Posted on 04/13/2014 4:13:28 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen
--snip-- This was Thursday night and the two were part of a community meeting on the recent highly publicized violent incidents at the school, including a couple of lunchtime brawls and an assault on a conflict-resolution specialist by a 17-year-old student. Yes, a man charged to keep the peace got his skull fractured.
At the start of the meeting, God got a shout-out by one of the speakers. It probably wasn't a bad idea. Given the disagreements over what caused the problems at Bartram, and what it's going to take to fix them, divine intervention may be the only solution. And please, baby Jesus, keep what happened at Bartram from playing out at other understaffed and consolidated schools.
(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...
and ‘worship’ has become hip swaying, hand clapping pseudo rock n’ roll.
No one suing the school for any "equal access" bullshit, no suing the school because a teacher physically stopped a fight from happening or yelling at a student to behave.
Back then parents backed the teachers if their kids screwed up in school and the punishment wasn't just a detention - we got punished at home too.
Yep, this country has gone to shit.
I remember battle ax Barron ... 5th grade .... not young, and heavy set
Gym Teacher Threesome Accusations Scandalize New York City High School
Three’s a crowd for one former New York City gym teacher.
According to court papers, 31-year-old Carisa Gaylardo, a former probationary physical education teacher at the Riverdale/Kingsbridge Academy in The Bronx, charges that her boss, Sofia Memos, gave her an unsatisfactory rating and ultimately fired her after Gaylardo turned down a request to spend some very intimate time with Memos and her boyfriend.
Gaylardo alleges that the 41-year-old Memos harassed her “by text message and in person to engage in an inappropriate romantic and salacious relationship with her and her boyfriend.”
The former gym teacher also purports that Memos told school officials that Gaylardo had a “flirtatious” relationship with a female student she’d been mentoring. That accusation was made in March 2013, just one month after Gaylardo “had rejected her advances,” the lawsuit says.
We all worship differently - I believe the crux of it is not give Him worship. It is an act not for ourselves per se, but for God. He should be the focus. It is something He deserves.
However, I am with you in some way on this. Although I am no longer Catholic, some of the older, more majestic hymns such as "Holy Holy Holy" were more dignified in my opinion for who God is. And although I don't denigrate some for being outward with their hand or arm movements during worship, that just isn't the way I feel comfortable when approaching God. Again, I don't demean their approach - but to me, the dignity and reverence of approaching God merits a joyful approach, a reverent approach, and a personal approach.
The sometimes bombastic and frivolous approaches I sometimes see in other churches make me uncomfortable, because I feel there is something in them that puts the focus on the individual, rather than God. But again, the Bible speaks of dance and joy before the Lord, so I don't want to take that away. I try and always remember who God is. Jesus is personal to me, but He isn't trivial, nor should He be treated that way.
I grew up Roman Catholic, but I am now an evangelical Christian
Yes, God does love us unconditionally.
He has given us free will and will allow us to shoot ourselves in the foot. Sending children into godless schools has consequences.
We have the same heart on this one. I feel it in my bones.
Even when I was in school, I used to ask myself, How can they teach us one thing in one class, and the opposite thing in another class? Who's in charge?
I couldn't find answers to these questions. I even tried suppressing the thoughts, but by the grace of God, that didn't work, either. Fortunately, I eventually came upon some strands of truth in my 20s and pursued them until I could put the entire picture together. The final piece of the puzzle was Gatto's "Underground History of American Education."
I once described my tortured relationship with schooling to a liberal public school advocate. She said, "Well, that was your problem." "What?" "You thought too much." I couldn't find words to respond. If that doesn't represent the triumph of modern schooling, what does?
I just think about the popular image of the "dark" medieval Scholastic period, with its classical curriculum that centered around grammar and logic, and today's grab-bag of nothingness.
Amen!
imo
Absolutely. Thanks be to God we were able to send our children to faith-based private schools.
You have done what is righteous and good for the salvation of your children's souls...BUT...their votes will be swamped by the tsunami of voters who were indoctrinated in the godless government schools.
God has given us free will and free will has consequences.
Thanks for the link.
No more info about the guy who got his head bashed, but it wasn’t really that kind of article.
