Agreed. Some people just don’t seem to get the bottom line....until Bundy pays the fees he legally owes, he is stealing from US taxpayers.
As I said in an earlier thread..if the Bundy family were a bunch of stinky leftist hippies doing the exact same thing, many who defend Bundy on this board and media folks like Mr. Hannity would be calling them outlaws and thieves.
You can’t excuse lawbreaking just because you identify and sympathize with the lawbreaker.
Bundy has paid fees to the Nevada county. The real story is why now are they trying to squeeze Bundy off the land.
This is not about fees or cattle or turtles. It’s Harry Reid minions pulling the strings for a business deal with the Chinese.
Spoken like a true Progressive. What do grazing fees accomplish other than raising the price of beef? The BLM doesn't use if for land management anymore. No one owes anything to the "US taxpayer."
As I said in an earlier thread..if the Bundy family were a bunch of stinky leftist hippies doing the exact same thing, many who defend Bundy on this board and media folks like Mr. Hannity would be calling them outlaws and thieves.
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I won’t speak up for Hannity because you are probably correct there. He tests the wind and follows it IMO, and has a tedious abundance of opportunity to speak for himself.
I will speak up for many others on this board though, who WOULD have defended Bundy and his family if they were “a bunch of stinky leftist hippies doing the same thing”.
Bundy has an argument. Not a strong one, and based on archaic and even abandoned law, however wise or unwise it was to abandon those laws. He -should- have been paying in even while the fees were in dispute, IMO. Regardless, for the sake of argument say he is in the wrong.
That does not justify the abuse of others, the burlesque of lethal state threat and intimidation, the express malice, the attempted curtailment of the 1st Amendment on EVERYONE, and denial of use of the area to EVERYONE by the federal minions.
A guy parks in a no parking zone with his family. HE HAS BROKEN THE LAW! ‘Law Enforcement’ drags him out of the car and puts the muzzle of a pistol to his forehead and draws back the hammer until it clicks in place. Meanwhile his sister is dragged out and thrown to the ground, his sons pulled out, beaten up and one is detained (never arrested), the gathering crowd of observers are threatened with snipers, dogs, and tasers, and told to shut up and back off.
In America.
This isn’t about the illegal parking anymore.
This is about American ‘law enforcement’.
That is what -most- people here understand and are speaking up about. They have done it for ‘stinky hippies’ many, many times. Homeless people, mentally ill people, black people, brown people and others on many many threads where ‘law enforement’ was expressed as summary beatings or even summary executions.
My understanding is that the Bundy family are Mormons. I don’t like Mormons. The reasons are irrelevant. I support the Bundy family in this. It doesn’t matter to me that they are Mormons. It doesn’t matter to me that, IMO, their legal arguments are invalid. Why? Because the ‘law enforcement’ being applied to them is insanely disproportionate, sadistic, Statist, and not to be countenanced. In the totality of these circumstances, anyone who would not support the Bundy family against the clones in sunglasses has no comprehension of liberty, due process, or proportion.
“First they came for the stinky leftist hippies, and I didn’t say anything, because I was not a stinky leftist hippy.” Oh, but that is untrue. That lesson has been learned over the years. MANY on this board have that lesson NAILED.
I don’t care if they are Mormons, stinky hippies, Zoroastrians, or watch game shows and make puns. They were and are worthy of defense, and most of us here in one way or another have defended them. The REAL hard part is praying for the clones in sunglasses, and struggling to not hate them. That I will plead guilty to. I truly hate those sons of bitches.
Perhaps we can explain, XR, why the feds decide to pull out as soon as other info about Harry Reid and additional BLM takings in Red River Texas and elsewhere are beginning to surface.
Maybe we should wonder why this being picked up throughout the news under the heading of Cops Gone Wild also seems to have led to BLM’s departure.
And maybe we should wonder if the many discussions that are being had about the imposition of the government on age old land usage customs has somewhere struck a real legal nerve of those who recognize there’s a case here.
And finally, we should wonder if all the debate about the government “owning us” is making them sweat.
Occupy Wall street sympathizers seem to have invaded freeperland.
It is not about the fees, it is not even their land. Read the treaty that transferred the land to the United States from Mexico.
God forbid someone steals from the thieves that stole and profited from the people who were raped to begin with.
Twisted, ain’t it?