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Could Connecticut Gun Laws Spark Another Waco?
thetruthaboutguns.com ^ | 4/1/14 | Dan Zimmerman

Posted on 04/03/2014 9:24:00 AM PDT by Nachum

There’s been a lot of discussion among members of the Armed Intelligentsia lately about how Connecticut’s finest might proceed if they decide to confiscate unregistered guns from the state’s 100,000 or more newly-minted felons. The level of concern is evidenced by daily long comment threads, speculative posts by people who are not members of law enforcement, and even a couple of contributed opinions from the LEO community. The rational consensus seems to be that if the gun-grab order were given, cops would pinch a registration scofflaw at the grocery store, at work, on the road…anyplace other than his or her home where a Ruby Ridge-style tragedy might ensue. Here I propose the alternative–that LEOs might not in fact be that rational if and when the time comes . . .

You may have read or at least heard about Malcolm Gladwell’s lookback at Waco in the New Yorker last week. It’s part book review (siege survivor Clive Doyle’s memoir has just been published), part interview and part history. Gladwell reprises what most people now know–that the Branch Davidians weren’t violent and almost certainly weren’t involved in the illegal gun trade or any other criminal enterprise. He also provides a brief and interesting history of the group, which was founded some 80 years before David Koresh came along.

Gladwell’s main theme, though, is the thought process and mentality of the law enforcement officials toward the end of the two-month siege. And that should give us all pause.

The F.B.I., to justify its decision to bring about a sudden and violent end to the siege, believed that the Branch Davidians were dangerously in the thrall of Koresh; it feared a catastrophic act like the mass suicide, in 1978, in Guyana, of the cult leader Jim Jones and his followers in the

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To: JimRed
"..the thugs find themselves being picked off from behind by the militia..."

Better to check up on the whereabouts of the H0lder types acting behind the scenes.

61 posted on 04/03/2014 12:00:20 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: DCBryan1
U-2012> Guns owned and registered in the possession
of a registered FireArms Dealer !

There is not such thing as a "Class III firearms dealer".

I strongly urge to to take a Reading Comprehension Class.

THAT QUOTE IS NOT MINE BUT IS SOMEONE ELSE'S.


62 posted on 04/03/2014 12:00:26 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: mabarker1
Cool. Thanks. I knew Fatta came up to Arkanas with his 01 FFL and did some trades. I'll ask old timer Don Hill in North Little Rock. He'll have the skinny on it. Heck, he probaby has Koresh's signature. His 4473 files take up about 800 square feet!

He used to sell Lahti 20mm to LaFrance to outfit anti-Sanitistas on river barges to confront piracy in the Caribbean in the 70s. Sold Lahtis and hundreds of rounds of 20mm for $500.00.

I was born too late!

63 posted on 04/03/2014 12:01:46 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Nachum

bkmk


64 posted on 04/03/2014 12:03:50 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: from occupied ga

“So instead they changed it to mass murder.”

That is exactly what it was since it was Hillary that gave the order to end the standoff even though they knew about the “suicide pact” should a forced raid take place.

Hillary as First Skank had no legal authority to order anyone to do anything, so following her orders amounted to mass murder.

From what I was able to get out of the ATF agent I talked to, the info about the suicide pact came from a bug planted in the compound.

The Dividians were going to set the compound on fire when the raid took place killing as many fed agents as they could.

The Davidians were supposed to get into the buried bus and let the fire burn over them.

Then after the fire was out come out of the bus.

It’s supposed to follow some passage from the bible, I don’t have the slightest clue what it is maybe someone else knows.

The FBI knew they would never survive in the bus.


65 posted on 04/03/2014 12:05:57 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
I strongly urge to to take a Reading Comprehension Class.

And I strongly urge YOU to take a typing class...NOOB ;)

In all series, I meant to ping someone else. FReegards!

66 posted on 04/03/2014 12:10:03 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: DCBryan1
I see that humility and personal responsibly
are not part of your skill sets.

Welcome to FR.


67 posted on 04/03/2014 12:14:40 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Nachum
Once the first few doors are busted in and previously law-abiding and honest citizens are brutally beaten, their homes destroyed in a total search, their families terrorized, their dog shot, and they are yanked off to jail and a long prison sentence... or they are summarily "neutralized" by a heavily armed SWAT team, the word will get around fast.