I like how our author totally buried the lead, as they say, putting the 2 mom’s desire to take their kids out of the public schools until the very end of the piece.
But I must say, even leaving God and religion aside, the difference between schools that work and schools that don’t isn’t just a coat of paint on the walls.
I’ve been listening to NPR a lot, because I have a long and arduous commute now and for whatever sad reason NYC drive time radio is dead. (Who let THAT happen?) Right now, imho, Fresh Air with Terri Gross which I hear on Sirius, is the best show available.
But of course sometimes it’s just unlistenable liberal swill, like the fellow she had on the other day. I turned him off almost immediately, so I don’t know his name or the name of his book or anything.
His theory is (and he may be right in part) that criminals have some mental problems and these affect them through their whole lives. His recommendation was to put these violent people in nicer places than prisons, that a better environment could help them.
And I’m thinking, boy you are an idiot, prisons are violent places because they are filled with these violent people. And if his theory is correct, that there are physical brain issues involved there may be even less that can be done with these people that we’ve thought.
No matter where you would incarcerate these people, it would soon end up just like the prisons of today are, because the inmates themselves would make it that way.
This piece reminds me of that mind-set.
I apologize in advance if I’ve mi-represented the man’s views, but I don’t think I have. I’m sorry to say I think he had the intellectual power of the hot-chocolate drinking, plaid onesie wearing, Obama-boy.
If the people in the inner cities think people like that are ever going to change their lives, schools, or neighborhoods for the better, they should think again. Liberals are, at the very best, useless.
When government schools are godless they are teaching godlessness. The children MUST think and reason godlessly just to cooperate in the godless classroom.
Yet,... if government schools were to teach a God-centered worldview, what specific religious worldview should be chosen?
And...Please remember that generic and lukewarm is offensive to many Christians. The Bible warns that Christ spits the lukewarm out of His mouth.
Considering that the Lordship of Jesus Christ is made reference to (“Lord” is to be found exactly once - and in that context - in a full quotation of the Constitution) by the framers, whatever the Constitution does mean, it does NOT intend the denigration of Christianity in general.Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who that is a sincere friend to it can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?
Promote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.
Mrs Clapper, my 8th grade Latin teacher. Dick Butkus' older, stronger, meaner sister.
BUT.... I still remember some of the Latin she taught me in 1960.
For that I say, "THANK YOU MRS. CLAPPER!"
Well.....That couldn't possibly happen in socialist government schools.
Only in private schools can truth boldly be proclaimed backed by the non-lukewarm and non-generic religious teaching that support it.
Woe, to this nation that sends its children into godless schools!. And...Woe, to those parents who agree to this abomination!
What specific "religious teaching" would you have the kids taught?
What is the difference between religious and Godless teaching as regards English?
How about math and science.. how does religious VS Godless teaching differ?
Re: Specific religious teaching
No school can be religiously neutral. Government schools are not now and never have been. The only solution that is compatible with the First Amendment and freedom of conscience is to begin the process of privatizing all education in the nation. In a totally private system, the parents would choose an educational setting for the child that best supports their values.
Re: Godless teaching and English
I am assuming that you mean literature. There is almost no fiction written that doesn't involve the breaking or keeping of one or more of the Ten Commandments and the consequences of this action. In my Catholic school the moral conflicts found in literature were analyzed through the prism of our religious beliefs. There was no hesitation to bring into the discussion our scriptures and the writing of our church leaders. In a totally private system of education delivery, parents would choose schools that best support their values through the literature chosen and the class discussion that follows.
Re: Math and Science
Again I must refer back to the 14 years that I spent in Catholic parochial schools and universities. While for the most part, the classes were dryly fact based, when appropriate, the students were reminded that math and science were a reflection of God's glory. It was our duty before God to learn as much about mathematics and the natural world as possible, not only to enrich our lives spiritually but to use this knowledge to serve others. In a fully private system, parents would choose schools that best supported their religious and philosophic worldview.
Conclusion:
It is IMPOSSIBLE for any government school to be religiously, culturally, or politically neutral. No school can be. When government involves itself in education it violates the First Amendment and freedom of conscience rights of those who are forced to attend the non-neutral government school and those who are under police threat to fund the government's NON-neutral worldview.
Solution: Begin the process of privatizing all education.
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