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What Putin is rebuilding
4-17-14 | Dangus

Posted on 04/16/2014 9:08:34 PM PDT by dangus

No, Putin isn't re-building the third Reich: Chamberlain isn't a historic villain because he did nothing after Hitler seized neighboring German-speaking territories. He's a historic villain because he did nothing after Hitler blamed Christianity for poisoning Europe with weakness, swore to destroy the Jews, build a master race, set fire to the Reichstag, seized all police powers, built concentration camps and THEN invaded German-speaking lands.

No, Putin isn't re-building the Soviet Union: He has implemented a flat, low tax rate, struck the authority of local commissars to impose taxes, decriminalized tax disputes, decentralized agriculture and industry, seen the numbers of abortions decrease 83%, and championed Christianity in the public square.

No, Putin isn't building Aleksandr Dugan's Eurasia, a concept that sounds almost as if it were written by the C.I.A. to justify paranoia and panic. Dugin has been called a trusted advisor to Putin. In fact, Dugin and his allies have been enemies of Putin since before the fall of Gorbachev. Dugin is to Putin what Pat Buchanan is to Barrack Obama, what Rev. Wright is to George W. Bush. Dugin's Eurasia is a communist-Islamicist alliance, whereas Putin has been deeply ingratiating himself as a devout Orthodox Christian.

One thing everyone who has met him, whether Bush supposedly seeing into his soul, or Clinton's loathing the sight of him, is that Putin is a pragmatist, not a crazed ideologue like Hitler, Stalin, Dugan or Zhirinovski. Even his Christianity is pragmatic: He's no like King Henry IV of France, who feigned Catholicism because one mass was a small price to pay for Paris. No, he believes in Christianity because he believes it works. While this sounds grating to the Protestant ear, bear in mind the Orthodox revere Emperor Constantine as a great saint. Western Catholics and Enlightenment-era Protestants might even call it "Natural Law." And the re-Christianization of Russia is progressing rapidly. (If you're such the believer that works and justice have nothing to do with Christianity, it's at least the re-Orthodoxidation?)

In 1991, only 30% of Russians considered themselves Christian. In 2001, that number increased to 51%. Today, the same poll says 73% do. Another poll says 82% of Russians consider themselves Christian. Millions of Muslims have converted. (2 million had by 2005, and reports say the rate of conversions has increased.)

Christian morality is coming back, and Putin's government is leading the char gem crusading against abortion, childlessness, divorce, and alcoholism. As I mentioned, abortion is down an astounding 83%. But parenting is also up more than 50%. And life expectancy has risen 5 years in just the last 8 calendar years.

Putin cannot achieve his goals largely by military annexation. He needs to keep a Duma that supports him, and the leftists coalition of socialist, communists, pensioners and Eurasianists have closed the gap on his right-wing alliance. He can't afford more opponents, politically, economically or militarily. In fact, Russia so far has declined to annex South Ossetia, Transdneiper, Nagorno-Karabakh or Abkhazia; Crimea was an exception because it had been so long Russian and was so dominated by Russian people. He also must seduce allies to his side, and one is seldom seduced by another who has been seen raping a third. If the Donbas region of the Ukraine (Donetsk, Luhansk, etc.) becomes part of Russia, Putin must be able to convince Russophiles that they did so willingly. Any further intrusions into the Ukraine will come years later, should other oblasts (counties) decide that annexation has profited the Donbas.

Putin has defended Christians in the Middle East while the West has sided with Islamicist radicals. Putin will continue to seek a constructive relationship with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel and Egypt. (Yes, Israel is turning away from America as a fickle ally who punishes her friends and coddles her enemies.)

The Eurasian Economic Community consists of Russia, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, and will likely soon include Armenia, Georgia, Kyrgystan, Moldova and Tajikistan. Kyrgystan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan are majority-Muslim nations with sizable Christian minorities, like Syria, Lebanon and Egypt. Putin's involvement in Egypt, Israel and Syria demonstrates that the Christian communities in these nations will have a defender. Russia may well be Christianity's best shot for maintaining a foothold in the Islamic world.