Most authorities in this country can't imagine "Waco" has the capability to go both ways because they think they have the monopoly on force. Well, do they have armed guards posted at their doors 24/7? Do they travel, work, or play in a 300 yard protected bubble? I think they imagine they do because they assume "the law" is on their side. Well, maybe it once was.

When the tyrants start going after the good people, then why would a good citizen who always paid his taxes, obeyed the laws, and worked hard to raise his family and make a decent life cower in fear until the tyrants finally break down his door and ruin his life or kill him...?

Why?

68 posted on 04/03/2014 12:23:48 PM PDT by Gritty (Obama is a Caesar at home and a Chamberlain abroad - Richard Goodwin)
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To: Gritty
Sic Semper Tyrannus!

The last micro-seconds of the life of Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu, former communist dictator and dictator's wife of Romania.

69 posted on 04/03/2014 12:28:18 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
LOL!


70 posted on 04/03/2014 12:40:29 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: DCBryan1
Nothing of any importance was missing.

71 posted on 04/03/2014 12:42:33 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
...the last moments!

How I love a good execution photo of tyrants. I wish it would happen more often. THANK YOU for the picture!

72 posted on 04/03/2014 12:43:43 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Nachum

Bfl


73 posted on 04/03/2014 12:49:38 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: CitizenUSA

“It’s a tough call, and I don’t blame gun owners who complied with the law or those who refused to comply. I wouldn’t raise a finger to help Connecticut confiscate anyone’s guns, but I don’t know if I would go so far as to disobey the law myself.”

Well, the kapos had a better chance of surviving the holocaust, so if you want to be a kapo... I think that you might want to review the famous Solzhenitsyn quote or Sam Adams quote and let the chains lie lightly on you.


74 posted on 04/03/2014 1:21:15 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Davidians fired first through the wall of the building at ATF agents outside. The rest is history.


Bull.


75 posted on 04/03/2014 1:33:55 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Lose to Cruz - 2016!)
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To: CitizenUSA

There’s a Free Republic meme going around that ALL law enforcement are jack booted thugs.


You’re the first one ever to assert that in my 14 years here.

I think you’re playing straw-man rhetoric because you know your view is a loser.


76 posted on 04/03/2014 1:34:57 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Lose to Cruz - 2016!)
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To: from occupied ga
So instead they changed it to mass murder.

In that case, they might have helped them get into Heaven...

77 posted on 04/03/2014 2:35:35 PM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: DCBryan1

Right. The Tree of Liberty often needs watering, as Mr. Jefferson said. The Romanians watered theirs very well that year.

Better fertilizer from dead dictators than dead freemen.


78 posted on 04/03/2014 3:29:24 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: grumpygresh
I will say this, and that is that we have many avenues to help BEFORE this becomes a blood bath. I absolutely believe that if THEY--powers that be--want a bloodbath, they WILL get one, and if we have the will, WE will prevail. Still, we don't want to hurt or kill ANYONE.

But as my state of Alabama's motto goes; Audemus jura nostra defendere, which means "We dare defend our rights!"

We need to be remindful that if we LET THEM, bad men will take anything and everything from us, including our very lives and the lives of those we love. Thus has always been the history of mankind.

So... We dare... to defend ourselves, even if we have to kill. But it is their choice first.

IN THE MEANTIME--we need to pony up the cash to fight these unconstitutional laws and ensure that our side is heard in the court of public opinion. I really liked the old "I'm NRA" ads that used to run on TV back in the 1990s because the Left has smeared it as the Gun Lobby and people were forgetting the rank and file membership is huge and made up of normal, patriotic, good people. I haven't seen a similar media campaign on the side of gun owners since. There should be such a fight made on our side now to prevent a later violent confrontation.

79 posted on 04/03/2014 3:40:54 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Resolute Conservative
Davidians fired first through the wall of the building at ATF agents outside

A BATF agent testifying before Congress said that when a shot came through a wall near them, he fired blindly back through the wall; there was no mention of any consideration of where in the building any other BATF personnel might be. Other agents testifying with him related similar experiences.

Given that agents inside the building shot at a wall through which bullets came, those outside the building did likewise, what reason is there to believe that the agents inside the building were being "shot at" by anyone other than the agents inside, or vice versa?

80 posted on 04/03/2014 4:36:42 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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