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Could Ebola now be airborne?
Daily Mail ^ | 3/28/14 | DAMIEN GAYLE

Posted on 03/28/2014 6:34:35 PM PDT by Kartographer

Fears are growing that the most lethal form of the Ebola virus can mutate into an airborne pathogen, making the spread of the terrifying disease more difficult to check. It was previously thought the untreatable virus, which causes massive internal bleeding and multiple organ failure, could only be transmitted through contact with infected blood. But now Canadian researchers have carried out experiments showing how monkeys can catch the deadly disease from infected pigs without coming into direct contact.k

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airborne; bleeding; blood; canadian; deadly; disease; ebola; experiments; infected; monkey; organfailure; pathogen; pigs; researchers; transmitted; untreatable; virus
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Move over 'Captain Trips'!
1 posted on 03/28/2014 6:34:35 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Axenolith; dynachrome; Sacajaweau; appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; ...

Peppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 03/28/2014 6:35:13 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; ...
Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

3 posted on 03/28/2014 6:36:59 PM PDT by null and void ( Everything evil in the world may not be Islamic but everything Islamic is evil.)
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To: Kartographer

gee I hope no middle eastern scientists are part of that experiment.


4 posted on 03/28/2014 6:38:03 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

Hemorrhagic fever. The mortality rate is effectively 100%. You bleed to death from the inside out.

Its the real Captain Trips. Ebola is one of those nightmare viruses confined to the depths of the jungles - or we so we thought.


5 posted on 03/28/2014 6:38:33 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Kartographer

...wouldn’t you like to be a pepper too?


6 posted on 03/28/2014 6:39:47 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Kartographer

Don’t fear the reaper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUAvTn3uz5w


7 posted on 03/28/2014 6:40:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: goldstategop

We’ll see if the theory that a high mortality rate eventually limits the spread of the pathogen.


8 posted on 03/28/2014 6:41:02 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: DuncanWaring

They need to work on a vaccine.

But don’t forget, Islamic clerics will still be opposed to vaccinating their own people against dying of septic shock.


9 posted on 03/28/2014 6:42:01 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Kartographer; LucyT; maggief; hoosiermama; null and void; Mother Abigail

Kartographer, thanks for the post!

All y’all, ping to this topic!


10 posted on 03/28/2014 6:42:28 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: driftdiver

Airborne mutations of Ebola.

Plot device(s) in the movie Outbreak and the Tom Clancy novel Rainbow Six if I recall correctly.

Scary.


11 posted on 03/28/2014 6:42:46 PM PDT by Antihero101607
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To: null and void

How many exposed have already jumped on a plane out???


12 posted on 03/28/2014 6:43:49 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: driftdiver

That abandoned women’s prison is looking better and better.


13 posted on 03/28/2014 6:44:02 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Antihero101607

Tom Clancy’s “Executive Orders”.

The Iranians try to develop a strain of Ebola Mayinga that gets deployed as an aerosol. After the initial infection outbreak, it burns out due to lack of contact with victims.


14 posted on 03/28/2014 6:45:53 PM PDT by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: Antihero101607

The nastiest killer in human history was a bacteria named yersina pestis. Better known as the Black Death.

It killed half the population of medieval Europe. Giovanni Boccaccio’s famous “Decameron” has it as its background.


15 posted on 03/28/2014 6:46:21 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: driftdiver

Amen Brother!


16 posted on 03/28/2014 6:46:37 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: goldstategop

Hmmm, how is it that we never heard of this sort of disease from the annals of the early explorers?

When was the first case documented?


17 posted on 03/28/2014 6:46:45 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: WildHighlander57

Ebola has always been prevalent among African animals. They have acquired a natural immunity to it. Unfortunately, few human beings have it and that is why its nearly almost lethal.

The bubonic plague on the other hand can be treated with antibiotics.


18 posted on 03/28/2014 6:51:24 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: null and void
But now Canadian researchers have carried out experiments showing how monkeys can catch the deadly disease from infected pigs without coming into direct contact

These tests were conducted of Africa....