If he's really ambitious, Putin may hope that the whole of the Orthodox world may be attracted to Russia, and to expand the Russian-led customs union to Greece, Romania, Serbia, etc. But military aggression would be deadly to such ambitions.

Russia abolished serfdom before Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, so don't misread me. But what Putin wants is a modern Russian Empire. And if his methods aren't evil, I'm pretty sure that's not a bad thing.


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1 posted on 04/16/2014 9:08:34 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Putin singlehandily rescued Russia from Oblivion.


2 posted on 04/16/2014 9:13:45 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: dangus

The Yin and The Yang

Putin is trying to build Russia up into his vision of a new Russia.

Obama is dismantling America into his vision of a new USA.


3 posted on 04/16/2014 9:13:47 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: dangus

Putin: “First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.”


4 posted on 04/16/2014 9:15:09 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: dangus

I’m more worried about what we’re not building. We’re destructing.


5 posted on 04/16/2014 9:15:56 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: dangus

Let us know when he stops backing Iran to the detriment of Israel.


6 posted on 04/16/2014 9:16:31 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: dangus

The irony here is that the German-Russian trade axis, which between 1870-1914 was one of the world’s most dynamic, is destined to revive. Germany tired of its supplicating, non productive, debt ridden EU partners will pivot toward the boundless resources and potential of Russia. Ukraine , which is positioned directly on the axis along with Poland and Belarus, will prosper as well. A West Ukraine v East Ukraine/Russia war would only benefit those who fear or wish to delay this development.


7 posted on 04/16/2014 9:18:41 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Zhang Fei

He was referring to dissolution, not the democratization.


8 posted on 04/16/2014 9:18:52 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Vladimir Putin is the best ruler Russia has ever had since Tsar Peter. Bork Obunga on the other hand, is the worst ruler any advanced state has ever had since Nero.


9 posted on 04/16/2014 9:20:59 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Zhang Fei
He sees it from a completely different perspective,now, I would guess. I would imagine he can now look in hindsight and see what has brought our destruction and also what, at one time, built our successes. I have to wonder if he believes he can rebuild learning from watching our destruction. As noted, he is not an ideologue.

I have to say, if you are Russian you are probably feeling a bit more optimistic about the future than any American who knows what is happening around them.

10 posted on 04/16/2014 9:22:30 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: allendale
A West Ukraine v East Ukraine/Russia war would only benefit those who fear or wish to delay this development.

AKA the Anglo-Amnerican banking cartel.....

11 posted on 04/16/2014 9:23:58 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: dangus

A remarkably plausible interpretation of events. Better be lest we get WWIII.


12 posted on 04/16/2014 9:25:33 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Before you can find the right hill, someone will start watering trees. Prepare accordingly.)
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To: Zhang Fei

That’s the former KGB agent’s whole animus and motivator.


13 posted on 04/16/2014 9:25:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Iran was ready to topple, until Obama declared he had their back. You notice we’re doing nothing at all about Iran? I’m not sure why Israel and Russia have been getting along so well, but read this:

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/tr/originals/2014/04/israel-russia-strategic-ties-ukraine.html#


14 posted on 04/16/2014 9:25:56 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

President Putin really wants to fulfill Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev’s vision of Europe as a “common European home” from the Atlantic to the Pacific - from Paris to Vladivostok. That dream right now seems further away from fulfillment than in 1989.

The system of the blocs has disappeared and the Cold War has ended but most Russians feel the West is not interested in being a partner but an adversary. And they point out the West’s attitude towards their country and them has remained consistent even before Crimea.

But if its a choice now between deferring to the West or upholding Russia’s national interests - Putin has opted for the second choice. He really wants Russia to be part of Europe - but not at any price.


15 posted on 04/16/2014 9:27:13 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: riri
I have to say, if you are Russian you are probably feeling a bit more optimistic about the future than any American who knows what is happening around them.

