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SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL [Noah, the movie]
Dr. Brian Mattsom Blog ^ | Monday, March 31, 2014 | Dr. Brian Mattson

Posted on 04/01/2014 4:43:04 PM PDT by Star Traveler

The world of Aronofsky’s Noah is a thoroughly Gnostic one: a graded universe of “higher” and “lower.” The “spiritual” is good, and way, way, way “up there” where the ineffable, unspeaking god dwells, and the “material” is bad, and way, way down here where our spirits are encased in material flesh. This is not only true of the fallen sons and daughters of Adam and Eve, but of fallen angels, who are explicitly depicted as being spirits trapped inside a material “body” of cooled molten lava.

Admittedly, they make pretty nifty movie characters, but they’re also notorious in Gnostic speculation. Gnostics call them Archons, lesser divine beings or angels who aid “The Creator” in forming the visible universe. And Kabbalah has a pantheon of angelic beings of its own all up and down the ladder of “divine being.” And fallen angels are never totally fallen in this brand of mysticism. To quote the Zohar again, a central Kabbalah text: “All things of which this world consists, the spirit as well as the body, will return to the principle and the root from which they came.” Funny. That’s exactly what happens to Aronofsky’s Lava Monsters. They redeem themselves, shed their outer material skin, and fly back to the heavens. Incidentally, I noticed that in the film, as the family is traveling through a desolate wasteland, Shem asks his father: “Is this a Zohar mine?” Yep. That’s the name of Kabbalah’s sacred text.

Okay. That’s weird. But, hey, everybody in the film seems to worship “The Creator,” right? Surely it’s got that in its favor!

Except that when Gnostics speak about “The Creator” they are not talking about God. Oh, here in an affluent world living off the fruits of Christendom the term “Creator” generally denotes the true and living God. But here’s a little “Gnosticism 101” for you: the Creator of the material world is an ignorant, arrogant, jealous, exclusive, violent, low-level, bastard son of a low level deity. He’s responsible for creating the “unspiritual” world of flesh and matter, and he himself is so ignorant of the spiritual world he fancies himself the “only God” and demands absolute obedience. They generally call him “Yahweh.” Or other names, too (Ialdabaoth, for example).

This Creator tries to keep Adam and Eve from the true knowledge of the divine and, when they disobey, flies into a rage and boots them from the garden.

In other words, in case you’re losing the plot here: The serpent was right all along. This “god,” “The Creator,” whom they are worshiping is withholding something from them that the serpent will provide: divinity itself.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bible; jesus; noah; noahthemovie
This is actually an excerpt, but longer than normal, to include a few things here. Click on the link to get more. This is thoroughly AMAZING. It's TOTALLY UNRECOGNIZABLE compared to what people were told (i.e., "lied to") they were getting - "faithful to the Bible".

This director is "TAKING YOU FOR SUCKERS!" ... and laughing all the way to the bank about it!

1 posted on 04/01/2014 4:43:04 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

the only similarities to the Biblical story of Noah and the movie Noah, is that the name of the major character is “Noah,” he built a boat and there was a flood, because the sewers backed up. Whoops, “sewers backing up” is Bill Cosby’s old/ancient comedy routine.


2 posted on 04/01/2014 4:46:12 PM PDT by GreyFriar ( Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Star Traveler

What people need to realize is the studio and the director made a liberal, leftist, ‘green’, global warming and enviro-whacko PROPAGANDA HIT PIECE against the foundations of Christianity and the Bible — and instead, sneaking in their enviro-whacko IDEOLOGY as the basis of the movie!

Dennis Prager, in the following Freeper posting, explains what is going on, in our culture. This movie NOAH is a prime example of how that works.

Judaism, Christianity, Environmentalism
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3139589/posts

ALSO ... if someone wants to see the list of articles on a Free Republic search, you can use this, too ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/noahthemovie/index


3 posted on 04/01/2014 4:48:12 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

A collection of FREEPER threads on the movie - Noah ...

