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Dems Wise to Flee the Coming Tsunami
Real Clear Politics / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | 4-6-14 | Jack Kelly

Posted on 04/06/2014 8:39:41 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles

"The assumption Democrats made that, once implemented, Obamacare would be popular ranks up there with Custer’s assumption there were only a few Indians at the Little Big Horn."

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: democratcare; floorward; obamacare; tsunami
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Obamacare is a massive failure and meets all the commonly accepted definitions of a failure. Just because, maybe, "something needed to be done" about health /insurance care in this country when polls in 2009-10 showed that over 80-85% of people were satisfied with their health care situation, doesn't mean this particular law works well or works even adequately. In fact, it is looking more and more that it is continually doing more harm than good,.... to health care itself, the medical industry, health insurance and the overall economy. In November it is going to do more harm then good to the Democrats. And it looks like a lot more harm than good to them. AND perhaps, most importantly, it has given the death knell to any large scale expansion of the social welfare state for at least a generation.

One definition of a "progressive attitude" can be admitting one has made a mistake and then "progressing" to a correct solution.

"All change is not growth (or progress), as all movement is not forward."

Ellen Glascow

1 posted on 04/06/2014 8:39:41 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: ReaganÜberAlles
One definition of a "progressive attitude" can be admitting one has made a mistake and then "progressing" to a correct solution.

More accurately if a "progressive" policy fails, it can only be because they didn't do enough of it and need to expand the scope...

2 posted on 04/06/2014 8:42:59 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Obama in 2014...Floorward!!

Thank you!!


3 posted on 04/06/2014 8:43:36 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

When in all of recorded history has a “progressive” -under whatever name- admitted that their policy was flawed?


4 posted on 04/06/2014 8:45:20 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

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5 posted on 04/06/2014 8:45:38 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Floorward!! I’m stealing that...


6 posted on 04/06/2014 8:46:18 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

All this being true I have zero expectation it will truly be rolled back.

GOP will pickup seats in midterm but a veto proof majority it won’t have so Obamacare will stay.

After the next presidential election a compromise bill that makes substantial changes will be passed, it will be hailed as a “repeal” but it won’t be.


7 posted on 04/06/2014 8:46:31 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: null and void





8 posted on 04/06/2014 8:50:59 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Oh yeah. Stolen.


9 posted on 04/06/2014 8:53:29 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: MeshugeMikey
The opposite of Progress is Congress.
10 posted on 04/06/2014 8:54:42 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: null and void

I have a better one somewhere but Im having some difficulty find it!

my file naming conventions are NOT all they should be.....


11 posted on 04/06/2014 8:56:07 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles
Tsunami? Don't make me laugh.Osama Obama could have been...*would* have been...the main casualty of a "tsunami" in 2012 had it not been for millions of true believers who were convinced that Mitt Romney was very bit as much a Commie atheist as is Osama and,as a result,spent Election Day 2012 doing an inventory of their ammo and food supplies.A good number of them can be seen posting right here on FR (you know who you are).

Ten bucks says the very same thing happens this November.

12 posted on 04/06/2014 9:01:11 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: null and void

“More accurately if a “progressive” policy fails, it can only be because they didn’t do enough of it and need to expand the scope... “

Progressives always fail in the end, and they alway attribute that failure to the fact that the “wrong people” were in charge and if only they had had “better” leadership, they would have succeeded.


13 posted on 04/06/2014 9:01:51 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

very bit = every bit


14 posted on 04/06/2014 9:03:18 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: vette6387

With the current generation of upstart “progressives” invariably defining themselves as “better”...


15 posted on 04/06/2014 9:04:05 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Romney was unelectable, as shown by the fact that he wasn't elected. Maintain your delusions if you wish, but the GOP ran an unelectable liberal in 2012.

/johnny

16 posted on 04/06/2014 9:05:31 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: central_va

AMEN and AMEN!


17 posted on 04/06/2014 9:09:03 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles; All
Thank you for referencing that article ReaganÜberAlles. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

Even if Obamacare Democratcare was a major success, it remains that Constitution-ignoring Democrats wrongly established Democratcare outside the framework of the Constitution like Democrats and RINOs have been doing with most everything else for the last 60+ years.