Any country coming up from a low base is gonna have people who feel good about the future. Russia is doing well because China's rapid growth has taken commodity prices through the roof. Russia contains more raw materials than Brazil, the US and Saudi Arabia combined. For instance, in the early 90's, Chinese motor vehicle sales were 2m. In 2012, they were 20m. Putin was as lucky as Yeltsin was not.

16 posted on 04/16/2014 9:28:23 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: dangus

How do you know?


17 posted on 04/16/2014 9:28:31 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Zhang Fei

“Putin: “First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.””

For Russia...

For many it’s former client states, it ushered in The Great Age.

For others, they still haven’t recovered, mainly due to internal division and strife.


18 posted on 04/16/2014 9:30:40 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: dangus

Iran wasn’t toppling. Russia was aiding them the whole time, as was China, North Korea and other such nations.

Now Obama is very pro-Islam, but where did he openly declare he had Iran’s back?

Israel’s got “strong ties” with many other nations that have a strong animus against them, including most of the members of the European Union.


19 posted on 04/16/2014 9:32:47 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: goldstategop

“President Putin really wants to fulfill Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev’s vision of Europe as a “common European home””

That vision, for BOTH Gorbachev, and Putin, came from Yuri Andropov, of all people. but, by the time he came to power, he was too old, and too ill, to put it into play himself.


20 posted on 04/16/2014 9:34:12 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: dangus
He was referring to dissolution, not the democratization.

The continuing existence of Lenin monuments across Russia, combined with Russian anger at the removal of Lenin statues in Ukraine, suggests that it's not merely Putin, but Russians at large, who continue to reject the idea of Russian guilt for the atrocities committed during the Communist era. In this respect, Russia resembles Germany during the interwar years.

21 posted on 04/16/2014 9:34:23 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Olog-hai

I wonder about that, but then why is Israel remaining expressly neutral? Strange.


22 posted on 04/16/2014 9:34:30 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Olog-hai

I don’t *know*, but I can infer.

Conspiracists, propagandists and hate-mongerers tell you what someone is doing by presuming what their motives are. That’s only a reflection on the conspiracist, propagandist or hate-mongerer. The truth is that you can never tell someone’s motives. You watch their actions. And you conclude what further actions would be consistent with their past actions. That’s all I have done.


23 posted on 04/16/2014 9:35:56 PM PDT by dangus
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It certainly helps though if you do not have a leader who is a complete obstruction to any luck that might come the country’s way. And, really, at least 40% of the country cheering him on to their own detriment.


24 posted on 04/16/2014 9:36:08 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Olog-hai

Add Turkey, they were money laundering for Iran.


25 posted on 04/16/2014 9:36:31 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: varmintman

Your touching on the 1917 era when the Rothchilds set up Lenin, Trotsky and others up to Stalin for the actions of Marx and Engels to depose the Czar who wouldn’t buy into the Rothchilds intent to control the Russian banking system. The same group did make some gains in the USA under President Wilson’s Fed Reserve which is not a USA controlled entity. George Soros was a spawn of the same cabal along with other people in high places.


26 posted on 04/16/2014 9:36:52 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Zhang Fei

No, it resembles Germany during the post-war years.


27 posted on 04/16/2014 9:37:09 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Viennacon

The liberals in the Knesset.


28 posted on 04/16/2014 9:37:37 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Russia is following Germany’s trajectory during the interwar years, including an economic recovery, followed by a military build-up, except Russia has helped kill tens of millions more non-Russians than Imperial Germany killed non-Germans.


29 posted on 04/16/2014 9:38:40 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Don’t forget about the rehabilitation of Stalin.

Or Nashi.


30 posted on 04/16/2014 9:39:36 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: riri
It certainly helps though if you do not have a leader who is a complete obstruction to any luck that might come the country’s way. And, really, at least 40% of the country cheering him on to their own detriment.

If Russia were halfway well-run, the people would have higher incomes than Americans. Australians certainly do, and they don't have nearly the mineral resources per capita of Russia.