19 posted on 03/28/2014 6:52:32 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Kartographer

Ebola and the Black Death are the ones you hope don’t mutate and become airborne. Either one would make New York in “The Stand” look like a picnic.


20 posted on 03/28/2014 6:57:41 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Kartographer

It was helped to be airbourne?!?!?!?!?!?


21 posted on 03/28/2014 7:01:43 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Im missing a jumbo jet with 235 passengers has anyone seen it?)
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To: Antihero101607

Outbreak was a very enjoyable movie.


22 posted on 03/28/2014 7:02:19 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: goldstategop

“But don’t forget, Islamic clerics will still be opposed to vaccinating their own people”

We have a bunch right here on FR who would be opposed to being vaccinated because they just “know that Big Pharma is just doing it to make money”.


23 posted on 03/28/2014 7:03:23 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Antihero101607

And the Clancy novel “Executive Orders”.


24 posted on 03/28/2014 7:06:17 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: goldstategop

I thought it interesting that as this thing “escalated so to speak, Uganda let their people know that BATS are forbidden to eat.

And RATS are probably not a good idea to eat.

Until RATS are also forbidden, I’m skeptical that this will jump to a civilized country.

There may be something in it for them to scare us though.


25 posted on 03/28/2014 7:13:57 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Kartographer; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...

Well, isn’t that just lovely!

PING!


26 posted on 03/28/2014 7:15:17 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Kartographer

If I remember right, Ebola has a recorded outbreak of an airborne strain right here in the U.S. and the strain was named after the town were it was identified, Ebola Reston.

Reston, Virginia was home to a strain that luckily, was only dangerous to simians, but it was airborne, so its not beyond the realm of possibility for a strain to develop that harmful to humans.


27 posted on 03/28/2014 7:19:00 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Kartographer
Lassa Fever and Marburg Viruses were the first two to be recognized and caused the scientific community multitudes of headaches until they realized how infectious they were. I remember that Lassa was brought to the US to a lab at Cornell and someone on the next floor up from the research died from the disease. It seemed it was circulated through the air ducts. It goes with logic that airborne particles of any virus could evade immune systems and establish upon mucous membranes thereby infecting the host. The odds are in the virus’ favor. Ebola is in the same family of viruses as Lassa and Marburg.

These filoviruses are extremely hard to grow in a lab as they obliterate the cell cultures rapidly and make them hard to study. Plus, now the labs that work with them have a myriad of safeguards to protect everyone, unlike when I worked with just gloves and a hood.

28 posted on 03/28/2014 7:19:07 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: null and void

Life, death, undeath.


29 posted on 03/28/2014 7:32:53 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Kartographer

May God have mercy on our poor souls. Amen.


30 posted on 03/28/2014 7:36:55 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: vetvetdoug

Lassa fever, like what might infect those cute monkeys the animal rights nuts were carrying out of a lab two at a time?
I’d laugh my butt off if that were to happen.


31 posted on 03/28/2014 7:37:49 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Kartographer

There’s a whole lot of nasty diseases that fortunately aren’t airborne transmitted, and hopefully never are, because we would be in a world of hurt.


32 posted on 03/28/2014 7:46:25 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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Airborne Ebola would be the most terrifying disease in recorded history.

Society would quickly come undone.

33 posted on 03/28/2014 7:49:43 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: goldstategop
The mortality rate is effectively 100%.

68%

34 posted on 03/28/2014 7:50:36 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: WildHighlander57

“Hmmm, how is it that we never heard of this sort of disease from the annals of the early explorers?”

There weren’t any early explorers. The African continent is a plateau making its rivers, other than the Nile, unnavigable from the sea.

Parts of Africa were never explored until 1900 and that includes the Congo, where ebola lives. The first known case occurred in 1976.


35 posted on 03/28/2014 7:51:20 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: WildHighlander57
When was the first case documented?

I think about 1976

Back in 1980 or '81 I spoke with an American doctor named Bruce Johnson, IIRC, in Nairobi, who was doing research on hemorrhagic fevers - Ebola, Marburg, etc. Not much was known at the time and he needed specimens from victims in order to do his research.

