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Stopping Putin: The Military Option
Newsweek ^ | March 28, 2014 | By Max Strasser

Posted on 03/28/2014 1:12:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

President Barack Obama is getting anxious that Russian president Vladimir Putin is on the point of invading Ukraine.

“You've seen a range of troops massing along [the Russian/Ukraine] border under the guise of military exercises,” he told CBS News last night. “But these are not what Russia would normally be doing. And, you know, it may simply be an effort to intimidate Ukraine. Or it may be that they've got additional plans.”

So far, the West has deployed its economic and diplomatic might to punish and deter Russian President Vladimir Putin from those “additional plans” -- invading the rest of Ukraine.

Yet the West’s strongest option remains untouched: Military action.

While Russia rolled its forces into Crimea, the West clearly has kept its armies confined to barracks. So far the U.S. and its NATO allies have merely offered Ukraine limited military support and have flexed their military muscles in other ways.

Earlier this month, as the crisis in Ukraine escalated, the U.S. announced training exercises in Poland for F16 fighter planes and C130 transport planes. And generals in NATO headquarters in Brussels are planning for what could come next.

An estimated 30,000 Russian troops are currently positioned near Ukraine’s eastern border. Russia’s defense minister assured his American counterpart last week that the Russian Army will not move further into Ukraine. But Ukrainians – and many observers elsewhere – fear a Russian invasion is possible.

“The force that is at the Ukrainian border now to the east is very, very sizable and very, very ready,” said General Philip Breedlove, NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander.

A Russian push further into Ukraine could leave the U.S. and NATO in a tight spot...

A Ukraine-Russia fight would be a rout...

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: moroninchief; nato; obama; putin; russia; ukraine
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"But military strategists reject those options as profoundly unlikely.

No matter what Russia does in Ukraine – even in the case of a full-scale invasion – there is little chance NATO, or the U.S. acting independent of the alliance, will engage in a shooting war with Russian troops."


1 posted on 03/28/2014 1:12:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

“the West has deployed its economic and diplomatic might”

obozo cutting off the marijuana trade and writing a stern letter to the NYT?


2 posted on 03/28/2014 1:15:15 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Jim Robinson

We could send in some A-10s...

Which would be the perfect military deterrent.

But obama killed them.


3 posted on 03/28/2014 1:16:17 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Jim Robinson
A Russian push further into Ukraine could leave the U.S. and NATO in a tight spot...

 

I can almost hear Mr. Putin asking; "How's that leverage thing working out for ya Barry? All right?"

4 posted on 03/28/2014 1:17:07 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: 2banana

Obama’s gonna send in Meals on Wheels and clowns to serve them. Unfortunately, they’re due to arrive late for the rout.


5 posted on 03/28/2014 1:18:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

We have no leverage whatsoever. The “world community” wanted a planet where America isn’t powerful enough to interfere. Well folks, you got it. Enjoy.


6 posted on 03/28/2014 1:20:42 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Jim Robinson

Putin checkmated 0bama on this a long time ago. That’s the problem.

Actually, I take that back. It gives too much credit to 0bama’s ability on the world stage. The better term for 0bama’s foreign policy is called “Fool’s Mate.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fool%27s_Mate


7 posted on 03/28/2014 1:22:12 PM PDT by henkster (I don't like bossy women telling me what words I can't use.)
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To: Jim Robinson

... Unless they bring Wesley Clark out of retirement. Anybody remember him ordering Gen. Michael Jackson (UK) to block the runway at Pristina Airport to prevent supplies from reaching a Russian Airborne unit? Jackson told Clark, “I’m not going to start WW3 for you!” and refused the order.

Gen. Jackson’s refusal was later endorsed by London. Clark looked like the idiot he was.


8 posted on 03/28/2014 1:22:39 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Jim Robinson

Ukraine has to butch up and defend their Southern border. Let’s see if Russians will slaughter fellow Slavs.


9 posted on 03/28/2014 1:25:07 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Jim Robinson

Someone who isn’t an arm chair general and has some military experience please explain to this old Marine what the hell the US can do militarily in this situation. Because for the life of me I see no military option here. We are coming out of 13 years of constant combat operations. Our troops are tired, our equipment is beat up with zero prospect of replacement anytime soon. Ask yourself this; Is this fight worth the death of just one more soldier, sailor, airman or Marine? I don’t think it is.


10 posted on 03/28/2014 1:26:20 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: sean327

Sorry, America blew that option when they elected Obama.


11 posted on 03/28/2014 1:27:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Our feckless leadership opened a vacuum, Putin filled it.

Now, it’s Europe’s problem.

