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Feds to require rearview cameras in new vehicles
FoxBusiness.com ^ | 4/1/2014 | AP

Posted on 04/01/2014 6:07:22 AM PDT by mykroar

WASHINGTON – Years late, the Transportation Department issued a rule Monday that will require rearview technology in many new vehicles -- an effort to reduce deaths and serious injuries caused by backup accidents.

The final rule issued by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration will require new vehicles under 10,000 pounds and built beginning May 1, 2018, to meet the new rear-visibility standards. The rule includes buses and trucks; motorcycles and trailers are exempt.

The rearview cameras must give drivers a field of vision measuring at least 10 by 20 feet directly behind the vehicle. The system must also meet other requirements including dashboard image size, lighting conditions and display time.

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KEYWORDS: auto; camera; nhtsa; rear
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Another site that was unpostable had the automakers wanting to get rid of side-view mirrors if the cameras serve the same function. (I'm assuming it wasn't an April Fools joke - that article was from yesterday). Just more expensive regs.
1 posted on 04/01/2014 6:07:22 AM PDT by mykroar
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To: mykroar

I believe this one is real and real stupid.


2 posted on 04/01/2014 6:12:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mykroar

Under what authority?


3 posted on 04/01/2014 6:13:55 AM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: mykroar

Don’t these Feds want inside view cameras as well? They could regulate there be a mandated camera fixed upon each seat. Let me suggest they have an infrared camera in the trunk space as well... no telling what some subject wants to put in there.


4 posted on 04/01/2014 6:14:21 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: mykroar

More rules and regulations by unelected bureaucrats. But of course it’s central planning for our own good.


5 posted on 04/01/2014 6:14:31 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (Repeal it.)
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To: C210N

> Don’t these Feds want inside view cameras as well? They could regulate there be a mandated camera fixed upon each seat. Let me suggest they have an infrared camera in the trunk space as well... no telling what some subject wants to put in there.

The interior cameras will be real handy for fining you when you eat chocolate, fatty foods, or 16 + oz. sodas when you’re over 20 % of your ideal Obamacare weight. How will they know. Well by the scale buil into the seat that you’re sitting on silly. You won’t have to even worry about going down to the courthouse to pay the fine because there will only be one plea you can enter or a food offense and it will automatically be deducted from your bank account online while you’re driving..../s


6 posted on 04/01/2014 6:26:10 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: mykroar

Looks like another big win for the camera manufacturers and importers.

Bonus time for the lobbyists.....


7 posted on 04/01/2014 6:29:28 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: Iron Munro

I said to my wife this morning, for years I was concerned the Ruskies would blow us up. I think they figured out long ago they could just sit back and watch the lawyers, lobbyists, greedy politicians, bureaucrats and their ilk do the same with no cost to them. Frankly if the Ruskies took out DC with a 25 mile wide radius, we would be better off as a nation and people IMO.


8 posted on 04/01/2014 6:40:01 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: cripplecreek
I believe this one is real and real stupid.

Agree 100%. heard it on the news this morning. About 200 deaths annually attributed to backup accidents. The cost of the camera systems is estimated to be $140 (yeah right) more like $500 out of the consumers' pockets - when does any auto manufacturer sell you anthing at cost?

So 15.6 million passenger vehicles sold last year times $500 = $7.8 billion. So going with my realistic cost to consumers that is $39,000,000 per death, BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE. Nothing gurarntees that anyone having these will use them, so generously estimating that half of teh deaths will be prevented by this technology, that's $79,000,000 per death prevented. Total waste of money.

Even going at the dishones and incorrect cost of $140 that's still $10,920,000 per death and realistically twice that per prevention.

9 posted on 04/01/2014 6:40:11 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: mykroar

That would be under which enumerated power?


10 posted on 04/01/2014 6:41:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: mykroar

“I’ve” had two accidents in my Mustang convertible.

Both of the other drivers were women...both had vehicles with rear view cameras...both were backing up...both hit me while my car was parked...and I wasn’t even in the car.

(One was my lovely bride.)


11 posted on 04/01/2014 6:45:53 AM PDT by moovova
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To: from occupied ga

I’m a firm believer that if it saves just one life, its still not worth it.