31 posted on 04/16/2014 9:40:24 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Oh no doubt. I am not saying Putin is wonderful ... I am just saying.... I’d trade. (:


32 posted on 04/16/2014 9:42:28 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: riri
Oh no doubt. I am not saying Putin is wonderful ... I am just saying.... I’d trade. (:

Russia is accepting applications for skilled immigrants.

33 posted on 04/16/2014 9:43:21 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: riri

Trade one autocrat for another?


34 posted on 04/16/2014 9:48:53 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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“followed by a military build-up,”

Putin actually cut Russia’s army forces from 2 million, to 800,000, and introduced an NCO-level command/decision structure like the west, doing away with the old, rigid Soviet-Style command system. (That China still uses, by the way. They started working on a twenty-year plan for upgrading capabilities, with a much smaller military, in Putin’s first terms.

He dropped several divisions from the structure, and the Soviet Cadre system, that resulted in lots of chiefs, but few Indians.

Russia has since concentrated on upgrading several of the remaining units along the lines of the U.S. “Heavy” Brigade structure, with inter-changeable BCT’s.

He has done the same with the Air Force and Navy, scrapping old units, and concentrating on a three-level system of “World Class”, “good”, and reserve.

And Russia is spending massive amounts of money to build/rebuild infrastructure, from double/triple-railing the trans-Siberian, to building a road and pipeline network in the far East and Siberia.

In 10-15 years, backed by the resources opened up in the north and east, Putin sees Russia’s return as true economic power house.

Now, compare that to what has been happening in America since the late 70’s...


35 posted on 04/16/2014 9:52:28 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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I wonder about that, but then why is Israel remaining expressly neutral? Strange.

The Israelis have always looked out for No. 1. They did sell the plans for the Lavi to the Chinese, and almost sold an AWACS system to them. When confronted over these deals, Israeli defense officials huffed, in an interview with Haaretz, that the Pentagon scotched the Israeli AWACS deal because US defense companies were themselves hoping to sell these systems to China. They are alleged to have traded the American secrets Jonathan Pollard handed to them to the Russians in exchange for exit visas for Jewish scientists:

A number of officials strongly suspect that the Israelis repackaged much of Pollard's material and provided it to the Soviet Union in exchange for continued Soviet permission for Jews to emigrate to Israel. Other officials go further, and say there was reason to believe that secret information was exchanged for Jews working in highly sensitive positions in the Soviet Union. A significant percentage of Pollard's documents, including some that described the techniques the American Navy used to track Soviet submarines around the world, was of practical importance only to the Soviet Union. One longtime C.I.A. officer who worked as a station chief in the Middle East said he understood that "certain elements in the Israeli military had used it" -- Pollard's material -- "to trade for people they wanted to get out," including Jewish scientists working in missile technology and on nuclear issues. Pollard's spying came at a time when the Israeli government was publicly committed to the free flow of Jewish emigres from the Soviet Union. The officials stressed the fact that they had no hard evidence -- no "smoking gun," in the form of a document from an Israeli or a Soviet archive -- to demonstrate the link between Pollard, Israel, and the Soviet Union, but they also said that the documents that Pollard had been directed by his Israeli handlers to betray led them to no other conclusion.

High-level suspicions about Israeli-Soviet collusion were expressed as early as December, 1985, a month after Pollard's arrest, when William J. Casey, the late C.I.A. director, who was known for his close ties to the Israeli leadership, stunned one of his station chiefs by suddenly complaining about the Israelis breaking the "ground rules." The issue arose when Casey urged increased monitoring of the Israelis during an otherwise routine visit, I was told by the station chief, who is now retired. "He asked if I knew anything about the Pollard case," the station chief recalled, and he said that Casey had added, "For your information, the Israelis used Pollard to obtain our attack plan against the U.S.S.R. all of it. The coordinates, the firing locations, the sequences. And for guess who? The Soviets." Casey had then explained that the Israelis had traded the Pollard data for Soviet emigres. "How's that for cheating?" he had asked.


