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Supporters gather to defend Bundy ranch in Nevada, FAA enacts no-fly zone
RT ^ | April 11, 2014

Posted on 04/11/2014 10:56:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

An intense showdown in the state of Nevada between a family of ranchers and federal agents continues to escalate after a longstanding land dispute two decades in the making came to a head earlier this month.

As RT reported earlier this week, hundreds of armed agents with the United States Bureau of Land Management and the Federal Bureau of Investigation have descended on the Clark County, Nevada ranch of 67-year-old Cliven Bundy to execute the court-ordered confiscation of nearly 1,000 cattle, according to his family, which the US government says have trespassed on federal property.

The Washington Free Beacon newspaper reported on Monday this week that 234 of the 908 cattle had been wrangled up by government agents and their contractors, and news of the dispute has since further propelled the story into the national spotlight.

According to a notice posted by the Federal Aviation Administration a no-fly zone was enacted for a 3-square-mile area around the site of the Bundy's ranch. That advisory would remain in effect from April 11 until May 11.

Local cowboys have retrieved some of the confiscated cattle according to several reports, and supporters of the Bundy ranch from around the region have flocked to Nevada to stand by their side.

Since the Beacon first reported on the standoff earlier the week, tensions have only worsened in Clark County. Video emerged online on Wednesday of the rancher’s son, Ammon Bundy, bloodied after being shocked by an electric Taser used by authorities, and Desert News reported that, according to Cliven Bundy, his own sister was knocked to the ground by officials moments before cameras began to roll.

One witness, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal, told reporters that “Serious bloodshed was narrowly avoided” as a pregnant woman was also roughed up during the ordeal.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bundyranch; fascism; harryreid; neilkornze; nevada; tyranny
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1 posted on 04/11/2014 10:56:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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“We never did have any hand-to-hand combat this morning or up to his time,” Mr. Bundy told the newspaper on Thursday afternoon. “But there’s like 200 armed military people on my ranch. That’s pretty bad to have that much armed force against American people.”

“We need to be the barrier between the oppressed and the tyrants,” Ryan Payne told the Review-Journal. “Expect to see a band of soldiers.”

“Several US senators and the state of Nevada this week also criticized what has been called the result of an “overreaching” agency acting overzealously, but federal officials say the rancher’s cattle are simply not allowed to roam on the disputed land, which the government insists is federal property. According to the BLM, Bundy owes around $1 million in fees that he’s incurred since 1993 when he lost his grazing permit for the chunk of land that had been in his family since the 1870s.”


2 posted on 04/11/2014 10:58:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

The irony is rich. This administration has applauded violent popular (or astroturfed) civil disorder against established authority. It seems that for ‘wogs’, not civilized tyrannies.


3 posted on 04/11/2014 10:59:06 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Welcome to medieval rule and plunder. This is just another epic scandal from the group that doesn’t give a care about our rights or any US laws for that matter.


4 posted on 04/11/2014 11:00:22 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Real Americans Are Ready To Snap
5 posted on 04/11/2014 11:02:14 PM PDT by blam
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To: Jim Robinson

The alphabet-soup army is poised to massacre
all those who dare to endanger the poor
little desert tortoise.


6 posted on 04/11/2014 11:03:26 PM PDT by WKTimpco
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, which story are they going with?

The trespassing killers of the turtles or the overdue renters ?

Liars....


7 posted on 04/11/2014 11:03:51 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jackboots everywhere you look. They’re as bad as the corrupt people who give them their marching orders.


8 posted on 04/11/2014 11:08:46 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Jim Robinson

Sure to make Obama look even better on the world scene.


9 posted on 04/11/2014 11:12:48 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Jim Robinson

every patriot owned small aircraft within 200 miles should spend all day tomorrow violating the so-called No Fly zone . F um


10 posted on 04/11/2014 11:13:35 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Jim Robinson

In Russia Putin would have rounded up all those cattle personally. Bare chested, of course.