While it sucks if that one life is your loved one, its not worth the cost to everyone else.


12 posted on 04/01/2014 6:50:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Crazieman

“”Under what authority?””

Maybe Elizabeth Dole has returned to the Department of Transportation. I still recall the heat about the car rear window brake lights she advocated....


13 posted on 04/01/2014 6:51:25 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: from occupied ga

This is a relatively minor regulation that is arguably within the Commerce Clause enumeration as a general safety regulation for goods that are actually intended to be both sold and then used in interstate commerce.

Frankly I wish all my vehicles had one of these installed. I recently backed into a new Volvo SUV and took out his tailight. My insurance went up over $3000 over the next 3 years. This device will not only save someone’s life, but could save millions of people a lot of money on their car insurance.

We have bigger fish to fry. Most new cars already come with these as standard equipment anyway. I won’t buy a new car that doesn’t have one and if I were to buy a used car, I would want to make sure it had one.

And the next time you back over your dog or child or grandchild, you may wish you had one.


14 posted on 04/01/2014 6:53:00 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

Fine, you want one, then find a car with one, don’t force everyone else to have to buy one.


15 posted on 04/01/2014 6:55:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mykroar

My wife’s last two cars have had the rear view camera, but the lens quickly gets dirty obscuring the view especially during the sloppy winter and spring weather or even during rain or snow. Perhaps the government will soon mandate a lens cleaning system.


16 posted on 04/01/2014 6:55:51 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: mykroar

Well, this is interesting! (not my blog)

http://theattackmachine.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/new-transportation-regulations-enrich-obamas-family/


17 posted on 04/01/2014 6:56:27 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: mykroar

They think it will save about 55 lives a year...

That’s about 0.000018% of the population - and an approximate 0.16% drop in the number of automobile fatalities.

At a cost of, say, $1,000 per vehicle?

So, total cost to consumers nationwide would be about $15.6 billion per year, or about $284 million per life saved.

That is considerably higher than the life-time maximum pay-out limits on most of the health insurance plans...


18 posted on 04/01/2014 6:58:20 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: P-Marlowe

For years how have the great majority of people avoided running over or running into anything? I guess looking and being cautious aren’t enough for those who love government interference in their lives.


19 posted on 04/01/2014 6:58:46 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: dfwgator

If been driving for some 35 years without backing into anything. When I learned to drive, awareness was hammered into me and I won’t move till I know exactly what’s going on all around me.

In my opinion all this so called safety equipment is just making worse drivers.


20 posted on 04/01/2014 7:02:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: P-Marlowe

If you like them then you should definitely be able to have one on any car you buy.

I do not like them and I do not want one.

I respect your right to choose whether to have an expensive additional maintenance hassle on your car - why don’t you respect my right to choose not to have it on mine?


21 posted on 04/01/2014 7:03:00 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: cripplecreek

I agree 100%.

In fact, I consider anti-lock brakes to be of dubious value. It has eliminated the necessity of learning how to properly modulate a brake pedal.


22 posted on 04/01/2014 7:04:57 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: WayneS

Hell I want window cranks back.


23 posted on 04/01/2014 7:05:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: WayneS
In fact, I consider anti-lock brakes to be of dubious value.

I yanked the fuse on mine.
24 posted on 04/01/2014 7:07:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly, it encourages laziness.


25 posted on 04/01/2014 7:10:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: P-Marlowe

The real proble with these cameras is that they provide a very narrow field of vision, and even possible improvements like putting wide angle fisheye lenses in them will only provide marginal improvements.

We had a rental car for two weeks with one. It’s very easy to become trusting of and addicted to the convienience of it to the exclusion of other options (physically turning your body around, using the rear views when backing), creating an even more dangerous situation because you’re paying attention to what is directly behind you and arent paying attention to things that might be approaching (rapidly) perpendicularly/from the side.

For predictable results, see the scene in Office Space where Tom, in a carbon monoxide haze, backs his car out onto the street and immediately gets t-boned by a pickup truck at speed. That almost happened to us, twice, when we had the camera equipped rental mentioned above.


26 posted on 04/01/2014 7:11:11 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: dfwgator; xzins

So would you be opposed to regulations that would require car manufacturers to install any safety device at all?