Religious tide turns against ‘Noah’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3138393/posts

Noah: a classic blunder
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3138403/posts

Nine problems with the movie “Noah”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138569/posts

Don’t Get Punked by Paramount’s Pagan Noah Film
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3138604/posts

Noah – The Emperor’s New Movie (The Utter Embarrassing Mess of ‘Noah’)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3138663/posts

‘Noah’ Review: Brilliantly Sinister Anti-Christian Filmmaking
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3138716/posts

Noah, The Film: All Washed Up
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3138756/posts

Box Office: ‘Noah’ Winning Over Faith-Based and Mainstream Moviegoers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138788/posts

No meat at ‘Noah’ party
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138805/posts

The Noah Movie: Our Detailed Review [Christian Review]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3138815/posts

The Noah Movie: Deconstructing Noah’s Ark; Godawful Storytelling
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3138821/posts

Atheist ‘Noah’ director brags film is least biblical Bible movie ever
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138830/posts

Moviegoers Are Thinking Things Over After Earthquake Hits During ‘Noah’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138838/posts

Ken Ham: The Unbiblical ‘Noah’ Is a Fable of a Film
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138844/posts

Box Office: Moviegoers Flock to ‘Noah’… But Hate It
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138851/posts

BOX OFFICE: ‘Noah’ Rises, ‘God’s Not Dead’ Surprises As Schwarzenegger Brought To Knees
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3138858/posts

Ray Comfort Releases Christian Noah Movie: Watch ‘Noah and the Last Day’ on YouTube for Free
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3138946/posts

The midrashiest midrash that ever was midrashed [a spoiler-free “Noah” review]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3138958/posts

just saw “Noah”. downer of a movie.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3138965/posts

If Christians Are Going to Complain About The Movie Noah, Then Create Something Better
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138974/posts

Noah is the Most Unpopular Movie in Current Release (Despite Topping the Box Office)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3139042/posts

The Noah film is afloat with extremism
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3139267/posts

Pastors Enchanted by Hollywood’s Courting Lead Christians to Patronize “Noah” Propaganda Film
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3139548/posts

I’m a Christian and I think ‘Noah’ deserves a four star review
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3139550/posts

Much Ado About Noah
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3139584/posts

Judaism, Christianity, Environmentalism
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3139589/posts

Noah’: Why Christians should see it
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3139676/posts

Theologian Blasts Christian Leaders Fooled Into Endorsing Kabbalah, Gnostic Version of ‘Noah’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3139721/posts

The 5 Most Successful Biblical Movies Of All Time
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3139798/posts

Theologian: Christian Leaders Fooled by Noah Film as biblical
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3139843/posts

SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL [Noah, the movie]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3139880/posts


4 posted on 04/01/2014 4:48:55 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Hey.. it’s a movie, not a bible lesson.

Did you know?


5 posted on 04/01/2014 4:49:44 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Star Traveler


6 posted on 04/01/2014 4:50:19 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Star Traveler

Halfway to my predicted 60 threads on ‘Noah’!


7 posted on 04/01/2014 4:51:59 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Star Traveler
the REMAKE.....is bound to be BOFFO box office....and features the DEBUT of the Mystical Rubber Ducky!


8 posted on 04/01/2014 4:53:22 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: humblegunner

People here fight against the liberal, leftist, ‘green’ and enviro-whacko IDEOLOGY that they try to push on us all the time. In this case, it’s embedded into the story-line - where “man” is the problem, “save the animals”, “stop destroying the earth” - and a built-in hatred of mankind as opposed to the “environment”.

NOW ... If you think this is acceptable IDEOLOGY to push on the masses, then you obviously approve of people spending their money to FUND THIS LEFTIST IDEOLOGY in the movie and PROPAGANDIZE the audience, in the process to “move them” over to the Leftists viewpoint.

Dennis Prager, in the following Freeper posting, explains what is going on, in our culture. This movie NOAH is a prime example of how that works.

Judaism, Christianity, Environmentalism
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3139589/posts

PLEASE NOTE HERE ... even if one doesn’t take the religions of Judaism and Christianity for themselves - it’s VERY KEY to understand that the basis and philosophy for “the West” comes out of it.

OTHERWISE ...what you’re going to get is the philosophy and RELIGION of “Environmentalism” and that “man is bad”, the earth is good and animals rate as high, if not higher than mankind, THAT is the NEW RELIGION!!