11 posted on 04/11/2014 11:15:38 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Jim Robinson

http://www.futurnamics.com/reid_bundyranch.php


12 posted on 04/11/2014 11:16:08 PM PDT by advertising guy ( <------------- lotta white in here ------------>)
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To: Jim Robinson

Mentioned on another thread: The border patrol uses beanbag rounds on illegal aliens crossing into this country, but is readying to use Apache attack helicopters here on US citizens. In case anyone wanted a sense of federal priorities.


13 posted on 04/11/2014 11:18:25 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Jim Robinson
can't have any civilian/non-military choppers in the air, the
truth may reveal itself..despite Reid's thuggery/machinations.

14 posted on 04/11/2014 11:54:25 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: Jim Robinson

I can’t wait until a Democrat stands up and say’s the rule of law must be upheld.

This whole story makes me barf.


15 posted on 04/11/2014 11:57:27 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (Islamunism = Facism + Islam : Islamunist = someone that adheres to Islamunism.)
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To: Usagi_yo

Cliven Bundy and his son Ammon are my new heroes. Real men. Men willing to fight for a principle.


16 posted on 04/12/2014 12:28:32 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: Jim Robinson

The motherf@cker in the white house and his lick-spittle Harry Reid are about to pee on an electric fence. Hilarity ensues.


17 posted on 04/12/2014 12:32:51 AM PDT by 60Gunner (Fight with your head high, or grovel with your head low.)
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To: 60Gunner

I agree with you. But please stop with the profanity.


18 posted on 04/12/2014 12:53:47 AM PDT by deks (Sent from my BlackBerry Q10)
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To: 60Gunner

Hillary ensues.


19 posted on 04/12/2014 12:58:54 AM PDT by glock rocks (If you like your health plan, you're a racist !)
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To: deks

I apologize.


20 posted on 04/12/2014 1:03:52 AM PDT by 60Gunner (Fight with your head high, or grovel with your head low.)
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To: WKTimpco
The alphabet-soup army is poised to massacre all those who dare to endanger the poor little desert tortoise

Just Obama's minion protecting the sacred symbol of their Emperor!


22 posted on 04/12/2014 1:37:25 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: Fear The People

First, it will certainly result in buildings burning in DC if this gets too out of hand and second, as for Americans being wimps, we’re slow to anger, it’s a part of our Christian heritage.


23 posted on 04/12/2014 1:38:02 AM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Jim Robinson

All this ‘action’ over 1000 head of cattle and a million dollars in grazing fees paid to the state, instead of the federal government?

People need to keep this all in perspective.

Any act that refuses the payment of TAXes/FEE will result in your death. The government will kill you if you do not pay-up and confiscate your livelihood.

Just consider when one posts about ‘starving the beast’ etc. the consequences the government will extract against you.


24 posted on 04/12/2014 1:59:35 AM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: flaglady47

It’s not principle, he just shouldn’t be treated that way. I don’t know the merits of his case. Whether it’s gone to court or not. If not, then he’s on the wrong side, but still shouldn’t be treated that way.

Did it go to Scotus? If so, he didn’t exhaust his legal recourse. Did he try for a stay? Or did he just ignore them.


25 posted on 04/12/2014 2:01:43 AM PDT by Usagi_yo (Islamunism = Facism + Islam : Islamunist = someone that adheres to Islamunism.)
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To: Jim Robinson

26 posted on 04/12/2014 2:46:41 AM PDT by Textide
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To: Textide
NOTAM link: http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_1687.html

From the NOTAM: No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described). ONLY RELIEF AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS UNDER DIRECTION OF BLM ARE AUTHORIZED IN THE AIRSPACE

27 posted on 04/12/2014 2:48:36 AM PDT by Textide
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To: Fear The People

Yeah and those were back in a more gentle time in terms of police states....these days it seems almost a given that this will end badly.


