Skip to comments.Could Ebola now be airborne?
Posted on 03/28/2014 6:34:35 PM PDT by Kartographer
Fears are growing that the most lethal form of the Ebola virus can mutate into an airborne pathogen, making the spread of the terrifying disease more difficult to check. It was previously thought the untreatable virus, which causes massive internal bleeding and multiple organ failure, could only be transmitted through contact with infected blood. But now Canadian researchers have carried out experiments showing how monkeys can catch the deadly disease from infected pigs without coming into direct contact.k
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Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.
The purpose of the Bring Out Your Dead ping list (formerly the Ebola ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.
So far the false positive rate is 100%.
At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the Bring Out Your Dead threads will miss the beginning entirely.
*sigh* Such is life, and death...
gee I hope no middle eastern scientists are part of that experiment.
Hemorrhagic fever. The mortality rate is effectively 100%. You bleed to death from the inside out.
Its the real Captain Trips. Ebola is one of those nightmare viruses confined to the depths of the jungles - or we so we thought.
...wouldn’t you like to be a pepper too?
Don’t fear the reaper
We’ll see if the theory that a high mortality rate eventually limits the spread of the pathogen.
They need to work on a vaccine.
But don’t forget, Islamic clerics will still be opposed to vaccinating their own people against dying of septic shock.
Kartographer, thanks for the post!
All y’all, ping to this topic!
Airborne mutations of Ebola.
Plot device(s) in the movie Outbreak and the Tom Clancy novel Rainbow Six if I recall correctly.
How many exposed have already jumped on a plane out???
That abandoned women’s prison is looking better and better.
Tom Clancy’s “Executive Orders”.
The Iranians try to develop a strain of Ebola Mayinga that gets deployed as an aerosol. After the initial infection outbreak, it burns out due to lack of contact with victims.
The nastiest killer in human history was a bacteria named yersina pestis. Better known as the Black Death.
It killed half the population of medieval Europe. Giovanni Boccaccio’s famous “Decameron” has it as its background.
Hmmm, how is it that we never heard of this sort of disease from the annals of the early explorers?
When was the first case documented?
Ebola has always been prevalent among African animals. They have acquired a natural immunity to it. Unfortunately, few human beings have it and that is why its nearly almost lethal.
The bubonic plague on the other hand can be treated with antibiotics.
These tests were conducted of Africa....
Ebola and the Black Death are the ones you hope don’t mutate and become airborne. Either one would make New York in “The Stand” look like a picnic.
It was helped to be airbourne?!?!?!?!?!?
Outbreak was a very enjoyable movie.
“But dont forget, Islamic clerics will still be opposed to vaccinating their own people”
We have a bunch right here on FR who would be opposed to being vaccinated because they just “know that Big Pharma is just doing it to make money”.
And the Clancy novel “Executive Orders”.
I thought it interesting that as this thing “escalated so to speak, Uganda let their people know that BATS are forbidden to eat.
And RATS are probably not a good idea to eat.
Until RATS are also forbidden, I’m skeptical that this will jump to a civilized country.
There may be something in it for them to scare us though.
Well, isn’t that just lovely!
If I remember right, Ebola has a recorded outbreak of an airborne strain right here in the U.S. and the strain was named after the town were it was identified, Ebola Reston.
Reston, Virginia was home to a strain that luckily, was only dangerous to simians, but it was airborne, so its not beyond the realm of possibility for a strain to develop that harmful to humans.
These filoviruses are extremely hard to grow in a lab as they obliterate the cell cultures rapidly and make them hard to study. Plus, now the labs that work with them have a myriad of safeguards to protect everyone, unlike when I worked with just gloves and a hood.
Life, death, undeath.
May God have mercy on our poor souls. Amen.
Lassa fever, like what might infect those cute monkeys the animal rights nuts were carrying out of a lab two at a time?
I’d laugh my butt off if that were to happen.
There’s a whole lot of nasty diseases that fortunately aren’t airborne transmitted, and hopefully never are, because we would be in a world of hurt.
Society would quickly come undone.
“Hmmm, how is it that we never heard of this sort of disease from the annals of the early explorers?”
There weren’t any early explorers. The African continent is a plateau making its rivers, other than the Nile, unnavigable from the sea.
Parts of Africa were never explored until 1900 and that includes the Congo, where ebola lives. The first known case occurred in 1976.
I think about 1976
Back in 1980 or '81 I spoke with an American doctor named Bruce Johnson, IIRC, in Nairobi, who was doing research on hemorrhagic fevers - Ebola, Marburg, etc. Not much was known at the time and he needed specimens from victims in order to do his research.
He gave me several articles to pass along to the various bush medical personnel I worked with and asked that they notify him of any possible cases. I volunteered to fly the specimens back to Nairobi. (Note to self: Not such a bright idea, in retrospect!)
There had been an outbreak in Southern Sudan in the late 1970's that killed 126, IIRC. The effects were so horrendous that the entire hospital staff ran away.
There was also an outbreak in Marberg, Germany in the 1970's related to a shipment of monkeys from Central Africa. Also, a schoolgirl in Western Kenya who fed the monkeys developed acae, but I believe that she recovered. There is also a milder Rift Valley Hemorrhagic Fever. They had a case near Kijabe, Kenya
Ebola has also been found in a small antelope, as well as chimpanzees and gorillas.
Those must be the same monkeys that my drivers took pics of jumping from tree to tree on upper 84N in upstate NY in 1991?
I think the Black Death can be airborne and is called the Pneumonic Plague. The Pneumonic Plague is spread by airborne droplets.
air travel puts te whole world in danger
if intercontinental travel was restricted to ships, it could be contained. but since a person can be infected, board a plane, and travel from Africa to the US before symptoms begin showing.... we’re all hosed
At least until he cities with airports are done in.
Don’t forget the diseased mice they let loose.
I saw a post like this on Free Republic a little while back:
“Crocodiles can climb trees: researchers
Some Freeper says: “Great. As if I didn’t have enough to worry about already.”
I've read that it is catchable in an airborne manner, although not easily. There's a good explanation in Wikipedia (I know, can't always trust it, but the info is there):
"Transmission through oral exposure and through conjunctiva exposure is likely and has been confirmed in non-human primates. Filoviruses are not naturally transmitted by aerosol. They are, however, highly infectious as breathable 0.81.2 micrometre droplets in laboratory conditions; because of this potential route of infection, these viruses have been classified as Category A biological weapons."
You are absolutely correct. A Ft. Detrick team deployed quietly to assess and burn the dead animals at the Reston quarantine facility. The CDC and HWO have classified three strains of Ebola; Ebola Marburg (Germany), Ebola Reston (Va, only airborne strain), and Ebola Zaire (most commonly seen). A good book on the subject is “The Hot Zone” for anyone interested in the subject.
Oops, WHO not HWO.
[no it's] 68%
"Survivors" invariably suffer major damage to kidneys, liver, and brain. Most require permanent custodial care and do not ever recover. They do not live very long either.
I would call that an effective mortality rate of 100%.
Being born is an effective mortality rate of 100%
It was in the jungles, stayed in the jungles, until a bunch of morons decided to go exploring in the jungles and brought back all sorts of bugs with them.
george george george of the jungle, fiend to you and me
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