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Sailors leaving Navy over stress on social issues, Top Gun instructor says
Washington Times ^ | 3/25/2014

Posted on 03/26/2014 4:47:55 PM PDT by Altura Ct.

A Navy F-18 fighter pilot and former Top Gun instructor is publicly warning admirals that retention is beginning to suffer from the military’s relentless social conditioning programs.

Cmdr. Guy Snodgrass, until recently a Pentagon speech writer for the chief of naval operations, Adm. Jonathan Greenert, said sailors are becoming fed-up with the constant emphasis on social issues — an apparent reference to gays in the military, women in combat and ending sexual harassment.

“Sailors continue to cite the over-focus on social issues by senior leadership, above and beyond discussions on war fighting — a fact that demoralizes junior and mid-grade officers alike,” Cmdr. Snodgrass wrote this month on the U.S. Naval Institute website, an independent forum for active and retired sailors and Marines.

It is a remarkably frank assessment from an upwardly mobile fighter pilot who is due to become the executive officer of a F-18 unit in Japan.

He says one troubling sign already has emerged: a drop in applications to the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis last year.

“The U.S. Navy has a looming officer retention problem,” Cmdr. Snodgrass writes, adding there is an “erosion of trust in senior leadership.”

He says retention racked up its “worst year in history” for the special warfare community, including Navy SEALs, with a record number of lieutenants declining to stay.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


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In a related blast from the past:

Casey said: “I think that’s something that we have to look at on an individual basis. But I think we as an Army have to be broad enough to bring in people from all walks of life.”

The bottom line is the military benefits from diversity, he said.

“Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse,” Casey said.

1 posted on 03/26/2014 4:47:55 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

Obama’s one success story...


2 posted on 03/26/2014 4:49:26 PM PDT by moovova (The British equate aborted baby bodies to BTUs.)
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To: moovova

Just as Obama planned. He and Valerie knew exactly what would happen. Also helps to dump the top brass.


3 posted on 03/26/2014 4:50:25 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Altura Ct.
This will be happening to ALL of our once fine military!!

Who wants to fight for this crap anymore....all the country has come to is ABORTIONS and GAY SEX!

4 posted on 03/26/2014 4:50:25 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Who in their right mind would accept Bammy as their Commander in Chief?


5 posted on 03/26/2014 4:50:31 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: moovova

Yep, another feather in Obama’s cap.


6 posted on 03/26/2014 4:50:42 PM PDT by trubolotta
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To: Altura Ct.

I’d be getting out, too, and heading for some commercial right seat.


7 posted on 03/26/2014 4:51:28 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Altura Ct.

Mission accomplished.


8 posted on 03/26/2014 4:52:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Altura Ct.

The leftist and emasculating social engineering of everything that made and preserved this country.

Hey, Obama, you got your wet dream. You POS.


9 posted on 03/26/2014 4:52:49 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Altura Ct.

The next CIC needs to order dishonorable discharges for ever fag and lesbo in the military and put women in their place to restore our military might.


10 posted on 03/26/2014 4:55:01 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: Altura Ct.
Deja vu 1976-1980.
11 posted on 03/26/2014 4:56:34 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: grobdriver

USAF is bombarded with the crap too. Even DOD civilians have to attend the classes. It used to be optional and only mandatory for supervisors who had active duty in their sections.

I haven’t seen any homo related training yet. Will advise if I do.


12 posted on 03/26/2014 4:56:39 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: ilovesarah2012
Just as Obama planned. He and Valerie knew exactly what would happen. Also helps to dump the top brass.

Very perceptive.

This then strengthens the argument for a civilian force equal to the military, like Obozo told us back in 2008.

13 posted on 03/26/2014 4:57:26 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Altura Ct.
You call me old fashioned, but I want an American military that can go out, kick ass and come home safe! I'm not real enthusiastic about having a military that's known for it's empathy. Empathy won't keep you alive when someone wants to kill you.

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

More Patton, less Dr. Spock!

14 posted on 03/26/2014 4:57:50 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Altura Ct.

UNEXPECTED! /sarc


15 posted on 03/26/2014 4:58:11 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: Altura Ct.
It is sad. My son, born and raised in a small rural town planned on making a career in the Navy. He was very disalusioned by the “diversity,” the Navy was full of gang bangers, thieves and trouble makers. He left after four years and is now in his final year of college.
16 posted on 03/26/2014 5:01:47 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: Altura Ct.

Putin smiles.


17 posted on 03/26/2014 5:02:27 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Altura Ct.

The two Fortune 500 companies I worked for had diversity campaign posters. One read, “Strength and joy through diversity.” An in-house magazine ran a multi-page article about the communist “labor hero” Eugene V. Debs. A document we had to sign said we could not discuss anything “inappropriate.” I barely avoided being written up for a conversation with a machinist who made his own guns for a conversation at lunch. It was overheard and the HR manager took offense.

All of this is going on because the military contracts require diversity and they’ve pretty well defined it as something similar to living and working as a Soviet communist who is afraid to speak any of their own thoughts.

