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Ukraine’s enduring Holodomor horror, when millions starved in the 1930s
euronews ^ | November 22, 2013 | euronews

Posted on 03/25/2014 9:48:05 PM PDT by No One Special

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To: Jimmy Valentine

I wonder if Pooty has an official position on the Holodomor?


21 posted on 03/26/2014 2:59:57 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

Bump


22 posted on 03/26/2014 3:35:38 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: No One Special

Interesting timing. The media had NO PROBLEM keeping this story, essentially, under wraps for DECADES as it made a Communist (Stalin) look bad. But now that they’re mad at Russia, they finally get around to doing a story on it. NEVER mentioned when I went to public school...in fact, nothing bad about the Soviet Union was EVER mentioned, even though they were the biggest threat to my existence (during the Cold War).

(and yes, I’ve read books on this subject...I know it’s out there, but how many Americans know it)


23 posted on 03/26/2014 4:47:07 AM PDT by BobL (To us it's a game, to them it's personal - therefore they win.)
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To: Tuketu; Ruy Dias de Bivar

Lessons learned from Tuketu’s post:

1. The “We’re entitled to your stuff” crowd is, was, & will always be with us. Whenever you see the word “deprived”, you know somebody is pissed you have something they don’t, and will use fed.gov to steal it.

2. The excuses remain the same: hard-working Americans, the chilluns’, the troopies, patriotism (which I guess covers all the freeloaders, too). Fair Share Crowd PING applies here.

3. That ensuring your own survial could be akin to, or worse than profiteering.

4. Caching and OPSEC should be higher on everyone’s priority lists.

5. It always seems to boil down to individual -vs- collective, so plan accordingly and see #4.

JMO,

LB


24 posted on 03/26/2014 6:17:52 AM PDT by LadyBuck (Some day very soon, Life's little Twinkie gauge is gonna go......empty.)
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To: Tuketu

They had just come out of a depression and drought. They learned the value of two cellars. The food was stuff they had canned several years before.


25 posted on 03/26/2014 6:30:26 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Tuketu

***how many GIs were deprived of food? ***

What is really interesting is the SAME MAN who confiscated the home canned food was the same government agent who, ten years earlier, had bought up all the cattle he could get, dug a hole and shot them, then buried them.


26 posted on 03/26/2014 6:32:56 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: mosesdapoet
Thank you New York Times; Durante.

The New York Times has been the enemy of humanity for as long as it has existed.

27 posted on 03/26/2014 6:35:54 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Tuketu
If they had TWO STASHES, and had enough to survive after one was confiscated...how many GIs were deprived of food?

None. We prosecuted WWII with no starvation amongst our troops.

28 posted on 03/26/2014 6:37:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Tuketu

*** Our men were at war and we were deprived.***

No they weren’t. The men going into landing craft were fed steak before, and there was enough meat on hand that one sailor grabbed a big raw roast from the kitchen and tried to catch a shark.

The people back home were trying to rebuild their herds after the government slaughtered and buried thousands of cattle years before, and all farmers tried to keep two years supply in case of a crop failure.


29 posted on 03/26/2014 6:39:54 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: No One Special

One of my favorite cartoons from WWII is by Bill Mauldin. Russians with American supplies are trying to figure what we sent them by looking in a Russian/American dictionary for words like...SPAM....MAZOLA.


30 posted on 03/26/2014 6:42:41 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
The point is to keep Holocost and Holodomor deniers at bay. There are those who publicly deny either ever happened

And let's not forget the 1915-1918 Armenian Genocide of 1.5 million Armenian Christians by the Muslim Turks, without worldwide outrage. I've seen articles speculating that this showed Stalin and Hitler that they could do something similar without consequence.

31 posted on 03/26/2014 7:08:40 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: No One Special

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Ukraine’s enduring Holodomor horror, when millions starved in the 1930s, No One Special wrote: (Concerning my reference to the use of the word kulak) Yes, it means fist but I heard it was in reference to the closed fist of someone who would not share their produce

The way I saw it referenced was a fist wrapped around the throats. BTW Websters New World Dictionary 1979 edition shows it as Russian of Estonian orig) p416)
That dictionary also describes it as a “well to do farmer” not as a derogatory reference which is a revisionist remnant of the Durante NYT influence


32 posted on 03/26/2014 9:14:07 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: No One Special

Yes. He doesn’t want to hear about it. Ukraine held a commemoration of it and the Ruskies went ape


33 posted on 03/26/2014 11:20:02 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

You cite ONE possible example but why were WE ON RATIONS? Still a blackmarket deal IMHO


34 posted on 03/27/2014 4:45:03 PM PDT by Tuketu (The Dim Platform is splinters bound by crazy glue., The Tea Party is the solvent)
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