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Dear Anti-Vaxxers: You Want Pure Nature? OK, Die Young.
Time ^ | April 2 | Jeffrey Kluger

Posted on 04/06/2014 9:06:58 AM PDT by Hojczyk

None of the New York parents who are refusing to vaccinate their children today were around the city in the summer of 1916, which is good for them and good for any of the kids they might have had. It was in that summer that 27,000 children nationwide were struck by a polio outbreak, 9,300 of them in New York. Of those 9,300 victims, 2,700 died. The Salk family at 116th St. and Madison Ave. escaped the scourge, meaning that their two-year-old son Jonas was spared. History notes that when he grew up, he had a little score-settling to do with the poliovirus.

Parents who oppose vaccines are not only misinformed, they’re spoiled, having grown up in a world that stands behind the berms built by the scientists and vaccine developers who came before them. If you’ve never seen measles — or polio or whooping cough or mumps — you have the luxury of believing they don’t exist.

“We live in a very healthy community,” said one of the sublimely glib doctors cited in the Mother Jones story. “The incidence of these diseases are very low, not only here but nationwide. And so it’s safe to do a modified vaccine schedule, in my opinion.”

But the incidence of these diseases is very low precisely because most doctors and parents don’t think the way you do and do vaccinate on schedule. “We live in a very dry community,” the doctor might as well have said. “So it’s safe not to maintain the levees and flood walls that have protected us until now, in my opinion.”

And so you drown; and so unvaccinated children get sick. The words “in my opinion” are not themselves some kind of rhetorical vaccine. They can, instead, be the pathogen. Like all pathogens, they can kill.

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1 posted on 04/06/2014 9:06:58 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

I’m not an “antivaxxer” but this crap is sounding more and more like the fascist left all the time.


2 posted on 04/06/2014 9:09:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hojczyk

Only The Good Die Young
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhjNm20XbXw


3 posted on 04/06/2014 9:14:10 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: cripplecreek

One facet of the rise of Fascist America.


4 posted on 04/06/2014 9:15:15 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Hojczyk
Rascals, would you live forever?
-- Frederick the Great

I'm sure I sound insane, but I am convinced that "progress" is never going to come from government action. However, war and disease do have a pretty good track record for pushing civilization on to new heights. Death is unavoidable, and when we try to avoid it, things don't always go well.

5 posted on 04/06/2014 9:15:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Hojczyk

A letter to the editor today in our local Gannett newsrag stated the belief that autism is the result of too many vaccinations given at the same time or too close to one another.


6 posted on 04/06/2014 9:18:01 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: cripplecreek

I don’t care if YOU don’t get vaccinated, but don’t make me pay for the results. By the way, vaccines don’t cause autism.


7 posted on 04/06/2014 9:20:12 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: JimRed

When people do not act with knowledge they are acting with superstition. Might as well believe in witch doctors and magic cures.

Americans have dumbed down so far that they won’t even protect their children with proven vaccinations because someone on the magic internet told them not to, and that makes them feel smart, doing what no one else is doing.


8 posted on 04/06/2014 9:23:14 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: VanShuyten

Apparently it cause some kind of brain damage in you that affects your ability to read and comprehend.


9 posted on 04/06/2014 9:23:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hojczyk

No we are not against vac,ing our kids, just the very toxic materials used in them. With the rates of Autism on the rise, all data seems to be pointing at the materials used in treating our kids.

Materials like mercury,formaldehyde,supposed to be a dead virus, but mistakes do happen & live ones get used, need I go on.


10 posted on 04/06/2014 9:24:45 AM PDT by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25 Pacem Bello Pastoribus Canes [shepard of peace,dogs of war])
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To: Hojczyk
As a participant in the polio vaccination campaigns of the late fifties/early sixties, after years in which tens of thousands of people suffered from the disease with thousands of deaths and paralyses, and which virtually eliminated polio as a fear in the American consciousness, I would suggest people consider the many advances due to public health measures, rather than fretting about "fascist" government.

Polio is transmitted person to person, so any increase in unvaccinated people in the population increases the risk of infections.

11 posted on 04/06/2014 9:32:41 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Hojczyk

The key is “proven vaccines”. Yes some are tired and true. Others not so much. And some like like flu vaccines show no benefit. It’s become a money making machine with the usual canards and derision for those who don’t blindly trust the medical profession. I’m sorry but with so many instances of medical malpractice from Fen-Phen to the insane overdiagnosing of learning disabilities resulting in millions of child speed junkies, one is a fool not to view any of these medical mantras suspiciously.


12 posted on 04/06/2014 9:35:07 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Get ready, little lady. Hell is coming to breakfast.)
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To: cripplecreek

“You” in the general sense of “not me”, not “you” in the specific sense. I should have used “people” instead. My semantics fault.


13 posted on 04/06/2014 9:35:36 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: cripplecreek
“I’m not an “antivaxxer” but this crap is sounding more and more like the fascist left all the time.”