Oh, my last company forbade any mention of religion under any context. Several people kept a tiny cross on their desk which I interpreted as a silent protest.


18 posted on 03/26/2014 5:02:44 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Altura Ct.

“Come on Sailor, suck it up,” just doesn’t have the same meaning as in my day ...


19 posted on 03/26/2014 5:03:56 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Decrimminalize Tax Evasion)
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To: Altura Ct.
... the military benefits from diversity,...

The Balkans have lots of diversity.

Doesn't benefit them at all.

20 posted on 03/26/2014 5:03:59 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: USAF80
I haven’t seen any homo related training yet.

Surprising.
It's just a matter of time.

21 posted on 03/26/2014 5:04:22 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Altura Ct.

Doubly bad for retention of pilots in the military is that the demand for air transport pilots is at record levels worldwide with tremendous numbers projected for the next 20 years.


22 posted on 03/26/2014 5:05:58 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Altura Ct.
What's Russia or China going to do with all of our 100% female and gay male military after they take custody of all of them after their surrender? Isn't that where this is going?

I blame the military top brass and SEALs for not remedying this problem 5 years ago.

23 posted on 03/26/2014 5:06:17 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: vetvetdoug
Deja vu 1976-1980.

Yes, I saw it firsthand.

24 posted on 03/26/2014 5:09:06 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: grobdriver
I’d be getting out, too, and heading for some commercial right seat.

Not as easy as you might think. Entry level pay is not very good, and major airlines won't be hiring in large numbers for a couple more years.

25 posted on 03/26/2014 5:10:34 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Paladin2

Who would want to work in an environment where your competency is secondary to you PCness.


26 posted on 03/26/2014 5:12:57 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Ann Archy

That’s all liberals care about. Plus marijuana, of course.

No wonder our welfare rate is so high and our workforce participation rate so low.


27 posted on 03/26/2014 5:13:44 PM PDT by heye2monn (MO)
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To: Altura Ct.

The military will become like the college campuses, the men will be driven out and quit showing up.

The females and the freaks will own it in time.


28 posted on 03/26/2014 5:14:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: vetvetdoug
Deja vu 1976-1980.

Much worse actually. Neither Ford nor Carter forced straight men to tolerate Fags living and working among them onboard ship. 1980 getting caught playing Rump Ranger in the rack or elsewhere would be an instantly taken off ship and discharged under less than honorable offense.

1980 the going retention bonus for a Snipe was $15K-$18K next rank and if possible some shore duty. Chiefs were begging short timers to re-up. By late 1982 under Reagan's watch {when I considered going back in} the retention issue had resolved itself along with the other issues the Ford/Carter era created.

Our military has been in an ongoing state of decline since the day GHW Bush took oath as POTUS. We need another Ronald Reagan to pull of military and this nation out of this mess. We're in a much deeper crisis both nationally and military wise than has been seen since WW2.

29 posted on 03/26/2014 5:16:23 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Altura Ct.

Will our military soon be 50% limp wristed noodle heads and Napolitano lookalikes?


30 posted on 03/26/2014 5:16:52 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: SeaHawkFan
Not as easy as you might think.

I don't know... I race with a lot of airline captains - a lot are South West but other carriers as well - and they see not enough first officers coming through. Don't know how the regionals are doing... that's where a lot of the major carriers get their FOs from: right seat regional, left seat regional, right seat major, Captain.
Alternatively, Military, right seat major, Captain.

31 posted on 03/26/2014 5:18:59 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, I served during the Nixon, Ford , Carter and Reagan years in the Army. The worst social experiment in the Military happened in the early ‘80’s when the Army started co-ed basic training, it was a farce, the women couldn’t keep up with their male counterparts in the physical strength area, so standards were lowered. And what do 18 year old boys and girls like to do after hours??? Pregnancy rates soared and morale plummeted. And here we are 30+ years later. Mission acomplished Indeed! Liberalism is antithetical to common sense.


32 posted on 03/26/2014 5:20:52 PM PDT by PROCON (Those who are capable of Tyranny are capable of Deceit to sustain it.)
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To: Altura Ct.
Everything is proceeding according to plan.

Just like ACA is intended to blow up the health insurance industry to replace it with single payer, tossing out don't ask don't tell in favor of normalizing flagrant homosexuality & gender integration is intended to destroy the military to replace it with Obama's Civilian National Security Force.

I'm not even half kidding.

33 posted on 03/26/2014 5:22:03 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: exit82

Not an Obama civilian force.


34 posted on 03/26/2014 5:23:21 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Altura Ct.

Marines and Army too .....

Let’s hope these good men and women decide to re-up
once this fool is out of office and all his lame policies have been tossed out and reversed .
That day cannot come a moment too soon .


35 posted on 03/26/2014 5:27:04 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Altura Ct.

i’d think they’re pretty tired of all the gay guys raping the straight ones.


36 posted on 03/26/2014 5:29:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Altura Ct.

They are full of shit when they say, “Our diversity is our strength.” Our strength is/was in our unity. But that was before “American” was a dirty word to the politically correct.


