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How can we negotiate with a pathological liar like Putin?
telegraph.co.uk ^ | April 15, 2014 | Con Coughlin

Posted on 04/19/2014 9:42:53 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

That Mr Putin has difficulties with the truth is already apparent from the transparent lies he told us during the Crimean crisis. Who can forget that stage-managed press conference with a group of carefully-vetted Russian journalists back in March at which Mr Putin said in all seriousness that there were no Russian troops active in Crimea, when the province was in fact already overrun with Spetsnaz Russian forces orchestrating Moscow's annexation of the territory?

Now the Russian president is at it again, this time trying to persuade a sceptical President Obama that there are no Russian soldiers or spiesinvolved in stirring up trouble in eastern Ukraine, when all the evidence points to the contrary – including the arrest by the Ukrainian authorities of dozens of Russian military officers who have been caught red-handed trying to incite violence.As a former senior officer in the KGB, telling barefaced lies must now be ingrained in Mr Putin's DNA.

But for the West, which is desperately trying to avoid an open confrontation with Moscow over the crisis, this presents enormous difficulties.

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1 posted on 04/19/2014 9:42:53 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Same way we negotiate with a pathological liar like Obama.


2 posted on 04/19/2014 9:44:06 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Call him on his BS every time.... liars hate that.


4 posted on 04/19/2014 9:44:18 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Tailgunner Joe
re: How can we negotiate with a pathological liar like Putin?

Maybe a better question would be, how can anyone negotiate with a pathological liar like Obama?

5 posted on 04/19/2014 9:44:58 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
That Mr Putin 0bama has difficulties with the truth is already apparent from the transparent lies he told us

Power corrupts.

6 posted on 04/19/2014 9:46:00 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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What’s it like to admire a genocidal mass murderer?


7 posted on 04/19/2014 9:46:51 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Why is it our responsibility to deal with Putin at all, when we have our own pathology liar to deal with?


8 posted on 04/19/2014 9:46:57 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How do you trust an alliance with a pathological liar like Obama?


9 posted on 04/19/2014 9:47:06 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

More importantly, how do we deal with a pathological liar like Obama?


10 posted on 04/19/2014 9:47:52 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: FatherofFive
George Washington was very aware of that, therefore the reason he was called the reluctant leader.
He would have never been President of the USA if it wasn't for his sense of duty to his country.
11 posted on 04/19/2014 9:49:20 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Putin and I Obunga singing to one another, a paraphrase of Kenny Rogers’ number “Islands in the Stream,” “....from one liar to another, uh-huh....” FYI


12 posted on 04/19/2014 9:51:00 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and in politic)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; All
..both President Putin AND pResident 0'Muslim; are BOTH pathological liars...
why just ask about Putin? ..both are Marxist Dictators.

13 posted on 04/19/2014 9:53:39 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun. Cattlegate..0'Caligula / 0'Reid? ;-)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Quite a headline. LOL! The most notorious liar, bar none, is Barack Hussein Obama!


14 posted on 04/19/2014 9:53:46 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: fwdude

Yup its currently a zero sum game.


15 posted on 04/19/2014 9:55:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“What’s it like to admire a genocidal mass murderer?”

Big on hyperbole are we?


16 posted on 04/19/2014 9:55:39 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I was thinking we send our own pathological liar (Obama) to negotiate with him.

Then again on second thought....


17 posted on 04/19/2014 9:57:21 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: fwdude

For the same reason we had to fight the cold war.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 9:59:44 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I would say Putin is a cunning, ruthless liar, one who knowingly deceives to further his own ends.

Obama is a pathological liar who really recognizes no absolute truth at all, and simply adopts and spouts whatever language seems best to suit his needs of the moment.


19 posted on 04/19/2014 10:04:58 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Let’s not get suckered into Brussels’ new Cold War with Russia. The roles have been reversed since the Soviet Union collapsed, and it is NATO now on the march eastward. The next and greatest strongman will rise from the EU, and the once-sovereign nations of Europe will be powerless to prevent his rise.


20 posted on 04/19/2014 10:06:36 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
How can we negotiate with a pathological liar like Putin Obama?

Is that what you were getting at?

21 posted on 04/19/2014 10:08:09 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Same way we negotiate with a pathological liar like Obama.

Add dingy harry to that list.

22 posted on 04/19/2014 10:12:26 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Now the Russian president is at it again, this time trying to persuade a skeptical President Obama that . . .