Ukraine is directly in their sphere of influence and they did nothing.

Heck, they won’t do nothing....til next winter, when their gas bills skyrocket and then what are the panzied pacifists gonna do?

I’ll tell yuh:
“They’ll simply shrug their shoulders, give an audible sigh and order another latte”.

Fk Europe.

They won’t lift a finger to end this and we don’t need to blow up everything anyway....


12 posted on 03/28/2014 1:28:51 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Jim Robinson


The author.
13 posted on 03/28/2014 1:31:05 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Jim Robinson

Oh please.


14 posted on 03/28/2014 1:32:12 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Jim Robinson

Obama and Putin are racing into action.

We all know how talented each man is with weapons and leading an organized armed force. It's a showdown - KGB v. Community Organizer. I think we all know how this ends.

15 posted on 03/28/2014 1:34:08 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Jim Robinson

This author should not be taken seriously.

Flashback: Top Twelve Most Homophobic Nations

By: Max Strasser/Newsweek.com

http://sacratomatovillepost.com/2014/03/14/top-twelve-most-homophobic-nations/


16 posted on 03/28/2014 1:39:59 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Jim Robinson

Probable date of Russian action: April 8 @ approx 2 am local time. That would make Obama unreachable, since it would occur during the middle of the NCAA basketball championship.


17 posted on 03/28/2014 1:40:50 PM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: sean327

You know this tough-talk by the Obama kids is all about domestic consumption. The Media know he’s looking like Jimmy Carter when the Russians rolled into Kabul in ‘79 and they’re nervous — the one’s that aren’t already flacking for Hillary that is... Those Mediots are happy to scuff-up Obama’s perception of being weak.

Look for Hillary to dust off her State Department pants suit and make a very serious pronouncement. It won’t mean squat, but it’ll sound good!


18 posted on 03/28/2014 1:41:51 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: dynachrome

How would ‘bammers respond if Russia just decided to re-annex Alaska?


19 posted on 03/28/2014 1:42:27 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Jim Robinson
The over-reigning point is that with this clown in charge, we haven't the ability or the balls to do anything.

Sure, somebody might write a strongly worded letter, or draw a pink line on a map..

20 posted on 03/28/2014 1:43:26 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: MrB

No golf courses there worth a darn, so no problem.


21 posted on 03/28/2014 1:44:19 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: MrB

Obama would say “Good, just make sure you take Sarah Palin into custody”.

Yes we can! LOL


22 posted on 03/28/2014 1:45:47 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Jim Robinson

Europe has long thought we’re just warmongering hoards anyway, so the fact we’re now rendered irrelevant should be a source of happiness to them. I’m sure they’ll apply all the requisite force for the barrage of letters of deep, deep, deep concern to follow.


23 posted on 03/28/2014 1:57:24 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: sean327

I am no general, so armchair is the best description of my thoughts.

However, the question is whether or not Putin is willing to roll over top of American troops if they’re already on the ground in the Ukraine. Next, would east Ukrainians stand up for Ukraine or for Russia, because Putin wants a clear pathway to the Crimea that is now in their hands.

So, would Putin roll over already present American troops? Their purpose would be cannon fodder initially, but to put them there would mean a commitment had been made to back them up with all out firepower if the trip wire were tripped.

How to get a credible force there in a brief amount of time. The initial force couldn’t be ship-borne. That would be no surprise. It would have to be a large force air dropped to a critical location regarding the massing Russian forces.

The only possible locations to launch nap of the earth airborne troops would be ideally from Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Moldova, or Bulgaria. Would they even allow it? Certainly not if they saw spinelessness in charge of America.

The Ranger Regiment and a quick reaction brigade from the 82d would be the initial cannon fodder trip wire.

Would Putin attack or would he flinch? To force him to flinch, those troops would have to attack on any cross border incursion by Russian troops. We would have to be clear that this would escalate into the stratosphere if those troops were brought under fire in any way.

And then we’d be stuck doing another Germany for the next 50 years.


24 posted on 03/28/2014 2:02:07 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim,
The Russians have said their policy is any attack on their forces with conventional weapons by a major power will result in an immediate response with nuclear weapons. Disbelieve them if you will, just stating their policy.


25 posted on 03/28/2014 2:12:16 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Jim Robinson; All
White paper dated today from the Congressional Research Service, Federation of American Scientists, Read pages 4-8 in particular.

Army Drawdown and Restructuring

26 posted on 03/28/2014 2:19:06 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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It doesn’t make sense for Russia to keep 80,000 troops massed on Ukraine’s border for too long. However, from Russia’s perspective, Friday evening is probably the worst time of the week to mount a big invasion, since global markets have closed for the weekend.