How about regulations requiring certain braking systems on 18,000 pound trucks?

How about regulations making sure that canned goods are treated in such a way as to prevent botulism?

How about regulations that would make it difficult for China to import their poisoned food products.

Most federal regulations are stupid and intrusive, however regulations that are designed to insure the safety of the general public are a legitimate federal function. The back up camera is a regulation that is designed to protect other people from your negligence or to protect you from theirs. It is no different that a requirement for side mirrors on trucks or back up warning lights.

I almost got run over yesterday by some idiot that tried backing up without looking while I was walking behind him. His back up lights came on right before he gunned the engine and I was able to jump out of the way. If I was a little kid, I’d be dead.


27 posted on 04/01/2014 7:11:16 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

“And the next time you back over your dog or child or grandchild, you may wish you had one.”

Or...you could just practice good driving skills and forego all that death and destruction stuff.


28 posted on 04/01/2014 7:11:20 AM PDT by moovova
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To: The Great RJ

I had a Ford Expedition with one and both my now ex-wife and current girlfriend backed up and hit stuff. The ex hit her own real estate open house sign and the girlfriend hit the garbage can.

Personally I find them annoying and a distraction, but then I learned to back up with all 3 of my mirrors.

My Cadillac has one along with front sensing bumper and my company car has one too. And as some on pointed out earlier they ain’t worth spit when the weather turns bad!


29 posted on 04/01/2014 7:11:21 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: WayneS

Agree. I can’t stand ABS.


30 posted on 04/01/2014 7:13:28 AM PDT by mykroar (We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again. - Nathanael Greene)
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To: cripplecreek

“Hell I want window cranks back.”

Me too. Once a car is ten years old the costliest maintenance is window motor/assembly replacement.


31 posted on 04/01/2014 7:14:09 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: from occupied ga

Revise your calc. The article says only 15 lives saved eafh year.


32 posted on 04/01/2014 7:14:13 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: dfwgator

Take away automatic transmissions and the world will be a safer place because most people would be rendered unable to drive.


33 posted on 04/01/2014 7:14:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
I’m a firm believer that if it saves just one life, its still not worth it. While it sucks if that one life is your loved one, its not worth the cost to everyone else.

Agree, but I will add when you are talking about a nation of 300 million and this just saves one life, it's very likely to actually CAUSE the death of more than one person either directly or indirectly. Unintended consequences can't be avoided.

34 posted on 04/01/2014 7:15:01 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: mykroar

It’s silly to argue against his, there’s been a long history of government mandates to improve vehicle safety and they have saved thousands of lives, and avoided debilitating injuries and economic loss. Seat belts, anti-lock brakes, airbags, occupant weighing systems to control airbag deployment when a child is in the seat, tire pressure monitoring systems, and now back-up cameras have been mandated when the technology has proven effective and affordable. Cameras have become cheap thanks to having one embedded in every cellphone, and increasingly cars have video display screens for other purposes that back-up images can be displayed on.

Is it another example of nanny state-ism? Of course. But the fedederal gummint owns/maintains the highway system and they figure this give them the right to regulate commerce in regard to how they are used. There is some logic to that, and we’ve got much bigger problems to spend time worrying about. Buy stock in companies that make automotive systems and enjoy the benefits of one segment of US manufacturing that is experiencing some growth and profitability due to these mandated safety features.


35 posted on 04/01/2014 7:18:54 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: P-Marlowe

There’s a point of diminishing returns with all these things, where the coat/benefit ratio approaches zero and even flips into the negative (meaning that the “solution” causes more problems than it solves.

My personal experience with these things are that they’re dangerous. They instill a sense of confidence that fosters laziness and results in poor situational awareness involving 2-3 ton (roughly) machines.

Given how many of them are already out there, I’d really like to see numbers on crashes/injuries/deaths caused by their (exclusive) use.


36 posted on 04/01/2014 7:21:41 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: P-Marlowe

Aww! The government is worried about my safety! That’s so sweet! And I didn’t even get them anything except this huge tax payment!

If you need a camera to back up your car, (and apparently, you think you do) you need to park that bad boy and go get yourself a driver’s ed refresher course.

