Sister-in-law’s husband’s family who operated a ranch in West Texas. During WWII they provided all food for themselves and the ranch hands, but one day someone snitched, said they were HOARDING, and all their foods were confiscated.

How did they survive? They had another hidden food cellar out in the hills.


4 posted on 03/25/2014 9:58:13 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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nowadays the left claim the right is worse than stalin for not providing state funded abortion and contraceptives.


5 posted on 03/25/2014 10:03:37 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Gee, I learned in college that Stalin starved at least 15 million in Ukraine and surrounding areas.

And, Hitler was responsible for the deaths of at least 40 million people.

I'm Left wondering what the point of the article is.

Historical information?

6 posted on 03/25/2014 10:08:21 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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A remnant of reporting the episode is the word kulacks which can be found in todays dictionaries. Thank you New York Times; Durante.

Which is how Stalin described those who were against his collectization pogrom. It meant “fist” and described as the fist held against the throats of the proletariat. Because they were “hoarding” food.


7 posted on 03/25/2014 10:21:40 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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Yes, it means fist but I heard it was in reference to the closed fist of someone who would not share their produce. But who knows? I do not know a word of Russian.


8 posted on 03/25/2014 10:40:49 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The year we diplomatically recognized was 1933 which was FDR’s first term. The Holodomor dated from 1932 to 1933. I suppose he might have been unaware.


9 posted on 03/25/2014 10:45:45 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

A squad of 7 men. An AK or an AR with one mag in a kulaks home.

That’s all that was needed. NKVD men, gestapo, pol pots boys,, they all deserved a surprise mad minute.


10 posted on 03/25/2014 10:46:01 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Mariner
Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. In the first stage of life the mind is frivolous and easily distracted; it misses progress by failing in consecutiveness and persistence. This is the condition of children and barbarians.
--George Santayna
The Life of Reason (1905-1906)
Vol. I, Reason in Common Sense
11 posted on 03/25/2014 10:53:39 PM PDT by No One Special
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The cruelty Russian Tsars, Soviet rulers, and Putin inflict on Ukraine while claiming that its their country is amazing. It’s regrettable that these crimes are less known and for some reason get little sympathy. Maybe we just have such low expectations of people like Putin, though it seems he does have a fan club here. But in the case of Putin fans his being willing to inflict more suffering on a nation that only wants to be free of his interference and his cronies is seen as yet another reason for Putin to lash out at them. Putin is worth $75 billion. He is rich enough to help them if he wanted to do something to win them over.


12 posted on 03/25/2014 11:13:30 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom.)
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Remember this was a time when Liberals were denying anything was wrong with Russia or with its recaptured satellites. You probably know about the New York Times reporter Walter Duranty who knew full well about Stalin’s crimes and still covered them up. He was like many Putinistas are today.


13 posted on 03/25/2014 11:15:54 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom.)
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“It’s regrettable that these crimes are less known and for some reason get little sympathy.”

It’s less known because at the time these events were happening, “Socialism” and it’s propaganda were all the rage among the “enlightened” liberals of the Western Press.

The US Government, CPUSA and the unions of the 30’s were riddled with Soviet agents and sympathizers who immediately quashed any suggestions that Socialism was anything but the best thing ever. many in the media sympathized with the Soviet Union, (and even Nazism).

Kinda like what is happening in the US now.


14 posted on 03/25/2014 11:40:34 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
"During WWII they provided all food for themselves and the ranch hands, but one day someone snitched, said they were HOARDING, and all their foods were confiscated.

How did they survive? They had another hidden food cellar out in the hills."

If they had TWO STASHES, and had enough to survive after one was confiscated...how many GIs were deprived of food? How many hard working Americans,including kids were deprived of rations? Remember Victory Gardens... oops guess they had a "stash" garden in Texas.

Which was worse, Hoarding as in TWO stashes or the Black Market trafficking? Our men were at war and we were deprived. Sounds like things were not so patriotic in parts of this country even then.. Were they Dems? All JMO

15 posted on 03/26/2014 12:10:42 AM PDT by Tuketu (The Dim Platform is splinters bound by crazy glue., The Tea Party is the solvent)
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I was raised up in a poor family , we did not hoard food and we did not starve.

The only thing i remember having food stamps for was sugar, there may have been other things but the only thing i was interested in was sugar because that meant candy.

The only thing i worried about is if that S.O.B. could come over here and exterminate me.


16 posted on 03/26/2014 1:24:46 AM PDT by ravenwolf (ost void of pend)
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Most of the Putinistas I have seen on this forum are ideologues. They will not change until they recognize that fact. I simply ignore them because they are not reachable thru dialogue.


17 posted on 03/26/2014 2:04:35 AM PDT by No One Special
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"...There is, effectively, an overstating of the number of victims which doesn’t help anyone. The lowest we can give for the Holodomor is 2,000,000. If we add those who died of illness, of famine-induced weakness, add the birth deficit, we get a figure of several million – but we don’t get the 10,000,000 that we sometimes hear, and maybe not even the 6,000,000 that is the standard figure for the Holocaust, to which some seek to compare the Holodomor...."

Ah. So it was only TWO million that Stalin starved to death. Boy, does that ever make me feel so much more positive about the Soviets.

There were people like Owen Lattimore, that communist turncoat scumbag POS who traveled with Vice President Wallace and his delegates when they stayed 25 days in Siberia and were given a tour of the Soviet Union's Magadan concentration camp at Kolyma. In a travelogue for National Geographic, Lattimore described what little he saw as a combination of the Hudson's Bay Company and the TVA, remarking on how strong and well-fed the inmates were and ascribing to camp commandant Ivan Nikishov 'a trained and sensitive interest in art and music and also a deep sense of civic responsibility.

Liberals are complicit in the death of the millions in the Soviet Union, and the tens of millions who were murdered in China during "The Great Leap". Add that to the millions more who have died around the world since the early Seventies when DDT was banned due to malaria and other insect-borne diseases.

What a blasphemous, bloodthirsty, stench of a curse liberalism is on humanity.

18 posted on 03/26/2014 2:22:48 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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The point is to keep Holocost and Holodomor deniers at bay. There are those who publicly deny either ever happened


19 posted on 03/26/2014 2:30:19 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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A lot of people died because people nade bad mistakes back then. We basically gave Stalin the bomb and then we had the Korean war. Doubt it would have happened if we didn’t give him the secret.


20 posted on 03/26/2014 2:57:43 AM PDT by No One Special
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