9 posted on 04/01/2014 5:00:36 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

You make a lot of opinions about a movie you haven’t seen.
Neither have I, so I don’t have much of an opinion.

But I’ll sure not trash something I have not seen.

Bullwinkle didn’t mention God either but I don’t see you bitching about it.


10 posted on 04/01/2014 5:05:01 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Star Traveler

Do you like Gladiator movies?


11 posted on 04/01/2014 5:11:17 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: Star Traveler
My first guess from the title was that this would be about feeling sorry for the thug in our White House as he deals with his massive failures.


12 posted on 04/01/2014 5:11:52 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: humblegunner

Were you being sarcastic?

If it were just ‘a movie,’ they would have called it something else. And they would have made it about a topic other than the flood of the OT. But they didn’t. So the leftist spin must have some ulterior motive either than just making a movie or completely misrepresenting the tale as told in the Bible.

That’s how propaganda works.


13 posted on 04/01/2014 5:15:03 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: humblegunner

I’ve quoted the ones who have, used their articles and have given all the links for them. This has been very well documented from those who have seen it. I’m an “aggregator” of thes articles, so that people can see them all in one place.

And note here ... there is a really ridiculous and false idea that is circulated here. The ridiculous idea is that you cannot “know anything authoritatively” about a subject UNLESS you have personally engaged in it or have taken part in it some way or were part of it in some way.

SO ... if there is a movie out there - you CANNOT MAKE A JUDGMENT about whether to see it or not, until you see it ... LOL ...

Therefore, you cannot make any judgement about homosexuals, either, until you “do it yourself” and experience it yourself. ONLY THEN, do you have a right to an opinion about homosexuals.

AND ... being a drug addict ... forget about making any judgement about them, until you’ve been one yourself. Please withhold all your opinions until then!

OH ... and “OBAMACARE” ... don’t even bother having any judgement or opinion about that UNTIL you’ve signed up yourself and you’ve tried it out. We want NO OPINION from you about Obamacare UNTIL you have fully experienced it yourself. Your opinion is NOT VALID until then.

Well ... sorry ... but I have ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of experiencing all these evil things myself - before I can make a judgment on them!


14 posted on 04/01/2014 5:17:11 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: tumblindice

Well, maybe, maybe not. I know I haven’t watched the last couple of movies in the “gladiator vein” ... :-) ... It was just a lack of interest more than anything else.

I like some science fiction, though - Star Wars or Star Trek. I liked “The Mission”, Blade Runner, Cool Hand Luke, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, and a bunch of others ... :-) ...


15 posted on 04/01/2014 5:21:42 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

2nd time this was posted today..but it’s one of the more informative and useful articles you’ve managed to find


16 posted on 04/01/2014 5:22:36 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Star Traveler

Excellent post, Star Traveler. Very informative...


17 posted on 04/01/2014 5:25:31 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: humblegunner

Bullwinkle is not pushing a leftist, liberal, ‘green’ and enviro-whacko IDEOLOGY and pushing it as a PROPAGANDA PIECE right inside that media-item.


18 posted on 04/01/2014 5:25:45 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: bigbob

Ooops ... I guess I missed it somehow ...


19 posted on 04/01/2014 5:26:54 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
I saw "Noah" yesterday: GARBAGE.
Crowe and Hopkins were great, as always.
The special effects stole the show.
20 posted on 04/01/2014 5:27:17 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Star Traveler

Oh, well by all means.. it’s a really bad movie then.
Because movies are important.


21 posted on 04/01/2014 5:29:56 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Star Traveler

I’ve got to laugh at the ridiculous effort to drag Gnosticism into this description of Noah.

Yep, Communism, Ecofascism, Gnosticism and no doubt Libertarianism as well.

LOL, pathetic.


22 posted on 04/01/2014 5:38:37 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Star Traveler

Bookmarked.


23 posted on 04/01/2014 5:38:45 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: humblegunner

Only the ones geared for direct propaganda and from the leftist and enviro-whacko IDEOLOGY that we fight so strongly against here on this forum.

There are others, which aren’t geared so purposefully for IDEOLOGY.


