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Rangeley fire chief tells Senate subcommittee people ‘vaporized’ in Quebec rail disaster
bangordailynews.com ^ | April 09, 2014, at 6:25 p.m. | Nick Sambides Jr., BDN Staff

Posted on 04/13/2014 8:40:38 PM PDT by BenLurkin

The explosion destroyed six city blocks. Several of the 30 burning buildings were incinerated. Many ruptured tanker cars were bunched together like folds in an accordion. Still others, intact, could detonate at any second, and Pellerin could tell that much of the 1.5 million gallons of spilled oil had ignited and poured through the small Quebec town like lava.

Canadian firefighters told Pellerin that “they actually saw people step out of their homes and be vaporized by the [burning] oil,” Pellerin told the U.S. Senate Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee in Washington on Wednesday

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada
KEYWORDS: lacmegantic; quebec; rail

1 posted on 04/13/2014 8:40:38 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
Video or it didn't happen.

/johnny

2 posted on 04/13/2014 8:56:11 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: BenLurkin

Pipelines are infinitely safer than rail cars. Sierra Club types don’t want us building pipelines.


3 posted on 04/13/2014 8:57:04 PM PDT by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You’d really want to see video of that?


4 posted on 04/13/2014 8:57:19 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: 50sDad
Probably because they are safer.
5 posted on 04/13/2014 8:58:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
No, but it's my way of calling bullshit.

I doubt people were vaporized by burning oil as they stepped out of their house.

My grandfather was working on an oil rig that hit a gas pocket. It ignited. He lasted 2 weeks. 2 horrible weeks.

He damn sure wasn't vaporized.

/johnny

6 posted on 04/13/2014 9:00:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 50sDad
"Pipelines are infinitely safer than rail cars. Sierra Club types don’t want us building pipelines."

But the pipeliners aren't contributing to the politically correct campaigns like the modern day 'Rockefellers' are.

7 posted on 04/13/2014 9:37:58 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: BenLurkin

Call it the Buffet tax. He’s the one profiting most from rail-based oil transport, and seems to have the ear of this administration.


8 posted on 04/13/2014 10:16:46 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: AZLiberty

Oops, make that Buffett, not Buffet.


9 posted on 04/13/2014 10:17:49 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

OK, they were incinerated.


10 posted on 04/13/2014 10:19:34 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I don’t think the fire chief meant, “vaporized”, as in an instantaneous combustion. He probably meant it in terms of the degree of combustion. Once the people in the town were set afire by the oil, they were consumed until nothing substantial was left.

I think we can also accept some degree of exaggeration considering these people were ones he knew, and possibly were related to.


11 posted on 04/13/2014 10:34:14 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: AZLiberty
This was a Canadian railway. They left the unattended train parked on a grade overnight with one engine idling to keep the brake pressure up. That engine caught fire, the fire department came and put the fire out, and the engine was shut off. When the brakes released, the train rolled downgrade into Lac Megantic.

I don't know what share of that railroad Buffet owned, but it went bust. If I recall correctly, Buffet is invested in BNSF, an American railroad.

The big hit here is to place the public focus on the one working transport mechanism that hauls most of the crude oil from the Williston Basin (Bakken/Three Forks oil). If the transport mechanism is shut down by popular acclaim, some 750,000 barrels of oil a day won't make it to refineries, and a huge economic light will be extinguished.

People have come to North Dakota from all over the US and beyond to work in the oil industry or related good paying jobs, but it could look as dismal as other parts of the country if they can find a way to shut it down.

12 posted on 04/13/2014 10:36:34 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Crude oil doesn’t burn hot enough to instantly vaporize a human body.


13 posted on 04/13/2014 10:37:28 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Sorry about your grandfather, Johnny. None of us wants anything like that to happen. I know, I work out there.


14 posted on 04/13/2014 10:38:05 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: smokingfrog

Are we going to discount people’s testimonies, because they don’t quite use the vernacular correctly?

I don’t think he meant necessarily the word to mean how quick the people burned, but to the degree that they burned.


15 posted on 04/13/2014 10:46:45 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30
Pellerin was among several people who testified to the committee in support of a $40 million appropriation that would be used to prepare fire departments nationwide for oil fires like Lac-Megantic.

Pellerin wouldn't have any reason to exaggerate the fact$, would he?

16 posted on 04/13/2014 10:59:23 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Smokin' Joe
That engine caught fire, the fire department came and put the fire out, and the engine was shut off. When the brakes released, the train rolled downgrade into Lac Megantic.

Don't know squat about railroads. But, isn't their something like chocks that can mecanically lock railcars. Leaving an unattended engine seems nuts to me.

17 posted on 04/13/2014 11:00:48 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Depends on how big the fireball was


18 posted on 04/13/2014 11:05:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
But, isn't their something like chocks that can mecanically lock railcars. Leaving an unattended engine seems nuts to me.