28 posted on 04/12/2014 3:35:30 AM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: LeoWindhorse
every patriot owned small aircraft within 200 miles should spend all day tomorrow violating the so-called No Fly zone.

Civilian operated drones would also be useful in the area to document what the fedgov is doing.

29 posted on 04/12/2014 4:02:21 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Jim Robinson
“...which the government insists is federal property. “

Any invaders from a foreign country trespassing on “federal property” on their way to stealing citizenship and federal rights and federal welfarefrom Americans?

30 posted on 04/12/2014 4:21:57 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

One angle that can be played up is an announcement that patriotic Americans certainly agree with Eric Holder’s statement that state AG’s should not enforce whatever laws they don’t believe in. It follows that individual Patriotic Americans also reserve that right not to follow and support what ever unjust laws Holder, the EPA, BLM, BATF, ect happen to support!

If the US’s top law enforcement lawyer advocates selective lawlessness, so should the American people!

PS: I’m not really advocating total anarchy...just trying to point out Holder’s increasingly indefensible positions.


31 posted on 04/12/2014 4:24:07 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: 60Gunner; All

“Hilarity ensues”

“Hillary”-arity stands in the shadows I fear...


32 posted on 04/12/2014 4:26:56 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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And I’ll bet some Russians are thinking, “I never thought of that.”...

Only in Amerika.

One aspect no one is writing about: The election year aspect of this. It really is too convenient of timing if you think about it. The real question is who are calling the shots here: BLM or puppet’s staff at the WH...


33 posted on 04/12/2014 4:29:39 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Jim Robinson

A federal government is clearly too big when a “land management” agency can afford to have its own sniper team. A government has more money than it needs to conduct its core functions is a government that will busy itself with finding more things to control and ways to extend its power. This is the Iron Law of bureaucracy.

A government that can create its own money does not have to ask taxpayers for permission to spend more to feed its self-serving bureaucratic activities. When states start calling for a Convention to consider amendments to the Constitution, the first topic must be to restrain federal spending. A government that must live within its means is a government that must focus on the important things rather than imposing evermore intrusive laws and regulations having the weight of law.

Every day more people are coming to the judgment that a carefully organized effort to repair the constitution via the States’ power to propose and ratify amendments has less risk to our liberty and prosperity than the present trajectory of the federal government and especially the federal bureaucracy.


35 posted on 04/12/2014 5:04:18 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: mac_truck

“Civilian operated drones would also be useful in the area to document what the fedgov is doing.”

You can BET that any pilot daring to violate this zone will lose their ticket.

However, if you use a drone, make SURE it has a sticker on it, or a sign with a POLITCAL Statement on it.

ALL political speech is protected speech. If the Feds shoot it down, someone will make some money on the 1st Amendment lawsuit, at least.


36 posted on 04/12/2014 5:22:28 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: mac_truck

Many large cattle outfits already use drones to monitor their herds. I hope there are rancher owned drones up and recording what is happening


37 posted on 04/12/2014 5:22:50 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Jim Robinson

FNC is covering this now. Bob Massi is reporting a history of Fed land in NV and the ranches there. With 82% of NV land managed by the Feds where else are they to graze their cattle he points out.


38 posted on 04/12/2014 5:26:25 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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Topped off my magazines and repacked my gear. May be taking a road trip to Nevada...

Sayin’ prayers left and right Jim, but it looks like Jehovah may want us to work this one out on our own.


39 posted on 04/12/2014 5:38:14 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: Jim Robinson

a very simple solution....take the farmers to court, and if the courts deem it a legal action, then issue a court order to force the cattle off the land....but to resort to guns is outrageous.....


40 posted on 04/12/2014 5:43:15 AM PDT by B212
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To: Dead Corpse

Bttt


41 posted on 04/12/2014 6:10:20 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: EBH

I have done my part to starve this beast. I have reduced my income to right at $20k per year from about $80k. I’ll pay in much less.


