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Ex-generals: Bring back conscription (Germany)
TheLocal.de ^ | 25 Mar 2014 10:29 GMT+01:00

Posted on 03/26/2014 9:05:55 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Mounting tension in the Crimea is prompting calls for compulsory military service to be reintroduced in Germany.

A number of German ex-generals have raised fears over the nation’s military strength should it be drawn into a NATO-led conflict.

“We need compulsory military service. There is no other way for Germany to guarantee national defense within the [NATO] mutual defense alliance,” retired NATO general Egon Ramms told Bild newspaper. “[It certainly can’t be done] on a voluntary basis.”

Ramms was commander of the Allied Joint Forces Command between 2007 and 2010, one of the highest-ranking positions in the NATO alliance. …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: conscription; crimea; draft; europeanunion; eussr; germany; nato; putin; ukraine
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1 posted on 03/26/2014 9:05:55 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I have mixed feelings about this.


2 posted on 03/26/2014 9:07:08 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Olog-hai
Germany and Russia will do a deal, and they will do it soon.

The alternative is unthinkable.

3 posted on 03/26/2014 9:08:45 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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Will it be called Molotov-Ribbentrop?


4 posted on 03/26/2014 9:09:34 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I remember the German draftees at Graf in 1969. I think they had a 1 year term of service. The one thing I remember was that they still wore the traditional “knoebelbecher” boots.


5 posted on 03/26/2014 9:11:14 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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"We need compulsory military service. There is no other way for Germany to guarantee national defense..." Huuhhh, what could go wrong?!?
6 posted on 03/26/2014 9:12:47 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Olog-hai

Years ago when I was in Europe for some military meetings, I had a German officer joke to me that they had to do a TDY to France every few decades.


7 posted on 03/26/2014 9:13:02 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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“Don’t mention the war.”


8 posted on 03/26/2014 9:13:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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“Don’t mention the war.”

Hahaha, yeah...

Q: “Hey, I notice in the German travel brochure that there is no mention of the war between 1939 and 1945, what is the deal.”

German tour guide: “We were all on vacation.”

Q: “No I’m pretty sure Germany invaded Poland”

German tour guide: “No, we were all on vacation, punch was served.”


9 posted on 03/26/2014 9:17:07 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Olog-hai
One of Putin's advisers has already said "it's never too late to undo a mistake", meaning, Lwow back to Poland. He did not mention (yet) Grodno, Brest, and Wilno, but "Belarus" will do what they are told and Lithuania may be a target.

If separating Western Ukraine (Galicia) makes the rest more digestible, it's very smart troublemaking.

And if undoing Stalin's territorial mistakes is suddenly on the table, then, boy, do Putin and Merkel have a lot to talk about.

10 posted on 03/26/2014 9:18:15 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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Putin’s not the talking type, as we can see.


11 posted on 03/26/2014 9:19:19 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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“And if undoing Stalin’s territorial mistakes is suddenly on the table, then, boy, do Putin and Merkel have a lot to talk about.
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Kaliningrad comes to mind for some inexplicable reason....


12 posted on 03/26/2014 9:20:56 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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And if undoing Stalin's territorial mistakes is suddenly on the table, then, boy, do Putin and Merkel have a lot to talk about.

Party like it's 1795, will Austria and Hungary reunite? And how 'bout that reunion tour of Suleiman and the Ottomans?

13 posted on 03/26/2014 9:21:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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The latter seems to be underway in Iran, Turkey et al.


14 posted on 03/26/2014 9:25:54 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: dfwgator

BTW, Austria and Hungary have been reunited for ten years under the European Union aegis.


15 posted on 03/26/2014 9:27:09 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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The German military IS soft, a total nonentity now.
Their military reflects their people.

The Germans like their food, their STUFF, food, peace, food, travel and freedom to travel, food, great cars/roads, food, beer, food.

Did I mention FOOD?

16 posted on 03/26/2014 9:28:16 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Jim Noble

How about Kaliningrad back to Germany?


17 posted on 03/26/2014 9:36:52 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: areukiddingme1
"Don’t mention the war.” Hahaha, yeah... Q: “Hey, I notice in the German travel brochure that there is no mention of the war between 1939 and 1945, what is the deal.” German tour guide: “We were all on vacation.” Q: “No I’m pretty sure Germany invaded Poland” German tour guide: “No, we were all on vacation, punch was served.”

I visited Austria a while back. BEAUTIFUL country, VERY different from Germany!
The Austrian tour guide (woman) laughingly said: "Haha, we keep trying to convince the world that Hitler was German and Beethoven was Austrian. Hahaha (or Jajaja)."

Hitler learned his virulent anti-Semitism in his first 20 (or so) years in Austria and thus arrived in Germany already inculcated with anti-Semitism.
And no, the Austrians and Germans are NOT the same.

18 posted on 03/26/2014 9:38:51 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: dfwgator
I have mixed feelings about this.

I doubt if many people *don't* have mixed feelings about that. However, if the Germans followed the example of the Swiss, it might be a less volatile situation than outright conscription for a year or more.

19 posted on 03/26/2014 9:39:46 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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Not to mention older people in eastern half of Germany are still thinking in Russian and consider Karl Marx the single greatest German. Not to mention that their grandchildren are way more leftist than their commie grandparents and taunt their commie old with a faul word ‘conservatives’.


20 posted on 03/26/2014 9:44:28 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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