Posted on 04/10/2014 11:32:07 AM PDT by xzins
I understand your position, but what about “public” land? Simply because it is public, would mean, under your position, that hell it’s public, anybody can do anything they want on public land. You and I both know that cannot be allowed. So how do we protect OUR PUBLIC lands from idiots who dump, squatters, etc.?
and what is really eye opening is all the “boy scouts” here on FR (and other supposed conservative sites I have been on) that are up in arms over this high crime of cows eating scrub grass for free!
You can attempt to apply grammar to all this for fun, but why not stick to the arguments. How silly are you.
Good job, taxcontrol. Soooo many posters refuse to address the simple issue, but want to divert to larger emotional issues which have nothing to do failure or refusal to pay the fees due, and the ramifications of no doing so.
Although Bundy pulled a stupid move by stopping payment, he should have sued years ago to get this settled. This whole situation was not as though suddenly one evening the BLM jackboots parachuted in and surprised Bundy. Bundy had full knowledge for years of the results for failing to pay. Yet so many posters refuse to acknowledge this and continually attempt to turn this into a federal government overreach problem.
This is mistaken. The Gold Butte ACEC (Area of Critical Environmental Concern) takes a large part of the Bunkerville range.
I've combined maps showing the Gold Butte ACEC[1], Bunkerville[2], and a relief map. The maps overlay each other using I-15 and Lake Mead for alignment and scaling. Although not perfect it is close.
[1] See page 31 of the BLM Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone,
These ranchers have pulled many a Jeep out of mud bogs. Public lands around ranches are better because of the cattle operations.
Now consider a ranch on the Arizona Mexico border. There you will find dumping and trash. As well as an invasion of foreign nationals.
IMHO the Bundy family operation is good for We the People who own the public land. The fedgov failed us miserably in the border states. That is where your concerns are a clear and present danger. The government allows trainloads of trash dumped by foreign national invaders, on private property no less.
I reject the notion that any branch of the fedgov is worthy of controlling anything.
Oh well. So much for that.
High Crimes and Misdemeanors! It doesn’t rise to that level when Bill Clinton lies under oath, but it does when your cows eat prickly pear.
No high crimes and misdemeanors when your ATF sells weapons intentionally to get people in the US and Mexico killed so you can lie “see those dirty guns coming from US gun shops”, but it is when you’ve lived in the middle of no place with no one around for miles, your grandpappy had open range, your pappy had open range, and you had open range, and suddenly they want your cows to stop eating their grass.
That will call out SWAT, Snipers, Shooters, Tazers, Helicopters....and somewhere close by I’m betting they have some kind of APC.
But — not lying to Congress. Not getting ambassadors assassinated. Not persecuting Christians. Not persecuting conservatives. That won’t call out the guns. But cows will.
It’s ALL caused by them DAMN COWS! Kill the cows, baby!
Since you did not factually address or refute anything in my statement, I’m not sure what your response is supposed to mean. Do you think the federal government should have unlimited power to own real estate?
National Parks are not included on the list of uses for which the federal government is empowered by the constitution to purchase/own land.
The issue is that there is a man being thrown off his property at gun point and being dispossessed of his business so that another business may benefit.
Excerpt from "Cattle Trespass Impacts"[1]
Cliven Bundy has no legal authority to graze cattle on federal lands in the Gold Butte area, including Lake Mead National Recreation Area. The U.S. District Court of Nevada has permanently enjoined Cliven Bundy's trespass grazing, ordered him to remove his trespass cattle from public lands inside and outside the former Bunkerville Allotment (including from the Lake Mead NRA) before December 2013, and stated the U.S. is entitled to seize and impound any cattle that have not been removed by the judicially imposed off-date and that remain in trespass. A large number of the trespass cattle on the federal lands are feral cattle that can pose a threat to members of the public recreating or traveling over the federal lands. The trespass cattle have also caused damage to private property, as well as to the federal lands and natural resources.What Non-Governmental Organization has expressed concern about trespass cattle on Gold Butte interfering with mitigation efforts required by solar development at the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone (SEZ)?Examples of Restoration Funding and Viability Impacted
Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.
There is one pending solar application within the Dry Lake SEZ (Application 84052, for a 919 acre parabolic trough facility).[2]
The applicant is NV Power Co. and the application, NVN-084052, is on hold [3]
[1] http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/lvfo/blm_programs/more/trespass_cattle/cattle_trespass_impacts.html
Retrieved from Google cache
[2] http://blmsolar.anl.gov/sez/nv/dry-lake/
[3] http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/lvfo/blm_programs/energy/southern_nevada_reco.html
You will get no arguement from me that there are many overreaches and failures of our government. Many are clear injustices and should be procecuted. However, moving a herd of cattle off a section of public lands when the owner has not paid his grazing fees for the better part of 20 years is well within the ownership and constitutional rights of the government.
Calling out 200 personnel and snipers and “free speach zones” is an over reaction on the part of the government. Likely this could have been handled by half a dozen deputies like any other eviction or serving of court documents.
Did you mean to post to me?
If so, my posts were questions of important substance. (Silly you.)
Whether the bundys have an ownership stake in these lands, is a central part of this dispute.
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“Calling out 200 personnel and snipers and “free speach zones” is an over reaction on the part of the government”
over reaction. hmmm. I could think of a better explanation on what Gov. is doing here.
Rather than throw their muscle around the government could just buy out Bundy’s interests.
Rather than throw their muscle around the government could just buy out Bundy’s interests.
And that's the point. The BLM has been buying the land at pennies on the dollar. Because the fees paid to BLM (for grazing rights, etc.), and the legislation levied (i.e. EPA), have made those lands basically worthless.
So, because of the fracking, solar projects etc., the government is squeezing Bundy out of his grazing rights to obtain the land for x. Whom ever "x" is at the moment.
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“I’m screaming at the TV set “where’s your damn law on Holder being in contempt, on Benghazi, over Fast and Furious, on IRS, on 37 violations of Obamacare and list goes on and on”. Last serious accounting I saw was over 100 violations of law by this administration and many people dead! Watergate is a picnic in comparison.”
well put. Don’t give us that crapabout “it is the law” EVER!!
It appeared to me that you tweeked the poster who said that essentially, the BLM was giving away Bundy’s grazing rights..., which appeared to be that you were indicating an admission by the poster, and hence, that grazing rights cannot be given away.
When in fact the poster more correctly should have said the rights were lost. It was clear what the poster meant, and twisting words does not change the overall intent of the remark by the poster.
Thanks.
If you look past the surface, through the sheen of legality, there is a web of corruption with politicians, judges, administrators, all scratching each others backs. This whole thing is smokey back room graft.
(By the way, I am of sound mind and body. Just sayin)
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