37 posted on 03/26/2014 5:31:33 PM PDT by sport
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sir , no sir . Please take it from me ; a lot of good men and women are just bidding their time . The great majority see right thru all the BS and don’t agree with one bit of it . Yet they are loyal to their country .

The next conservative to run for that office needs to publicly state that IF elected he will make all corrupted things right with the military and veterans and will gladly receive any and all , whom with a sterling service record ,had opted to leave due to Obama’s incompetence as C&C . 1000’s would heed this call . They LOVE their Service , they are just sickened by whom holds the reins presently .
They be back in a flash , if offered a deal they could not refuse . They are the best of us , they deserve our support , even if right now they decide to leave en masse .
A smart candidate will see a way to make a great thing out of this . Trust me


38 posted on 03/26/2014 5:32:39 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Jim Robinson
"Mission accomplished."

It's been a much longer mission than many realize Jim. Leftists have openly despised the US military since the 60's, but the leftist project to destroy it began in earnest with Pat Schroeder and other congressional feminists with the so-called "Tailhook" scandal.

39 posted on 03/26/2014 5:35:40 PM PDT by VR-21 (Next Stop, Willoughby.)
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To: Altura Ct.

A yep, and that’s why WE SHOULD NEVER elect a liberal to be Commander in Chief, they’ll always do what they can to destroy the military.


40 posted on 03/26/2014 5:37:46 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: moovova

The question is, are the few Patriots that remain going to let the Democrats destroy the United States? I don’t have any magic solutions myself but I intend to fight to the last breath.


41 posted on 03/26/2014 5:37:46 PM PDT by sport
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To: PROCON
The worst social experiment in the Military happened in the early ‘80’s...

I was in during those years and yes it was bad, but I stayed in until 1998 and got to see the Clinton years.

The mid 90's were even worse.

42 posted on 03/26/2014 5:39:40 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: USAF80

We’ve had it, along with SHARP training out the wazoo. Can’t even tell a joke anymore without putting your career on the line.

Suggest you check out the Duffel Blog if you’re so inclined. Like the Onion, but for killers.


43 posted on 03/26/2014 5:41:11 PM PDT by 22202NOVA (I stand with Ukraine...warts and all.)
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To: LeoWindhorse
Let’s hope these good men and women decide to re-up once this fool is out of office and all his lame policies have been tossed out and reversed . That day cannot come a moment too soon .

There's 25 years of damage to undo. The worse of it coming during the past five years when our bare bones military was cut more and more. It's not just POTUS. Congress on both sides of the aisle needs a good hard kick in their arse and start doing their Constitutional duty and uphold their Constitutional and moral obligation to the troops.

Many of us served under either the 3/3 or 4/2 enlistment obligation. For a first enlistment that should suffice. The few allowed exceptions should only be where you signed a six years first enlistment for special advanced training such as Nuclear Propulsion School where the Navy had major money and time invested in training. Today's enlistment obligation is eight years last I heard. Kids signing up today are seeing four and five six month to a year long deployment. This pace has been going on for well over a decade. At the same time Congress has been reducing funding and End Troop Strengths.

GW Bush and the GOP two house leadership missed the golden opportunity to undo previous damage when a build up did not occur following 9/11. We went into Iraq 2 and Afghanistan basically on 1996 manpower levels set by congress. The rubber band has been wound tight and is fixing to snap.

44 posted on 03/26/2014 5:43:25 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: 22202NOVA

Haven’t had SHARP yet. USAF even started a blog on the portal about sexual assault but after five months only one person is making comments. The website sucks and a lot of the women I ask never heard of it.

I think they are wasting money producing videos and pamphlets every couple of months and the assaults have been increasing. I always say that when I hang out with my buddies I don’t have to worry about them screwing me or me them. When you mix men, women and homos together, throw in booze, then anything can and will happen.

They keep pushing this BS that we are all the same, all wingmen, yada yada yada BS and it aint working.


45 posted on 03/26/2014 5:53:30 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: Old Sarge

Obama’s destroying our ability to defend ourselves... could he really be doing this on purpose?


46 posted on 03/26/2014 5:55:13 PM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
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To: Altura Ct.

All part of the Communist Plan to destroy America from within, they said they would, I guess nobody believed them.


47 posted on 03/26/2014 5:56:20 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Altura Ct.

I think that this may be the son of legendary F-14 pilot Dale “Snort” Snodgrass. Snort was the guy who executed that amazing knife-edge pass alongside the USS America ...

If this is Snort’s kid, he’s probably the only mid-grade officer in the Navy who can so publically say something like this and have it not affect his career.


48 posted on 03/26/2014 6:00:26 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: moovova
retention is beginning to suffer from the military’s relentless social conditioning programs

That's the plan. They didn't succeed in disarming us, so now they are removing the threat of a strong, conservative leaning military.

49 posted on 03/26/2014 6:03:40 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: tanknetter

That picture is a classic :>}


50 posted on 03/26/2014 6:04:37 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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