This ‘safety regulation’ is nothing but a pathetic attempt to justify manufacturers locking customers into their proprietary dash screen systems that are so integrated into the car’s computer that they cannot be changed. Thus, your car is outdated inside in 2 years vs being user upgradeable for decades. Smart consumers used to be able to opt out of the idiocy. Now the government has stepped in and mandated we participate in it. Just like health care. Yay government! Yay safety!


37 posted on 04/01/2014 7:24:31 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: mykroar

Sure. The feds can demand it. Someone else is paying for it.


38 posted on 04/01/2014 7:24:32 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (An army of deer led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions, led by a deer.)
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To: mykroar

I think they should mandate turn signals on cars. Oh wait, they do, it’s just here in Kentucky they NEVER use them.


39 posted on 04/01/2014 7:28:16 AM PDT by anoldafvet (If you think the government is capable of taking care of you, just look at the indian tribes)
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To: mykroar

automakers wanting to get rid of side-view mirrors if the cameras serve the same function.

***********

There are some articles that state that so probably is correct. Many cars have
side view indicators now but I think they are taking about another device incorporated
with the rear view device.


40 posted on 04/01/2014 7:28:24 AM PDT by deport
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To: anoldafvet

It’s the same here in Massachusetts.


41 posted on 04/01/2014 7:29:39 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mykroar
Yep, let's make a new car even less affordable now ..... what's this going to add, another $1,200 to the cost of a new vehicle?
42 posted on 04/01/2014 7:29:45 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: WayneS

When this vehicle is a few years old & the camera is inoperative & out of warranty,do you think the average owner is going to pony up to fix something like that? Chances are the manufacturer has obsoleted the parts anyway. On a used car that’s for sale,it’s to the point where you can have enough non-operative,gov’t. mandated devices that the repair cost exceeds the value of the vehicle. I think we’re there already,in some cases.


43 posted on 04/01/2014 7:29:46 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: P-Marlowe
This is a relatively minor regulation

So you consider a potential $7.8 billion a year is unimportant.

Frankly I wish all my vehicles had one of these installed.

That is your option. You can buy them and have them retrofitted Put your money where your mouth is. Making everyone pay is a total waste of money.

And the next time you back over your dog or child or grandchild, you may wish you had one.

My first response to your obnoxious and stupid comment I won't print. However, you apparently didn't understand the math and frankly I don't think I can make it any more simple for those who are hard of understanding.

44 posted on 04/01/2014 7:32:45 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga
Agree 100%. heard it on the news this morning. About 200 deaths annually attributed to backup accidents.

Right, and I'll bet having a rear-view camera will do NOTHING to prevent additional deaths. Rear-view camera's look STRAIGHT BACK, covering about 20 feet behind the vehicle, primarily onto the pavement.

How does that stop someone from backing up and getting T-Boned from either side?

Answer: it doesn't.

Looks like the automaker's lobbyists won on this one, consumers lose and new cars become even less affordable.

45 posted on 04/01/2014 7:33:48 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: cripplecreek
I’m a firm believer that if it saves just one life, its still not worth it.

My point exactly.

46 posted on 04/01/2014 7:34:23 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: mykroar
I wonder how much the camera manufacturers had to pay to get this regulation?
47 posted on 04/01/2014 7:35:44 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: P-Marlowe
Frankly I wish all my vehicles had one of these installed. I recently backed into a new Volvo SUV and took out his tailight. My insurance went up over $3000 over the next 3 years. This device will not only save someone’s life, but could save millions of people a lot of money on their car insurance.

So because you're a lousy driver who backs up into other people's cars, you think forcing everyone to pay for rear-view camera's is a good idea?

I have a better idea: I'll take up a collection for you to take driving lessons so you learn to look before you backup instead. As for you, keep your damn' hands out of my wallet.

48 posted on 04/01/2014 7:36:54 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: TexasGator
Revise your calc. The article says only 15 lives saved eafh year.

I missed that. OK $7.8bill/15 = $520 million per life saved.

49 posted on 04/01/2014 7:37:17 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: P-Marlowe

If you cannot walk in a parking lot or drive without hitting something, that is your problem. I’m 55, and I’ve never had the problems you complain of, even backing my pickup full of hay. But then, I know what MIRRORS are, and how to use them.


50 posted on 04/01/2014 7:52:23 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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