36 posted on 04/16/2014 9:53:23 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: dangus

Food for thought.


37 posted on 04/16/2014 9:55:30 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: tcrlaf; Zhang Fei

tcrlaf, How dare you inject fact into a perfectly fine rant? ;-)


38 posted on 04/16/2014 9:59:30 PM PDT by dangus
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Putin actually cut Russia’s army forces from 2 million, to 800,000, and introduced an NCO-level command/decision structure like the west, doing away with the old, rigid Soviet-Style command system. (That China still uses, by the way. They started working on a twenty-year plan for upgrading capabilities, with a much smaller military, in Putin’s first terms.

The interwar Reichswehr (Imperial Defense) was, at just over 100K men, a fraction the size of the Deutsches Heer (Imperial German Army). Then in 1935, the Reichswehr became the Wehrmacht (Defense Force) and ballooned out to become the juggernaut that steamrolled, for a time, armies all over Europe.

39 posted on 04/16/2014 10:00:30 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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tcrlaf, How dare you inject fact into a perfectly fine rant? ;-)

Selective distortion coupled with outright lies were how the Russians convinced a good chunk of the world that the CIA invented AIDS to kill black people. Blood libels are a Russian specialty. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are of Russian origin.

40 posted on 04/16/2014 10:05:25 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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It may be true that abortion has dropped sharply since the fall of the Soviet Union. But their abortion rate is still by far the highest in the world, in the country where you say more people poll as Christian than ever before. (more than the United States even)

"On a rather disquieting note, Russia saw more pregnancies end in abortion than live birth last year. There were 1,022 abortions per 1,000 births, according to state statistics. The runner-up, Romania, only performed 684 abortions per 1,000 births."

That's from Russia's official news agency.


41 posted on 04/16/2014 10:06:18 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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No, it resembles Germany during the post-war years.

I missed the part where the Germans attempted another Anschluss. Or tried to re-annex the Sudetenland.

42 posted on 04/16/2014 10:09:21 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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I missed the part where the Germans attempted another Anschluss.

Well I suppose you could think of getting East Germany as a kind of Anschluss.

43 posted on 04/16/2014 10:12:26 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: tcrlaf

The numbers vary wildly as to the actual number of Russian troops; IISS estimates from four years ago cite about 1.04 million active duty and another 2.02 million reserves.


44 posted on 04/16/2014 10:14:51 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Zhang Fei

Take a look at what the League of Expellees are up to. Merkel likes to meet with them a lot.


45 posted on 04/16/2014 10:15:38 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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Well I suppose you could think of getting East Germany as a kind of Anschluss.

By that definition, the freeing of the Warsaw Pact states was a kind of American Anschluss. Are you sure you wouldn't be more comfortable as a citizen of the Polish province of the Russian Empire?

46 posted on 04/16/2014 10:17:44 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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“American Anschluss”? Since when did Poland become a US state or territory? I didn’t know that we could spend US dollars for pierogies in Warsaw.


47 posted on 04/16/2014 10:23:38 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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Take a look at what the League of Expellees are up to. Merkel likes to meet with them a lot.

When Germany starts massing troops on the Czech Republic's borders and complaining about Czech treatment of ethnic Germans, who have started taking over government buildings, then it will be time to start worrying.

48 posted on 04/16/2014 10:24:55 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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Adolf didn’t start with masses of troops either. He had to build up forces too.


49 posted on 04/16/2014 10:25:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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“American Anschluss”? Since when did Poland become a US state or territory? I didn’t know that we could spend US dollars for pierogies in Warsaw.

dfwgator is that rarest of creatures - a Polish Russophile. I'm no Russophobe, but I think the Russians have a lot to atone for. They equaled the Germans in their atrocities, but unlike the Germans, have not only spent no time atoning for their wicked behavior, they have reveled in it.

50 posted on 04/16/2014 10:28:35 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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