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What Really Happed at the Bay of Pigs
Townhall.com ^ | April 19, 2014 | Humberto Fontova

Posted on 04/19/2014 5:24:45 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

And Castro went on to infiltrate and poison Central and South America. If Kennedy had not been shot...


21 posted on 04/19/2014 7:01:44 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: Kaslin
I learn as much on FR from the post as the articles. Thank you FR's. I knew JFK dropped the the ball, but the personal comments based on discussions with people you know tell a tail of maybe JFK had more on his mind then Cuba, ahegm ahegm as I clear my throat....

I tell all teens I know if the subject matter turns to history, to question the myth of his Presidency and introduce the concept he dropped the ball at the Bay of Pigs and to do your research.

I think it is true to say, he was mediocre at best, ranking right up their with the worst of the 19th and 20th Centuries, you can name the rest, you all know them well....

22 posted on 04/19/2014 7:04:47 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: onedoug

ping


23 posted on 04/19/2014 7:09:07 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: Kaslin

American RATS have more in common with Castro than with freedom. Was and stlll is the case.


24 posted on 04/19/2014 7:13:02 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: G Larry

Did that decision perhaps resulted in what happened to him in Dallas?


25 posted on 04/19/2014 7:52:19 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: 353FMG

I think so.


26 posted on 04/19/2014 7:56:23 AM PDT by bruoz
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To: Pearls Before Swine; Olog-hai; Kaslin

Yes, JFK failed the freedom fighters in Cuba, and our own men trying to protect citizens from the Castro takeover. Even more telling is the prisoner abuse afterward, just read “Against All Hope” by Armando Valladares translated by Andrew Hurley, it will open your eyes to the horrors of Communist prison abuse.

There was another book, by one of our men left to fend for themselves behind enemy lines, and he escaped somehow getting home...and lived to tell his story.

Che Guevera, that the Democrats love was a brutal sociopath, whose Revolution was one of evil...yet we saw the T Shirts calling him a hero in Obama campaign offices and on the workers in 08, that should have been a warning to Americans to fight with all that was in them!


27 posted on 04/19/2014 7:56:49 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: 353FMG

A little payback from someone in the CIA maybe?


28 posted on 04/19/2014 7:58:48 AM PDT by bruoz
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To: taildragger

JFK’S HANDLING OF MISSILE CRISIS A ‘TRIUMPH’ THAT KILLED THE MONROE DOCTRINE.

September 3, 1987| By GEORGE WILL, Washington Post Writers Group

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1987-09-03/news/8703110449_1_soviet-missiles-long-range-missiles-cuban-missile-crisis

Clio, the muse of history, is in bed with a splitting headache, prostrated by the task of trying to correct the still multiplying misunderstandings of the Cuban missile crisis. Most Americans believe it was a famous victory won by a resolute president prepared to take the world to the brink of nuclear war. Actually, there was not much of a brink, and no triumph worth celebrating.

Kennedy In last Sunday`s New York Times magazine, J. Anthony Lukas reported on a reunion of former Kennedy administration participants in the crisis. The meeting was last April at a Florida resort with the wonderfully inapt name of Hawk`s Cay.
Because the crisis began when the Soviet Union began putting missiles in Cuba and ended when the missiles were removed, it was considered an unambiguous triumph achieved by a president more hawkish than some dovish advisers. (The terms ``hawks`` and ``doves`` were popularized by this crisis.)

Now much is being made of a letter from former Secretary of State Dean Rusk, a letter read at the April reunion. The letter is said to show that Kennedy was a dove.

In the crisis, Robert Kennedy notified Soviet Ambassador Dobrynin that U.S. missiles in Turkey would be withdrawn within months of withdrawal of Soviet missiles from Cuba, but it was imperative (obviously for domestic American political reasons) that the linkage of the withdrawals not be announced. Rusk`s letter reveals that if the Soviet Union had insisted on public linkage, Kennedy would have complied.

That historical morsel is only redundant evidence of what should by now be patent: Kennedy succeeded because his military advantage was huge and his goal was tiny.

The Soviet Union was not going to war at a time when U.S. advantages were three to one in long-range bombers, six to one in long-range missiles and 16 to one in warheads. The Kremlin must have been astonished — and elated — when Kennedy, in spite of advantages that would have enabled him to insist on severance of Soviet military connections with Cuba, sought only removal of the missiles. He thereby licensed all other Soviet uses of Cuba.

The stunning revelation in Lukas` report is not Rusk`s letter; it is something said at the reunion by Ted Sorensen, the aide closest to Kennedy.

On Aug. 31, 1962, five weeks before the administration discovered the missiles, New York`s Republican Sen. Kenneth Keating, trusting information received from intelligence and refugee sources, said offensive missiles were going into Cuba. Republicans were making an election issue out of Soviet shipments to Cuba. In September, Kennedy warned the Soviets, with interesting preciseness, not to put in Cuba ``offensive ground-to-ground missiles.`` Now, Sorensen says that the president drew a line where he soon — in October — wished he had not drawn it:

``I believe the president drew the line precisely where he thought the Soviets were not and would not be. That is to say, if we had known the Soviets were putting 40 missiles in Cuba, we might under this hypothesis have drawn the line at 100, and said with great fanfare that we would absolutely not tolerate the presence of more than 100 missiles...``

Sorensen is a member of the McGovernite wing of the virtually one-wing Democratic Party. But he also is an assiduous keeper of the Camelot flame. Thus it is fascinating that he says, in praise of Kennedy, that Kennedy wanted to practice appeasement but calculated incorrectly.