He gave me several articles to pass along to the various bush medical personnel I worked with and asked that they notify him of any possible cases. I volunteered to fly the specimens back to Nairobi. (Note to self: Not such a bright idea, in retrospect!)

There had been an outbreak in Southern Sudan in the late 1970's that killed 126, IIRC. The effects were so horrendous that the entire hospital staff ran away.

There was also an outbreak in Marberg, Germany in the 1970's related to a shipment of monkeys from Central Africa. Also, a schoolgirl in Western Kenya who fed the monkeys developed acae, but I believe that she recovered. There is also a milder Rift Valley Hemorrhagic Fever. They had a case near Kijabe, Kenya

36 posted on 03/28/2014 7:52:00 PM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: BunnySlippers

Ebola has also been found in a small antelope, as well as chimpanzees and gorillas.


37 posted on 03/28/2014 7:54:20 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: Darksheare

Those must be the same monkeys that my drivers took pics of jumping from tree to tree on upper 84N in upstate NY in 1991?


38 posted on 03/28/2014 8:04:48 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: dynachrome

I think the Black Death can be airborne and is called the Pneumonic Plague. The Pneumonic Plague is spread by airborne droplets.


39 posted on 03/28/2014 8:07:48 PM PDT by FoundinTexas
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To: Paladin2

air travel puts te whole world in danger

if intercontinental travel was restricted to ships, it could be contained. but since a person can be infected, board a plane, and travel from Africa to the US before symptoms begin showing.... we’re all hosed


40 posted on 03/28/2014 8:18:23 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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"we’re all hosed "

At least until he cities with airports are done in.

41 posted on 03/28/2014 8:23:57 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: acapesket

Possibly.
Don’t forget the diseased mice they let loose.


42 posted on 03/28/2014 8:30:18 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Kartographer

I saw a post like this on Free Republic a little while back:

“Crocodiles can climb trees: researchers

Some Freeper says: “Great. As if I didn’t have enough to worry about already.”


43 posted on 03/28/2014 8:39:02 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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It was helped to be airbourne?!?!?!?!?!?

I've read that it is catchable in an airborne manner, although not easily. There's a good explanation in Wikipedia (I know, can't always trust it, but the info is there):

"Transmission through oral exposure and through conjunctiva exposure is likely and has been confirmed in non-human primates. Filoviruses are not naturally transmitted by aerosol. They are, however, highly infectious as breathable 0.8–1.2 micrometre droplets in laboratory conditions; because of this potential route of infection, these viruses have been classified as Category A biological weapons."

44 posted on 03/28/2014 8:45:47 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Carbonsteel

You are absolutely correct. A Ft. Detrick team deployed quietly to assess and burn the dead animals at the Reston quarantine facility. The CDC and HWO have classified three strains of Ebola; Ebola Marburg (Germany), Ebola Reston (Va, only airborne strain), and Ebola Zaire (most commonly seen). A good book on the subject is “The Hot Zone” for anyone interested in the subject.

Regards


45 posted on 03/28/2014 8:59:58 PM PDT by Sine_Pari
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To: Sine_Pari

Oops, WHO not HWO.


46 posted on 03/28/2014 9:05:34 PM PDT by Sine_Pari
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
The mortality rate is effectively 100%.

[no it's] 68%

"Survivors" invariably suffer major damage to kidneys, liver, and brain. Most require permanent custodial care and do not ever recover. They do not live very long either.

I would call that an effective mortality rate of 100%.

47 posted on 03/28/2014 10:20:57 PM PDT by flamberge (What next?)
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To: flamberge

Being born is an effective mortality rate of 100%


48 posted on 03/28/2014 10:24:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: goldstategop

It was in the jungles, stayed in the jungles, until a bunch of morons decided to go exploring in the jungles and brought back all sorts of bugs with them.


49 posted on 03/28/2014 10:28:46 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister

george george george of the jungle, fiend to you and me


50 posted on 03/28/2014 10:29:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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