Would Vladimir’s friends at Gazprom ever forgive him if he didn’t schedule his invasion to create the greatest global buying panic in the oil and gas sectors possible?

Sunday afternoon would be ideal. First, the troops can surge over the line, creating a fog of war confusing enough to make Russian-instigated rumors of vital pipeline shutdowns credible, first to Asian investors, then on to frantic Europeans and Americans continually bidding up prices as the crisis builds.

As Russian oligarch Rahminov Emanuelsky once advised, never let a crisis go to waste that can result in a windfall of petrodollars for Mother Russia.


27 posted on 03/28/2014 2:26:48 PM PDT by Bluestocking
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But these are not what Russia would normally be doing.

Yeah, well, the democratically elected government of Russia's most important strategic ally and neighbor isn't normally violently overthrown by Obama/Soros/sodomite EU funded, firebomb throwing insurrectionists and replaced by a Globalist Bankster puppet junta. What the hell do people expect Russia to do? Send a congratulatory fruit basket.

28 posted on 03/28/2014 2:26:54 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Bluestocking
As Russian oligarch Rahminov Emanuelsky once advised, never let a crisis go to waste

He must be channeling Rahm Emmanuel.

5.56mm

29 posted on 03/28/2014 2:28:33 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Jim Robinson

Yet the West’s strongest option remains untouched: Military action.

A weakened, under funded and demoralized military is hardly the strongest option.
We need a leader before we go to war. We have none now..


30 posted on 03/28/2014 2:37:02 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: xzins
There is zero question there. The answer has been known for six decades.

According to orthodox Russian military doctrine, they need all of those ports on the Black Sea AND THEY NEED TO BE DEFENSIBLE BY LAND to be militarily viable.

As long as Ukrain was (ostensibly but not in reality) neutral Russia wasfine with that. Ukraine served double duty acting as a buffer. That was tue best possible state of affairs for the Ukrainians and really for everyone. As soon as the Eurocrats began working to politically subvert Ukraine towards joining the EU the Russian response became carved in stone.


This isn't a situation where there are a wide variety of possible outcomes. There are only two.

1. Russia takes Crimea and the connecting part of the Ukraine.
Or
2. What is left of the west holds what remains of Ukraine and Crimea afte the entirety of Russia's conventional and WMD arsenals are completely exhausted.


I have serious doubts as to America's ability to pull Europe's fat out of the fire in the wake of Congress aiding Obama into throwing the Middle East and North Africa into war including our up to now allies.

Who would be stupid enough to join a coalition with us as part of it, even to stop the Russians?

31 posted on 03/28/2014 2:40:23 PM PDT by MrEdd (vHeck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Russians don’t take a dump without a plan son.


32 posted on 03/28/2014 2:45:48 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: MrEdd

I agree that the US has no remotely good military option in the Ukraine. That said, what I wrote was my thoughts on how to possibly make Putin flinch.

I agree with you. Everyone would think Obama was bluffing, and Putin would just maneuver around those troops and not engage them.

If Obama actually ordered the tripwire to attack a Russian incursion, most everybody in the world would be absolutely amazed.

But Rangers & a Quick Reaction Brigade is about the only course of action I can see on the ground. It would be a suicidal and/or stupid choice as a course of action, but at least it is a military option short of an initial attack.

It requires Putin to respond.


33 posted on 03/28/2014 2:48:35 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Jim Robinson; PIF

“U.S. Military Experts to Iran then Russia. We surrender.”

[Also see Gates under Bush concerning Iran.]


34 posted on 03/28/2014 2:52:20 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: xzins

That’s a plan, but maybe surprise and risking large numbers of casualties would be unnecessary. Our Navy is already there along with nearby air and other support in various places. By Russia’s reactions to other events of the past decade or so, Russia wouldn’t get in the way.

But maybe the main problems are the obvious, bipartisan lack of American will to fight (markets, international trade, fuel prices, our Baby Boomer regime, socialist political factions fighting each other over the pile of recirculating debt, etc.) and lack of military budget. There’s also the obvious fear that China will move on something, if our military forces get involved in much other action. We’ve see a lack of will to fight Iran for over ten years.

What was once taught as being “unthinkable” in leadership doctrine is now routinely and publicly expressed, even by prior servicemen, including officers. The enemy is not only being allowed to build up. He’s allowed to move on allies.

Are they allies? That’s another previous assumption that’s loudly questioned in contemporary implications in bipartisan political speech.

Other recent news (shortly after the events in Ukraine)...

