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1 posted on 04/15/2014 3:57:38 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Close it...all of it. Go to flat tax...problem fixed...easy-peesy.


2 posted on 04/15/2014 4:12:00 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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The problem of taxing income lies not in the rates or the progression of rates, or even with “exceptions” intended to reduce the burden on the “poor” (whatever that means).

It is with the very definition of “income.” Wages? Capital gains (long or short)? Dividends? and on and on. And what about the notion of “imputed income”? What is the value of all those welfare freebies and handouts?

The solution is a consumption tax applied to all end-use purchases, with a rebate to every person (not “family”) each year of a fixed amount.

Taxing only end-use purchases prevents multiple taxation. Taxation at points prior to end-use are necessarily paid by all subsequent purchasers, not by the producer, because the producer must make a profit net of taxes.

A fixed rebate eliminates the tax burden on everyone below a certain consumption level (yes some very low level consumers might actually make a net profit), and rapidly causes the net tax rate to reach a fixed, flat level once consumption exceeds the threshold represented by the rebate.


3 posted on 04/15/2014 4:16:12 AM PDT by motor_racer (Who will bell the cat?)
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Control[ing] the IRS...

A household pest.

The IRS should be treated like pantry moths or earwigs.

Squashed.

4 posted on 04/15/2014 4:26:56 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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In the end, we should just tax consumption instead of the process of earning money--the way the Founding Fathers intended in the first place.

By no longer taxing the process of earning money, that means income, pensions, bank account interest, capital gains and stock dividend payments are no longer taxed--and it means our banks will be fully-funded, the stock market will be WAY stronger, and there is WAY more incentive to operate a business here, since you don't have to factor in income taxes as the cost of running your business. And that means a roaring economy.

5 posted on 04/15/2014 4:37:24 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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The irs is the engine of income redistribution.
First, by who it hires. Overwhelmingly affirmative action.
Second, by what it does. Takes money from those who earn it honestly, and gives it to those who faithfully vote democrat.


7 posted on 04/15/2014 4:47:40 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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No mention of the FAIR TAX which would eliminate the need for the irs.FAIL.


8 posted on 04/15/2014 4:50:45 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: markomalley

Abolish withholding. Problem solved.


9 posted on 04/15/2014 4:52:33 AM PDT by abb
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To: markomalley

Why do we continue to be saddled with an income tax, at all? Switch to a consumption tax, ala the Fair Tax (less the prebate garbage, unless you are also going to dump welfare), and scrap the IRS completely.
The collection mechanism is already in place via the current sales tax and state tax collection processes, and the control remains much more local than the current fedgov mess.
Dump the tax code as we know it, and no more income tax filing.

Just sayin’

And, save the flames. I’ve heard them all, and it still is not more sensible to tax income rather than consumption.


11 posted on 04/15/2014 5:02:03 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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Tax reform (while good for its own sake) is a half assed measure for reigning in government overreach.

The A9 Ace to bulldoze most of this crap away is simply to remove non jury courts in their entirety. Thus jury nullification is restored to its proper role as a counter balance.

No tax courts.
No traffic courts.
Nada.


13 posted on 04/15/2014 5:05:33 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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"That would allow for the lowest rates possible that would still bring in the same revenue.

That's a start, as the cost of compiling with the income tax runs into the dozens of billions of dollar, which is a total dead weight loss to taxpayers.

Of course, taxes are too high, the income tax is propably unconstitutional and there's a sketchy approval history. The Federal Government should have no role in taxing individuals.

The goal has to be the elimination of the income tax and the IRS. Reforms toward that goal are good, but keep the goal in mind.

15 posted on 04/15/2014 5:12:20 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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Every IRS “reform” effort has resulted in a more intrusive, more oppressive, mind-numbingly complex agency. It’s obvious that our elected officials don’t really want to rein in the monstrosity known as the IRS. If our senators and representatives really wanted to do the right thing they’d abolish the IRS and replace it with a National Retail Sales Tax. The inherent simplicity and fairness of the NRST, however, is repulsive to our masters. The IRS enables our masters to control the peons while the NRST would bestow freedom upon American citizens.


18 posted on 04/15/2014 6:56:19 AM PDT by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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How about using a consumption tax,but revenue is distributed from the bottom up,instead of top down? Tax revenues would go to local needs first,then state,& finally to feds. The 3 tax entities could fight it out amongst themselves as to who gets what. Why tax at fed level & then filter it back to state/local? Money going through all those hands creates waste.


19 posted on 04/15/2014 7:28:54 AM PDT by oldtech
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How many of you live in a state where the residents are abused for their political actions by their state sales tax department?

That should give you a clue as to how to reform the federal tax system.


20 posted on 04/15/2014 7:41:59 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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I've seen a tax plan put forward by someone else on here, maybe a year or so ago. Eliminates the individual from Federal taxes entirely, and I think it's a great idea. Don't remember who/where it was posted (forgot to copy that data), but here ya go:


How about we eliminate the Federal tax and replace it with representative apportionment.

1) Congress determines the amount of taxes to be collected
2) The amount is split into two equal pots - one for the Senators and one for the Representatives
3) The pot for the Senators is divided by 100 to determine the per Senator tax bill.
4) The pot for the Representatives is divided by 435 to determine the per Representative tax bill
5) The treasury then calculates the tax liability for each state by multiplying the per Senator amount by 2 and adds to that amount the per Representative amount, calculated as the number of representatives times the per representative amount
6) That total tax liability is then divided into quarterly amounts and communicated to each state.
7) States are then free to determine for themselves what is the best tax collection method for their citizens
8) States which are more than one quarter behind are prohibited from paying their State legislature or Governor their state salaries
9) States that are more than two quarters behind are no longer allowed a vote in committee
10) States that are more than three quarters behind are no longer allowed a vote on the floor
11) States that are more than four quarters behind will have a garnishment of all tax revenues to the State



The only issues I really see are:
- Senators get half the pot. This really unfairly burdens small states with few Reps, as their 2 Sens would inflate their bill greatly. Better to just split the total pot by 535.
- Would really require repeal of the 17th.
- Dems (when in charge) would need to submit a budget. You could argue, however, that as long as no budget has been passed for the year, that the States need pay no taxes until a budget is fully approved.
22 posted on 04/15/2014 9:20:21 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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