It's sound more and more like people that have been bought off by big pharmaceutical companies to me. And I'm not an 'antivaxxer' either, but I'm neither blind nor stupid. A 'study' that tests one vaccine at a time, when we know doctor's are frequently giving as many as eight vaccines at a time - means nothing. If you believe it does, you are either seriously naive or on a pharmaceutical payroll.

Want to convince me? Test eight at a time, just the way they are given, and then I'll believe.

And yes, I had several of these vaccines as a child. And taking them was a pain in the rear for my parents, as each one required my mother to bring us downtown on the bus. Seems our old family doctor had a rule: one at a time, come back next month for another. Wonder if he knew something?

14 posted on 04/06/2014 9:36:29 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: ClearCase_guy

I have no problem with the basic childhood vaccines that I received but have no interest in getting vaccinated against something that might or might not cause me some discomfort later in life.

As far as lifespans are concerned, I think the stats are mostly crap. In my genealogy research I’m finding lots of males in my family were living well into their 70s and 80s back into the 1500s. (before vaccinations) Females tended to die younger mostly because they spent so much of their lives pregnant. Children were the hardest hit but they didn’t have the benefit of our basic childhood vaccines OR any other modern hygiene or medicine.

As far as the title of the article is concerned it sounds like something that would ooze out of the mouth of Alan Greyson.


15 posted on 04/06/2014 9:36:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hojczyk

There are two clear sides to the vaccination dilemma, and only one side is given in the mainstream media.

DOESNT THAT TELL YOU SOMETHING?

Does the media ever explain gun rights to protect against despotic government? Ever?

Does the media ever mention the ills of society and the economy caused by illegal immigration?

Does the media ever compare numbers of dangers to health from gay promiscuity vs. consumption of fat?? Does it??

Hmmmm.

The positive on vaccinating is: some of the vaccines might make it more difficult to become infected with the disease, and some might even cause immunity, temporary or long term.

The negatives: each vaccine contains neurotoxic adjuvants and metals and preservatives, and some questionable media. Plus, many vaccines are only given from multi dose bottles (not all ingredients will be evenly dispensed over the weeks that bottle is used. The last few doses may have many more metal parts than the first), and with multiple vaccines in one, supposedly to keep from repeatedly sticking an infant with sharp needles.

The safest way to give a vaccine is to give them individually, to a perfectly healthy person with a strong and developed gut population: meaning immune system. Yet one can’t. They are only made as multiple multiples.

Also, they insist on sticking these multiple vaccines into tiny newborns, 2, 4, and 6 months old. Their immune systems / gut populations are barely forming. Their health can be compromised by tiny things at that age, even teething, and the parents can not predict which days the child’s gut population is strong enough not to affect the child’s neuro system negatively. And the reason helpless infants are given these dangerous neurotoxins? Because the pediatric association says this is the only time they can get the mothers to bring the kids in. EVEN AT GREAT RISK TO THE BRAINS OF GENERATIONS. It is too early to risk those ingredients, and so MANY vaccines, and with the rates of children with brain disorders getting close to one in 50, let us rethink this plan to poison newborns on this mass scale.

The risks for neurological chronic or disabling damage can be far greater than the risk of the disease. No one in mainstream medicine or media is properly informing parents of these risks, yet they all panic over people not vaccinating. BOTH SIDES NEED TO BE TOLD.


16 posted on 04/06/2014 9:37:32 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: CodeToad

When people do not act with knowledge they are acting with superstition. Might as well believe in witch doctors and magic cures.

Americans have dumbed down so far that they won’t even protect their children with proven vaccinations because someone on the magic internet told them not to, and that makes them feel smart, doing what no one else is doing.


Your two paragraphs contradict each other.

It is those who choose to study the neurotoxic effects of vaccine ingredients given en masse to tiny newborns who are informed, not the sheep who follow what the mainstream media insists.

What are you doing on FR anyway? CNN and MSNBC can give you all the trusted mainstream info you need.


17 posted on 04/06/2014 9:40:52 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

“What are you doing on FR anyway? CNN and MSNBC can give you all the trusted mainstream info you need.”

You’re an idiot for even saying such a stupid thing. If you think you are so smart as to not vaccinate your children, you need professional help.

Don’t know what makes you so stupid, but it really works.


18 posted on 04/06/2014 9:43:53 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: cripplecreek

Okay, here is the deal. It is your right to not vaccinate. But, if you or your family is infected, it is my right to protect myself from you, which includes stopping you from threatening me with your diseases.


19 posted on 04/06/2014 9:44:00 AM PDT by sagar
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To: Yaelle

“neurotoxic effects of vaccine ingredients “

You don’t have the education to even know what those words mean. You just follow the conspiracy theory crowd like third-world masses follow witch doctors.


20 posted on 04/06/2014 9:44:59 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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