This is amusing in light of Arthur Schlesinger Jr.`s rhapsodizing about Kennedy`s handling of the crisis that Kennedy, according to Sorensen, wanted to define away: ``He coolly and exactly measured... He moved with mathematical precision... This combination of toughness and restraint, of will, nerve and wisdom, so brilliantly controlled, so matchlessly calibrated...``

Even assuming Sorensen is wrong, Schlesinger`s romanticizing is not right. In 1978, Mig-23s (nuclear-delivery vehicles far more menacing than the 1962 missiles) were introduced into Cuba. Kennedy`s non-invasion pledge, given as part of the crisis-ending deal, guaranteed the survival of this hemisphere`s first communist regime and makes attempts to remove or reform the second seem disproportionate.

The Reagan administration, which began by talking about dealing with Nicaragua by ``going to the source`` — Cuba, is reduced to clawing for piddling sums for the Contras, a recipe for another protracted failure. Today, most ``peace plans`` for Central America postulate the moral equivalence of U.S. and Soviet involvements in the region, another legacy of the missile- crisis ``triumph`` that killed the Monroe Doctrine.

A few more such triumphs and we shall be undone. The romanticizing of the missile crisis makes such triumphs more likely.


29 posted on 04/19/2014 7:59:37 AM PDT by Dqban22
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To: NTHockey

Funny you mention this.

I too studied ChemE with Cubans who had returned from the Bay of Pigs debacle and they were pretty bitter about the whole affair. Whether they continued for their PhDs, I don’t know. Lost track of them.

Georgia Tech grad?


30 posted on 04/19/2014 8:00:27 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Karma Police! Bay of Pigs alone justified his getting shot to hell in Dallas! Even of Lyndon did it for totally different reasons.


31 posted on 04/19/2014 8:07:48 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Dqban22

Good points, and don’t forget the Panama Canal giveaway by Carter.


32 posted on 04/19/2014 8:20:31 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: ArtDodger; Vinnie

Those who lived this last four decades understand, but the younger Americans are unaware of how the Communist STRONGHOLD took hold. 1917 donation to Columbia University and 30+ years later Nikita Kruschev and his infiltration of the education system of teachers from Russia...clear in his famous statement ‘we will take America without firing a shot’; all show the importance of his association with JFK and how the underground Communists worked with the openly above ground Communists to make Cuba & Castro happen. No backlash.

The book by J Edgar Hoover “Masters of Deceit” discusses the Communist infiltration of America and their intent, it was copyrighted in 1958...I think his cross dressing caused the man not to be taken seriously, yet the FBI information he had was so important to us as a nation.

The SDS had over 100,000 members when the Weathermen Underground formed with Bill Ayers, this was a Marxist organization that said ‘they would disban’ intentionally false, to go Underground as teachers, union members, politicians, executives of corporations, bankers, wall street and government officials...it was a preplanned effort in 1968.

The whole point is the average American does not understand the evil of communism and how it deceives, controls, and using subterfuge to get it’s way. The NWO aligns itself with Communism and manipulates wars.

The left being the hippie and college intellectuals, instead of intelligence crowd, allowed the Democrat Party to take over in 1964, and the Republicans have been infiltrated by members of the communist party individually.... complicating the party.

That division of the conservative party complicates a recovery through voting. All the information is out there but many cannot seem to put it together...in order to see the conspiracy that really does exist to takeover America.


33 posted on 04/19/2014 8:40:04 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat

‘allowed the Democrat Party to take over in 1964’

meant to say ‘the Democrat Party allowed a communist infiltration to begin their takeover in 1964 beginning with the leftist party.’


34 posted on 04/19/2014 8:44:19 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: PeaRidge

I thought they were A-26 invaders.


35 posted on 04/19/2014 8:45:58 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Dqban22

Sobering summary. Thank you.


36 posted on 04/19/2014 8:48:02 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: TEXOKIE

And the restoration of the Panama Canal to the Panamanians...1999?, I think...and wanted by the UN now.
There has been discussion of a new canal through Nicaragua, but with the earthquakes last week, who knows?


37 posted on 04/19/2014 8:49:02 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Dqban22

Book-worthy summation. Thank you!


38 posted on 04/19/2014 8:51:10 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Dqban22

The article you offer is well considered.

I was a child in 1961 but remember it well enough. JFK was as much a creation as obarry is, more of a philanderer than clintoon is. He was also a very reluctant president I think. He was created by his father. It was Joe who was to be president but he was killed in a a B-24 loaded with explosives.

The kennedy’s used the white house for their personal camelot just as much at the obarry’s but were much more tasteful about it.

I wonder if all politicians are not creations of their own minds or some other opportunist.


39 posted on 04/19/2014 8:56:07 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Kaslin

Making Cuba safe for mob boss Santos Trafficante. The presumed anti-Castro citizens of Cuba were supposed to rise up in support of the invasion. Bad bit of intel gathering there. Apparently were so disgusted with their tin horn dictator Batista, they were willing to trade for one without the mob or C&H sugar as the invisible hand in Cuban affairs. Our raw materials exploitation throughout the 3rd World handed nation after nation to the commies and still does today. We need to get smarter faster, that’s all there is to it.


40 posted on 04/19/2014 9:18:49 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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