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“Stand Your Ground” Nation: America used to value the concept of retreat. Now we just shoot.
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| February 25, 2014
| Dahlia Lithwick
Posted on 03/26/2014 5:51:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: Chainmail
Did you know that my namesake division had Marine regiments aboard during World War I and actually had Marine commanding generals, even though it was an Army division?
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:08:47 PM PDT
by
2ndDivisionVet
(I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
To: 2ndDivisionVet
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:08:47 PM PDT
by
Ray76
(Profit from the mistakes of others, you'll never live long enough to make them all yourself.)
To: 2ndDivisionVet
Stupid headline...even stupider content I think the author of this just loves stupid.
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:09:15 PM PDT
by
crazyhorse691
(Obama is just the symptom of what is destroying the U.S.)
To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yet another ego-driven, arrogant, haughty foreigner telling us how to run the country.
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:09:23 PM PDT
by
spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
(What we need is to sucker the fedthugs into a "Tiananmen Square"-like incident on the National Mall!)
To: GOPJ
I dont enjoy Slate... theyre so dishonest...
Ya' think?
To: 98ZJ USMC
Canada had a great big military as recently as World War II and was instrumental in winning that fight. By the war’s end, over 1 million citizens would serve in military uniform (out of a prewar population of 11 million) and Canada would possess the fourth-largest air force and third-largest naval surface fleet in the world. Around 41% of Canadian males 1845 served in the military (25% of Quebec males, 4248% for other provinces) during 193945.
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:12:09 PM PDT
by
2ndDivisionVet
(I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
To: 2ndDivisionVet
Did you know that my namesake division had Marine regiments aboard during World War I and actually had Marine commanding generals, even though it was an Army division?
John A. Lejune, IIRC. George C. Marshall made SURE that that would never happen again or that Marines would ever serve in Europe, ever again.
To: 2ndDivisionVet
Given all this, its not unreasonable to argue that, in America, you can be shot and killed, without consequences for the shooter, for playing loud music, wearing a hoodie, or shopping at a Walmart. Yes, actually, that is unreasonable by definition inasmuch as it is an entirely false representation of the circumstances cited. You can be shot and killed for physically attacking someone, yes, with no consequences for the shooter, as it should be.
It never seems to occur to liberal gun prohibitionists that a presumed requirement to retreat works both ways. If it applied to Zimmerman, it also applied to the aggressor St. Trayvon, who very obviously did not "value" retreat.
Shorn of its legalistic pretensions, Dahlia's case is simply that physical violence is justified on the part of protected classes and that those in "oppressing" classes have no right to self-defense. She can hyperventilate all she wants, but that isn't how it's going to be.
To: 98ZJ USMC
No wonder Doug hated him.
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:13:27 PM PDT
by
2ndDivisionVet
(I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
To: 2ndDivisionVet
Boo-hoo...Crimea river.
FMCDH(BITS)
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:14:39 PM PDT
by
nothingnew
(I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
To: A_Former_Democrat
She is Jewish, and keeps a kosher home If every Jew in Hitler's Germany had a gun, 20 rounds AND the will to use it, Hitler would be a minor footnote in history.
Instead, 6 million Jews and 7 million non Jews were *tortured and slaughtered* by Hitler. And something like 60 million people worldwide died as a direct result of a war that Hitler was largely responsible for.
A Jew that thinks people should be disarmed is the true definition of insanity.
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:14:45 PM PDT
by
ChildOfThe60s
((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't want to get any messages saying, "I am holding my position." We are not holding a thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living crap out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like crap through a tin horn!
General George S. Patton on American strategery
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:16:29 PM PDT
by
ealgeone
(obama, borderof)
To: 2ndDivisionVet
as recently as World War II
Recent? FULL DISCLOSURE: I worked with the PPCLI in Alaska.
To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Gawd. Another mayo head.Ah crap! Now I have to get my spare keyboard out!
FMCDH(BITS)
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:18:09 PM PDT
by
nothingnew
(I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
To: 2ndDivisionVet
Before Americans valued the concept of retreat they used to value the concept of protecting their lives and property. I have to be honest that I once valued the concept of retreat, but I learned differently from my wife’s grandfather some 30 years ago. He was a caring and loving man. He wasn’t heavy handed in his lessons. Looking back on it today, I realize he wanted me to correctly care for his precious grand daughter. And I do.
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:19:33 PM PDT
by
ConservativeInPA
(We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have to state that deicent people have retreated enough in this country.
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:19:57 PM PDT
by
Nuc 1.1
(Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
To: 2ndDivisionVet
The quicker we remove these liberals from the gene pool, the better!
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:20:14 PM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
To: ealgeone
The Normandy landing plan included as much as 70% casualties as acceptable losses as long as the beachhead was taken. Fortunately the killed and wounded came to something closer to 20% but they most definitely weren’t honoring the concept of retreat.
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:21:06 PM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
To: 2ndDivisionVet
Question. How exactly does a guy retreat when he’s on the ground getting beaten? Never mind how. Where?
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:22:06 PM PDT
by
RichInOC
(No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
To: 2ndDivisionVet
Maybe we are just fed up with all the vermin and much as that well known movie scene we are collectively sticking our heads out the window and yelling “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore! In California being popped for carrying a concealed weapon, if your not a felon, is generally a misdemeanor, so if I have to go somewhere iffy ( if all my guns and ammo hadn’t fallen into that bedamned mine shaft)I would carry an inexpensive Makarov in .380 and be safe.
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posted on
03/26/2014 6:23:30 PM PDT
by
Mastador1
(I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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