24 posted on 04/01/2014 5:42:30 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Talisker

You don’t know when you’ve been SNOOKERED ... :-) ...


25 posted on 04/01/2014 5:43:30 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: humblegunner

Friggin’ Bullwinkle was a riot.


26 posted on 04/01/2014 5:48:07 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: TomServo

This `Noah’ may be one of the movies I would like to see the gang at Mystery Science Theater 3000 analyze:
Tom singing, “I Wish It Would Rain.”
Crow Robot: “McCloud!”


27 posted on 04/01/2014 5:52:37 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: Talisker
I’ve got to laugh at the ridiculous effort to drag Gnosticism into this description of Noah.

To whose description are you referring, Aronofsky's or Mattson's?

28 posted on 04/01/2014 6:13:43 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine

Mattson referring to Aronofsky.

Aronofsky’s an eco-communist trashing Judeo-Christianity. It’s obvious, and nothing else need be included to completely describe that movie.

I dare the little prick to do a movie like that about Mohammed. Hey, All he’d have to say is that he was doing the “least Koran-like movie ever made.” LOL, yeah, that’d save him. Not.


29 posted on 04/01/2014 6:21:46 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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I think Mattson illustrates the movie’s Gnostic theme quite effectively. And given the similar Kabbalist theme in Aronofsky’s previous film, Pi, the context fits. The number of Gnostic references has to be intentional.


30 posted on 04/01/2014 6:45:39 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine
I think Mattson illustrates the movie’s Gnostic theme quite effectively. And given the similar Kabbalist theme in Aronofsky’s previous film, Pi, the context fits. The number of Gnostic references has to be intentional.

Gnosticism is misrepresented by the focus on the "evil God." It's exactly the same as if Catholicism was wiped out down to the last man, woman and child, and then the killers pointed to the crucifix 700 years later and made a big thing about Catholics murdering God and being a torture cult. The "evil God" teaching of the Gnostics was not in any way an equating of that with the infinite God - it couldn't, by definition. Instead, it was a way of teaching that desire will not be, and cannot be, satisfied in human life. Only in the next life, the "higher life," will desires be satisfied in the soul, through union with God. And that this world is infested with demons who wait to snare people - something we increasingly see every day all around us, and which is directly stated in Ephesians 6:12.

In fact, this split between these "two" Gods was an enormously powerful teaching tool - to only look for satisfaction in spiritual life and in following Christ's teachings about how to live and treat each other, rather than for any worldly gain, because such gain is limited and will inevitably fail. Because they could see it all around them in the hardships and dissatisfactions of life, and how they were hunted down and destroyed for their faith. In fact, the teaching went so deep in the people, and was so profoundly imbibed, that when they were slaughtered and burned alive, the priests of the inquisition and the soldiers supporting them marvelled at their calm in facing death, even to the point of singing psalms as they died.

Gnostics were a gentle people who loved God. Those who mock and denigrate them, even to this day, only reinforce the truth of their beliefs by the irrationality and selective memory of their hatred.

Aranofsky represented none of any of that, and Mattson used the movie to promulgate hateful stereotypes about these people. But of course, to the victors go the spoils. And if people are going to praise the extermination of an entire religion down to the last child, what does that make them, if they do not villianize their victims? Thus, to this day, "Christians" spit at these dead - who died praising Christ, at the hands of those who claimed the "protection" of the faith. So who acted like demons?

31 posted on 04/01/2014 7:40:45 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: humblegunner

But for those who who love the Holy Bible, it a BIG DEAL to them, understand?


32 posted on 04/02/2014 5:30:21 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Those of strong faith aren’t threatened by any damned movie, understand?


33 posted on 04/02/2014 5:35:44 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Even those with strong faith see that this movie makes it HARDER for them to witness to those who need to be given Christian witness.

Now back on mental ignore for you. Click.


34 posted on 04/02/2014 5:42:05 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Now back on mental ignore for you. Click.

Please feel free to remain mentally ignorant.

35 posted on 04/02/2014 5:44:03 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Star Traveler

Seeing some of the comments here, I’m glad this was your thread and not mine! ;~P


36 posted on 04/02/2014 7:11:28 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (You think you know me. You don't.)
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