18 posted on 04/06/2014 9:10:16 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: JRandomFreeper
Thanks for checking in.How's *your* ammo supply doing these days?
19 posted on 04/06/2014 9:11:27 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: wonkowasright

ObamaCare can never be repealed because the system it replaced was already irreparably broken. You can’t have an insurance-based system of delivering medical care in an “upside-down” demographic environment where the high cost of providing care to older people deters everyone else from signing up for a raw deal.


20 posted on 04/06/2014 9:14:05 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Gay State Conservative
It's doing just fine. Planning on running another liberal Republican in 2016?

/johnny

21 posted on 04/06/2014 9:14:46 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

22 posted on 04/06/2014 9:15:06 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Gay State Conservative
.Romney in 2012 got a million more votes than McCain did, and Obama got four million fewer than in 2008. GOP lost by five million votes instead of ten million. I'm not convinced that five million conservatives stayed home out of spite for Romney. If you have a source for that proposition I'd be interested in seeing it. (p.s. I voted for Romney)
23 posted on 04/06/2014 9:15:45 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Gay State Conservative
That's the grandfather of Obamacare. He's proven that he's all for socialized medicine.

/johnny

24 posted on 04/06/2014 9:16:04 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Sounds to me as if someone sat out. If so you too got exactly what you deserve in the commie.


25 posted on 04/06/2014 9:17:00 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Gay State Conservative
The GOP made a conscious decision in 2012 to nominate a candidate who had already been self-neutered on the one key issue that they could have ridden to victory.

But in 2012 ObamaCare's most noxious provisions still hadn't been implemented. The difference now is that we're two years further into ObamaCare, and even a lot of Americans who voted for Obama have seen the pile of sh!t known as ObamaCare up close ... and they don't like it at all.

26 posted on 04/06/2014 9:17:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: null and void

P.J. O’Rourke has said it better than anyone:

” At the core of Liberalism is the spoiled child. Miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.”

Now I ask you, doesn’t this fit your “liberal friends?” It sure fits mine.


27 posted on 04/06/2014 9:20:10 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: null and void

God, man! The reason progressive ideas have never worked in the past is simply because the wrong people were in charge.

We are the people we have been waiting for! Do you not know this???? For shame!!!


28 posted on 04/06/2014 9:20:29 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: vette6387

If only he had included envious...


29 posted on 04/06/2014 9:21:25 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

See post 15...


30 posted on 04/06/2014 9:22:38 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Nope. Not at all. How’s voting for liberal republicans working out for ya?


31 posted on 04/06/2014 9:22:49 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Alberta's Child
re: Americans don't like it (Obamacare) at all.

I'm wondering if all of these rats (both parties) deserting the sinking ship aren't onto something. That would be that the economy is not sustainable, the US is overextended in foreign situations we shouldn't be in and can't any longer defend our allies, and a long, hot summer could get very violent. They've all got foreign, mountaintop, island or gated fortresses in their portfolio.

If I were in that situation, I'd take my money and run to somewhere safe before it all comes tumblin' down.

32 posted on 04/06/2014 9:24:03 AM PDT by grania
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To: null and void

They’ll fix it...soon.....really. Cuz they are the BETTER people they have been waiting for ;)


33 posted on 04/06/2014 9:24:16 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: JRandomFreeper
That's the grandfather of Obamacare. He's proven that he's all for socialized medicine.

I'll bet you've never set foot in Massachusetts.OTOH,except for the time when the US Department of Defense was my "employer" I've lived here *all* my life.You don't have the first clue how "Romneycare" came about.

I do.

So was Romney lying when he promised to do away with OsamaObamaCare during the campaign?

And just to prove how little you know about Massachusetts politics here's a little quiz for ya:what do the last three Speakers (all Rats) of the Massachusetts House of Representatives have in common?

No fair looking it up!

34 posted on 04/06/2014 9:25:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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“That’s the grandfather of Obamacare. He’s proven that he’s all for socialized medicine.”

You need to understand that Mormonism, at it’s core, it Socialistic. So it isn’t hard to understand where Romney is coming from. Actually, pick an organized religion and I think you will find Socialism at it’s core as well. Put a “church person” in public office and you will likely find that they pursue a “socialist agenda.” The one that galls me is Reid. He should be excommunicated from the Mormon Church, but the “boys up in Salt Lake City” are hiding under there pulpits.