Each car has a set of hand-operated mechanical brakes. The policy is to lock down enough cars to keep the train from moving, even if the air compressor on the engine fails.

In this case, the engineer who was responsible evidently failed to lock down enough cars.

19 posted on 04/13/2014 11:05:31 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Jonty30

“Stepped out and were vaporized.”

Sounds like a humongous fireball to me


20 posted on 04/13/2014 11:06:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It may have been. Once the fire started, the town went up in flames.


21 posted on 04/13/2014 11:11:13 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: AZLiberty
Call it the Buffet tax. He’s the one profiting most from rail-based oil transport, and seems to have the ear of this administration.

Before that he made money hauling coal. He does a great job of pretending to be a liberal.

22 posted on 04/13/2014 11:12:42 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Jonty30

That would have been hellish... try to escape and get burned at once, or wait and get burned in the house.


23 posted on 04/13/2014 11:15:45 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: smokingfrog

I’m probably more bothered by the fact that the company wanted to save the cost of about $80,000 by not having a second engineer to operate the train in the event that one was left unable to operate competently because of exhaustion.

Billions of dollars in damage done, over 40 lives extinguished, and no way to collect recompense it because the private company was allowed to go bankrupt.


24 posted on 04/13/2014 11:20:30 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: BenLurkin

It is these types of stories that are being used to demonize fracking technology. The anti petroleum folks are hellbent in stopping the distribution of oil found in our oil reserves through fracking.


25 posted on 04/13/2014 11:21:09 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: jonrick46

Well, anything that yielded oil would be susceptible to such criticism.

A pipeline would be a lot safer.


26 posted on 04/13/2014 11:23:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: jonrick46

And... crude oil has a lot of volatile flammable fractions in it. It’s not like motor oil; it will burn at room temperature.


27 posted on 04/13/2014 11:24:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The problem is the EPA is regulating out the pipeline option.


28 posted on 04/13/2014 11:34:58 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Jonty30
The RR was definitely negligent and irresponsible, there's no question about that. My problem is with the fire chief telling tall tales to get a govt. grant. If first responders need more equipment and resources to respond to disasters, they should have it. Just don't tell tall tales about what really happened to suit your agenda, is all I'm saying.
29 posted on 04/13/2014 11:40:53 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
If first responders need more equipment and resources to respond to disasters, they should have it.

Given this was a Senate sub-committee, I'd wager the objective of the exercise is not to find a way to spend more money on grants to local fire departments.

Instead, the purpose of these hearings is to ramp up the envirowacko movement to have rail shipment of crude oil banned.

30 posted on 04/13/2014 11:45:33 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: smokingfrog; Willie Green
Roger Miller - King Of the Road
31 posted on 04/13/2014 11:48:14 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: smokingfrog

How do you know he’s telling tall tales? Were you there?

It’s a fact that a town basically disappeared off the map because of this derailment. A town, where every building is on fire is going to be a lot hotter than normal.

Here are some pictures of the disaster that happened.

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/07/freight-train-derails-and-explodes-in-lac-megantic-quebec/100548/

One difference between Canadian and American politics is that there is far less to gain from exaggerations, because the Canadian system is a lot more transparent than the American system. That’s one of the benefits of a Parliamentary style of government.


32 posted on 04/13/2014 11:53:41 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Liberty Valance
Gordon Lightfoot is very late in releasing his next hit record: “The Wreck of the M, M, & A”.
33 posted on 04/14/2014 12:26:30 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: smokingfrog

Either way you describe it, vaporized or incinerated, the people in that town died. I’m not sure how you can ignore that.


34 posted on 04/14/2014 12:38:43 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Liberty Valance
Progressive Railroading
35 posted on 04/14/2014 12:41:22 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Kirkwood

I’m not ignoring anything.


36 posted on 04/14/2014 12:41:59 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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Pellerin made a name for himself in Lincoln County as he raked in grant funds for various upgrades to county systems.
37 posted on 04/14/2014 12:56:15 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
Jesus. Really?


38 posted on 04/14/2014 1:39:57 AM PDT by stormer
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To: smokingfrog

You said the deaths were a tall tale.


39 posted on 04/14/2014 6:30:11 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Jonty30

I would love to see us adopt “Question Time” here, would have come in handy during the ObamaCare debacle.


40 posted on 04/14/2014 6:33:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kirkwood
Sheesh! Im not saying that no one died. Just questioning the part where he embellishes the story by saying people were “vaporized”.
41 posted on 04/14/2014 6:42:15 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Ironic, huh?


42 posted on 04/14/2014 6:57:27 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: JRandomFreeper

About 30 years ago in Phoenix there was a backhoe operator that hit a natural-gas pipeline; he was incinerated where he sat.

But I doubt he was vaporized.


43 posted on 04/14/2014 6:59:17 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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