Posted on 04/01/2014 4:37:44 PM PDT by Kaslin
Sir, with all due respect to your thoughtful post, I disagree. History is not on your side. Google “United States Repealed Legislation” and you will find 39 pages, single spaced, of repealed Federal Legislation. Some of it major, some of it not. But, the concept of “REPEAL” is deeply embedded in American Politics and Ted Cruz, a student of the Constitution and American Politics knows this.
What you are saying was once said too about Prohibition but in somewhere around a dozen years opposition gradually built and it was Repealed.
So, when you say “never happen”, my suggestion is that you consider a caveat to that assertion. That caveat being that with “this” congress there is “no way”. Then you will say “well, ok Obama will veto” if the Pubs take control of Congress. And even that argument ignores that only a handful of Dems in the Senate and even fewer in the house will be needed to over-ride his veto IF THE PUBS ARE EVEN MODERATELY SUCCESSFUL IN NOVEMBER!
If the pubs hit a home run in NOvember, then APPEAL becomes almost a certainty. (note I used the word “almost”)
He needs the American people and the Rep party to back him or he is pissing in the wind.
I love the guy but he can not do it alone.
‘zackly.
Rip it out !
Simply require all people who are receiving a payment from the federal government to enroll in Medicaid or obamacare. That would include all those on assistance and all federal government employees and retires - including congress, the president’s family and the supremes.
I see it differently. Social Security has been entrenched for over seventy years. Medicare has been around since the 60’s. Food stamps since the 70’s. We know that the welfare state is unsustainable, and Obamacare only adds to the bill coming due. So when it comes time to roll back the welfare state (assuming we don’t collapse under it’s weight), what will go first? Obviously, the least popular.
John Boehner...is that you?
I’m with Ted. REPEAL. EVERY. WORD. OF. IT.
Thanks for the ping. Great thread!
“...We did this once before with abolition....”
Damn straight! Prohibition was repealed, too. How long did that last? 1920 to 1933. Took 14 years, but they got it removed.
Anything is possible if you push hard enough - and KEEP pushing.
Perfect example: the left has been pushing this crap for decades, and they got it - BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T GIVE UP.
So we can’t either. It’s NOT an option. It has to go.
Dear Leader - “Il Douchey” - was throwing a temper tantrum saying the “debate on Healthcare is OVER!”
We’ll show him in November that the debate is most certainly not over...
Then sunset it. But it has to go. And I think you're the only person on FR who still calls this monstrosity "ACA". It isn't "A", it takes away "C" and the last "A" has to be stopped.
Abolution was banning someone from doing something. It is politically “easy” to undo that.
Name one major giveaway to people that has ever been eliminated.
We can all agree it “has” to go. It will not happen, not fully.
We can play at the margins. Many states were politically able to NOT APPROVE the EXPANSION of medicaid. None have ever been able to eliminate medicaid, or medicare.
We should be able to get rid of the federal oversight, the rules, the mandates. We will not politically be able to take health insurance away from people who now have it under ACA.
That at least is my argument. You of course can argue that we would be able to do so. This isn’t an argument over what we should do, I’m arguing what we should hold people accountable for doing. I don’t hold people accountable for not accomplishing impossible tasks.
“Obamacare” is unpopular.
However, parts of the bill are extremely popular. Like making insurance companies cover people with pre-existing conditions (specifically, guaranteed issue and community rating). Interestingly, Freedomworks deals with this in arguing for full repeal, but by suggesting a replacement provision that would essentially solve the same problem. I think we can pull THAT off, replacing parts of Obamacare; that is different than repeal: “The conservative solution is state-based pre-existing condition pools, also known as high-risk pools.”, they argue.
Note that this would provide state (public) subsidies for health insurance for people who would otherwise have trouble buying it, i.e. people with pre-existing conditions.
Once you suggest that, you’ll fall prey to the argument that if a middle-class person is getting a subsidy from the government, the poor people should as well, which means you’ll have to keep some insurance subsidy program. Doesn’t have to be the Obamacare exchanges, but remember that insurance exchanges themselves are a conservative idea, we simply didn’t think government should dictate what insurance covers and that everybody had to buy it.
And just when did you lose that Stasi feeling, whoah that Stasi feeling?
BTW, I do think that practically speaking, we have to repeal the entire bill. My argument is that we cannot get RID of every aspect of the bill; we will need a replacement, and that replacement is going to have to provide a similar level of benefit to those who benefited from ACA, or else we will not be able to politically PASS the repeal/replace.
Practically speaking, we are much more likely to get an AMENDMENT to the bill, where the entire bill contents is replaced by a new bill that provides things we as conservatives would not like it to do, in order to get enough votes to pass the house and senate, even under republican leadership.
Unfortunately right now we have neither.
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