42 posted on 04/12/2014 6:20:57 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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Wow, I checked out the link. Harry Reid makes a pig sty look clean. The scene in the Godfather II (IIRC) where the Senator of Nevada is found with a dead hooker in the whore house always reminded me of Reid. The thugs of Nevada must have the goods on him.


43 posted on 04/12/2014 6:51:14 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: B212

Bundy has been to court and lost every time for the last 20+ years.

He is simply someone who doesn’t want to pay what he owes and has a constantly changing set of excuses why he shouldn’t pay his legally accrued debts. Instead of working to find a solution, he has escalated his behavior and grazed cattle on additional new lands to which his family has no historical claim. If he was sincerely concerned with abuse of the Federal government, he would have refused as a matter of principle to use their resources years ago. Instead he kept milking the same corrupt system for his own gain.

Even if he had put his back lease fees in escrow, I could have some sympathy for him and believe he was acting in good faith. Instead he tried to be clever and knowingly attempted to pay the wrong authority once and when they refused to accept, he used that as an excuse to never try to pay anyone ever again. that to me sounds like he was just looking for a way to renege on his debts while being able to say “hey I tried to pay someone”.

I am amazed that so called law respecting Conservatives are rallying behind him. If Bundy was replaced by a dirty hippie commune trying the same thing, most of us would be up in arms about them stealing from taxpayers. The eagerness of militias to come to his defense and risk violence is not going to sit well with John Q. Public and plays right into the hands of liberal memes about dangerous violent right wing extremists. He has already had his days in court and lost over and over again. I hope I am 100% wrong but in the end I fear this will set the Conservative movement back years.


44 posted on 04/12/2014 7:20:19 AM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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To: Jim Robinson

How sad. A more complete story from the Russian State Media than from the American Start5e Media.


45 posted on 04/12/2014 7:49:21 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: XRdsRev

Let’s just say they confiscate 1000 head and sell at market price of about 1000$ per head for about 1M$. (The numbers are simply for rough figgerin.) Now, will they stick Bundy for any shortage or credit him with any overage?

For sure, the former, and sure as hell not, the latter.


46 posted on 04/12/2014 7:53:36 AM PDT by SgtHooper
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Your characterizations leave out some important facts.

Bundy family established rights to that land through blood an sweat, prior to ANY legal authority.

As a state and county authority began to emerge they codified water, grazing and access rights.

Then came BLM. Changed all the rules and let them know there is a new master in town.

Bundy contends his rights both predate and supersede the Feds/BLM.

Legal or not, it's not an unreasonable position.

47 posted on 04/12/2014 8:05:24 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Working land does not give you title to it. The new area he has been grazing is an area he did not use prior to losing his 1998 court case. From the 50s on, he accepted the BLM’s authority to set grazing limits. If you spend decades paying someone to use their land, it is hard to then claim you own the land because you have been using it!

And remember, he first rejected paying the BLM after 12 years of Republican Presidents had managed the BLM, including 8 years of Ronald Reagan.

If he had argued water rights or some other principle, he might have made a case. But arguing that the federal government didn’t own the land, when the Nevada State Constitution specifically says they do, is a tough sale to a court...


48 posted on 04/12/2014 8:18:23 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: Mr Rogers

“Working land does not give you title to it.”

How, precisely, did the feds end up with the title to that land? East of the Mississippi there are treaties and land sales recorded where land was ‘bought’ from the Native American tribes who lived there. Is there any such record of this land being purchased from the Native Americans in that area?


49 posted on 04/12/2014 8:23:28 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

“How, precisely, did the feds end up with the title to that land? “

It was acquired from a treaty with Mexico, ending the Mexican War. Most of the west was acquired that way.

As a condition for allowing Nevada to become a state, Congress required the new state to “forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States”.

The federal government did try to give the land away for many years, but in Nevada, water is more important than land.


50 posted on 04/12/2014 8:38:34 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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