Kiev agitators ‘trained in Poland’ claims Putin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3129486/posts

As Ukraine tension flares, Russia test-fires ballistic missile
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3129501/posts

China Fields New Intermediate-Range Nuclear Missile (Gertz)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3129390/posts?page=6#6

N.Korea Fires Multiple Launch Rockets
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3129517/posts

Putin Adviser Urges Dumping US Bonds In Reaction to Sanctions
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3129485/posts


35 posted on 03/28/2014 3:19:27 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: 2banana

That’s a great idea. Since they were originally designed to destroy Soviet tanks and the Air Farce wants to get rid of them what better way than sending the squadrons to Ukraine? We can do the usual show and tell while maintaining we’re demonstrating capabilities for a potential sale.

After the Ukrainians “steal” them, we can shrug our shoulders and file a compliant with the local police.


36 posted on 03/28/2014 3:35:19 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: sean327

“Someone who isn’t an arm chair general and has some military experience please explain to this old Marine what the hell the US can do militarily in this situation. Because for the life of me I see no military option here. We are coming out of 13 years of constant combat operations. Our troops are tired, our equipment is beat up with zero prospect of replacement anytime soon. Ask yourself this; Is this fight worth the death of just one more soldier, sailor, airman or Marine? I don’t think it is.”

On the ground, there is no option. By the time we start moving troops near there, russia will invade and already occupy Ukraine. Now if we had already stationed troops close by, we could move into Ukraine and the Russian troops would not invade.

What we are left with is air and naval superiority. We can blockade all sea trade with russia. And very few countries can withstand a full blockade due to the interconnectedness of the world economies.

We can also publically announce that we will provide air cover for Ukraine and against any russian invasion. That might deter the russians, or it might not.


37 posted on 03/28/2014 3:38:17 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: sean327

We have no legal reason to put boot on the ground. It would be a great idea if Turkey went ahead and closed the Bosporus to Russian shipping. With the murder of a Tatar activist in the Crimea they now have grounds to take action.

That would greatly complicate life for Putin.


38 posted on 03/28/2014 3:40:10 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: edpc

“Probable date of Russian action: April 8 @ approx 2 am local time. That would make Obama unreachable, since it would occur during the middle of the NCAA basketball championship.”

An intelligent guess as he invaded Georgia during opening ceremonies in Beijing 2008 while President Bush was in attendence.


39 posted on 03/28/2014 3:40:28 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Jim Robinson
Putin laughs at 0bama.

5.56mm

40 posted on 03/28/2014 3:41:56 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe
Oh, btw when is the next new moon?

5.56mm

41 posted on 03/28/2014 3:42:48 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: staytrue

We can still do some damage with our ground forces. We have been fighting against irregulars the last few years. Our tanks may be older but still pack a punch. It’s just a matter of getting everything re-directed which would take forever.

I’m sure Putin and his boys are smart enough not to let us build up our forces anywhere close to him.


42 posted on 03/28/2014 4:51:04 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: familyop
I just can't see us getting involved for Ukraine, or frankly, the Baltics. Poland? Germany? If it got that far, it's the end of the world as we know it. Countries 75% of Americans cant find on a map? We could land ground troops, but we cant keep them there. Our M.O. for the last 20 year has been airstrikes, because they are safe. How many Russians get killed by bomb from F/A-18s before we lose a carrier with 4,000 souls on board? Russia isnt our technological equal, but they can bloody us worse than anyone else, and I'm not sure we've got it.
43 posted on 03/28/2014 7:08:17 PM PDT by NYFriend
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To: sean327
Someone who isn’t an arm chair general and has some military experience please explain to this old Marine what the hell the US can do militarily in this situation.

I'd love to hear that myself. Apparently the author thinks "military option" involves marching a nonexistent NATO force under a Russian land-based air umbrella, magically supplying it from somewhere, all to achieve an unstated objective with a never-ending deadline. What could possibly go wrong?

44 posted on 03/28/2014 7:37:12 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Jim Robinson

Is Max Strasser going to gear up and face thr Ruskies?


45 posted on 03/28/2014 7:39:05 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: henkster
That analogy is absolutely perfect.
46 posted on 03/28/2014 7:40:33 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Jim Robinson

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3130506/posts

Send in the Gay Brigades. They will cause a Pussy Riot and complete out PUTIN. I mean oust.


47 posted on 03/28/2014 8:29:48 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Jim Robinson

ACORN WILL STOP EM


48 posted on 03/28/2014 8:38:14 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bammy doesn’t really care.


49 posted on 03/28/2014 9:33:49 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Bryanw92

nothing is stopping you from enlisting - and sending your kids to enlist - if you think it’s important that we go to war over Ukraine.


50 posted on 03/28/2014 9:43:53 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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