Posted on 03/27/2014 10:29:14 AM PDT by Strategy
Many of those Russian troops in Crimea can be used to invade Southern Ukraine. Didn’t many of the Ukrainian servicemen in Crimea decide to go over to the Russians?
Mexico's military aint that strong, yet they're kicking our asses without formally firing a shot.
"Europe" dragged us in twice and the playing cards are shaping up the same again. This time with lots and lots of technology that kills humans dead from a very long distance.
“Pastor, your prayers requested, please.”
For you personally, or about this Russia thing?
PM if you want.
Hi, caww
“Hey!!! I resent that...I love it when men open doors for me or pulls my chair out....chivalry isn’t dead yet! There’s still some great guys out there.”
You bet. That’s why I *always* get the door for a lady. I was taught to do that as a child, and I always will.
There is one side and the other side, and then there is the truth.
What is it?
Eh? “Always been”? You believe the U.S. position in the Cold War was not for the good?
The invasion of Iraq in 2003 involved 300K coalition forces. It was supported by Shiites and Kurds, who represent 80% of the population. If Ukrainians oppose Russian forces, the Russians are gonna lose far more than the 5000 dead we lost in Iraq.
If Ukrainians oppose Russian forces, the Russians are gonna lose far more than the 5000 dead we lost in Iraq.
You are correct, but Putin doesn't care. His reference point regarding casualties is WWII. He learned well the Stalinist model of warfare.
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I hope their tanks are running on bio fuels or Obama is going to get angry.
I hope their tanks are running on bio fuels or Obama is going to get angry.
Oh, I'm sure that has been thought of. Hillarity or Kerry would probably miss it, but not Soros, Merkel, etc.
Now... If "we"/the U.S./EU/globalists/Soros/cohorts /whomever were even 10% as effective at stirring up trouble as is opined here on FR often, from that group's standpoint, to quote Chekhov in Star Trek 4: "Now would be a good time".
We are not that effective. If we were, it'd have been thought of a long time ago and already well in motion.
How can this be?... I never heard about it from he MSM. /s
Putin's not Stalin - the Russian equivalent of a living God. Stalin commanded not merely the obedience, but the worship of the Russian people. Putin is essentially an elected Tsar - popular only for as long as he gets the cost-benefit calculation right. And Russian families aren't as big as they used to be. The Afghan War demoralized Communist Russia despite the repressive apparatus in place to suppress defeatist talk. Besides, Russia was able to take huge casualties during the war with Germany only because surrender would have mean the liquidation of every single Russian. They were literally fighting for their lives. I doubt any Russian believes that not invading Ukraine will result in his extermination.
Putin would leave thousands dead on the battlefield if his nationalistic interests would be served.
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Agreed: As I’ve posted elsewhere, if this thing really heats up / the Ukrainians fight, I think Russia’s “pain level” breaks at around 50,00 fatal casualties, particularly if the most extreme (or desperate?) of the Nationalists ally with the Tartars and Chechnians, thereby giving Russia even more reason to fight on. Since I expect a 10:1 kill ratio in favor of the Russians, we are basically looking at half a million dead Ukrainians, not to mention a ravaged country. That’s pretty grim stuff, and whether the Ukraine is willing to fight that hard is questionable. However, the casualties would likely occur over substantial time, and as awful as those casualties sound, they are not even remotely close to the % of the population killed in Ukraine in WW2.
I’ve guessed elsewhere that perhaps 5 million Ukranians would actually be capable of resisting the Russians in some way. So, I try to put myself in those shoes: A 10% chance I am killed, and a certainty friends and/ or family members will be killed & my livelyhood probably destroyed, in return for finally being independent. (I don’t really think the Nationalists have much use for the EU, either, if the EU doesn’t support them in a big way.)
Do I fight? Deep breath... Yes. But, I’m not Ukrainian, so I can’t REALLY put myself in those shoes.
I hope they put 500000 troops and take over the Ukraine. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. America, you get the government you deserve. Too bad for the community organizer. People that voted for this $hit, did you ever get an inkling as to what this coward THAT HATES THE MILITARY LIKE YOU DO, would be in the face of aggression? No, you didnt’t because nothing else mattered that you get your Communist black-skinned boy elected.
Well... About half the Ukraine thinks their last Preaidential election was fraudulent. Not to mention that the oligarchs who really run the show control who is and isn’t a significant candidate, so the people don’t really have a good choice.
Huh, where have we seen this story before?
The REAL story of Maydan is that enough of the people finally got fed up enough to force the Ukrainian Parliament to dump the fast-growing-into-a-dictator Yanukovych.* (Yes, there are various factions — that Right Sector guy got what, well under 2% of the vote last time ‘round?)
*Even Yanukovych own party says this now:
But your take seems to be that since we elected a wus, the Ukrainians should suffer the consequences? Good God, FRiend, don’t wish evil on those who want to be free.
They do have 4m civilian owned small arms, and 7m military small arms. What they need most is time.
They are likely in Belarus as well, waiting to strike south to Kiev.
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