35 posted on 04/06/2014 9:28:39 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Gay State Conservative

“So was Romney lying”

Yes. Regardless of the question. Funny how people ignore all his 2 faced bull when it suits.


36 posted on 04/06/2014 9:29:06 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

This.


37 posted on 04/06/2014 9:33:39 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I think one common thread Republicans should jump on is that all politics are NOT local. The Dems are merely trying to get another vote for their national agenda, one more party vote in D.C. just as they did for Obamacare. And once they get that vote it’s for six years and they could give a flying whatever what their constituents think for five of those years. They’ve nationalized Congress, something that needs to be undone.

Another winning issue for pubs would be to keep our Internet free. I don’t know where they are on this but they’d better get their sorry butts on keeping the Internet before it’s too late.


38 posted on 04/06/2014 9:34:44 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: Norm Lenhart

How’s 4 more years of the destruction of this country working?


39 posted on 04/06/2014 9:35:09 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Jarhead9297

Ask Bhoner, McColnell, Cantor, Ryan and the other republicans who have the power to stop that destruction dead in it’s tracks and won’t lift a finger to do it. Rather, they keep writing him checks to get it done.

Ask Mr. Eternal Investigator who cannot seem to prosecute anything with a Dem involved. Then get back to me.


40 posted on 04/06/2014 9:38:57 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: null and void

Bill Clinton did say “The era of big government is over!” He was lying, is true, but he did “admit” that progressive policies were failed.

So, an admission that is a lie does not technically disprove your point....


41 posted on 04/06/2014 9:38:58 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

Technically.


42 posted on 04/06/2014 9:49:31 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: null and void

I disagree with the author’s assertion that “this administration could not organize a two car funeral.” They have been very adept at using the agencies (EPA, Labor, NLRB, HHS and ICE) to accomplish progressive goals that could not be achieved in Congress and are not supported by a majority of the American people. There is perhaps no greater argument to refuse to elect another Democrat as President in 2016 than to stop this subversion of democracy, representative government, federalism and the separation of powers.


43 posted on 04/06/2014 10:01:49 AM PDT by p. henry
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To: vette6387
So it isn’t hard to understand where Romney is coming from.

Another expert on Massachusetts politics? Cool! To claim your "expert" trophy why don't you take the quiz put forth in post #34?

And no fair looking it up!

44 posted on 04/06/2014 10:02:10 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Gay State Conservative
He didn't get enough votes. He was unelectable.

/johnny

45 posted on 04/06/2014 10:32:56 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Oh trust me I do agree


46 posted on 04/06/2014 10:34:23 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Norm Lenhart

Christine O’Donnell got more votes in her Senate run than Robamany in his Presidential run in Delaware. Mittens was unelectable. His 47% comment was spot on but he ran away from it like a little school girl. The real DemocRat wins when DemocRat lite is the other choice.


47 posted on 04/06/2014 10:42:18 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Jarhead9297

There’s no question that Dems are evil. I get that. But I just do not believe that us continuing to elect republicans who are repeatedly proving themselves every bit as evil is the answer.

People ignored Romney’s decades of liberalism because they felt Obama would be worse. The GOP INTENTIONALLY interpreted that as a green light to get more liberal. Now they are fully complicit.

But had we elected Romney instead, does anyone honestly think he would have disavowed his decades of liberalism once in office? The guy that replaced Kerry as the grandmaster of the flip flop would have gone right back to his Ted Kennedy loving ways and we would STILL be in hell. But then WE would be responsible.

We cannot kick the can out of this. We cannot accept lesser evil. We are far enough from the election to make it known and for actual conservatives to rise up.

If we want conservatism, we have to vote for it, not make more excuses about ‘winning’ because the ‘winners’ don’t.


48 posted on 04/06/2014 10:45:28 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“Another expert on Massachusetts politics? Cool! “

No, never claimed to be, but I do know something about Mormons.


49 posted on 04/06/2014 10:47:53 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Jarhead9297
I don't vote for liberals. If the GOP runs another liberal in 2016, I won't vote for them, either.

I'm a conservative, not a Republican.

/johnny

50 posted on 04/06/2014 10:53:13 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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