He is not trying to persuade Obama of anything. Instead, he is openly laughing to his face knowing that Obama will do nothing to stop him. If anything, Putin is thoroughly disappointed that this battle of diplomacy with the United States did not provide a satisfying challenge for him. Normally, he would have advanced with a few armored columns to secure Kiev and Donetsk like his Soviet predecessors did in Hungary and Czechoslovakia. But Putin now realizes he doesn't have to. Ukraine will be annexed just as Austria was annexed in 1938. And the only shots being fired will be those of Obama teeing off on the golf course.

23 posted on 04/19/2014 10:17:14 AM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
We deal with the number one liar of all time every day..To tell you the truth I would rather deal with Putin any day instead of Obama..
24 posted on 04/19/2014 10:21:06 AM PDT by PLD
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To: Hoodat
Instead, he is openly laughing to his face knowing that Obama will do nothing to stop him.

They're laughing together. Obama has had more "flexibility" since his reelection.

25 posted on 04/19/2014 10:21:31 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Always A Marine

We’re not in much better shape than the Soviet union was at the end of the cold war. All Russia had to do was sit back and watch us spend ourselves into oblivion for a couple of decades and now that we’re helpless they’re free to do pretty much as they please.


26 posted on 04/19/2014 10:23:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

One would think that our pathological liar vs Russia’s would cause a black hole-like implosion. Or at least hope so.


27 posted on 04/19/2014 10:24:26 AM PDT by llevrok (F the government)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
How can we negotiate with a pathological liar like Putin?

Putin was sent to us to practice on.

Once we can handle him we can try our anti-liar skills out on Obama.


28 posted on 04/19/2014 10:26:31 AM PDT by Iron Munro (NSA reports Malaysia Flight 370 black box signals detected in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Putin lies for the same reason Obama lies: There are no consequences, there is no downside. Obama and Kerry are toothless.


29 posted on 04/19/2014 10:34:10 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Or send them a pathological liar like Obama.


30 posted on 04/19/2014 10:34:57 AM PDT by stockpirate (Only a tidal wave of tyrants blood will return our tree of liberty......)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Send in a pathological liar like Obama.


31 posted on 04/19/2014 10:38:44 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The premise is flawed.

Why do we need to negotiate with Putin? We have no dog in the Ukraine fight. Lithuania is different because it is NATO. Negotiation is not involved. There must be action. Obama is encumbered by ideology that will prevent action outside of lawyerly worded balderdash.

Action, Putin’s actions, trump the niceties of idealized diplomacy.


32 posted on 04/19/2014 10:45:58 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert

Thanks as usual for your clear summation versus the propaganda of both sides.

“The premise is flawed.

Why do we need to negotiate with Putin? We have no dog in the Ukraine fight. Lithuania is different because it is NATO. Negotiation is not involved. There must be action. Obama is encumbered by ideology that will prevent action outside of lawyerly worded balderdash.

Action, Putin’s actions, trump the niceties of idealized diplomacy.”


33 posted on 04/19/2014 10:55:20 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: Luke21
Putin exterminated and ethnically cleansed thousands of innocent civilians when he invaded Georgia. I do not exaggerate when I call him a mass murderer. It is what he is. An unrepentant Chekist mass murderer.
34 posted on 04/19/2014 11:02:31 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Pathological liar 0bama sends pathological liar Kerry to
talk to pathological liar Putin's pathological liar Lavrov.

They're bound to come up with something fun for everyone.

35 posted on 04/19/2014 12:15:37 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: bert
Why do we need to negotiate with Putin? We have no dog in the Ukraine fight. Lithuania is different because it is NATO. Negotiation is not involved. There must be action. Obama is encumbered by ideology that will prevent action outside of lawyerly worded balderdash.

I agree that we have no dog in the Ukraine fight, but not just because Ukraine is not a NATO member state. There is nothing that can happen in Ukraine that has any impact upon the national security of the United States.

What concerns me is that the original purpose of NATO has been inflated away by the additions of 12 new members in 1998 and 2004. Our original promise to go to war in defense of West Germany, Holland, Italy or Great Britain has expanded to include death pacts with Romania, Bulgaria, Estonia and Poland, among others. Are we really willing to die for those counties? NO WAY!

The brutal truth is that NATO has morphed from a defensive treaty against possible Soviet invasion of Western Europe into an offensive alliance that followed retreating Russian armies to the borders of Russia itself. Having planted NATO's flag and based its troops, planes and ships along Russia's western borders, we are now meddling with Russia's neighbors on its strategic Black Sea borders. Since the Monroe Doctrine was declared in 1823, we have opposed such outside meddling in our entire hemisphere; why are we now so intent on destabilizing Russia's borders?

36 posted on 04/19/2014 12:22:28 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Putin exterminated and ethnically cleansed thousands of innocent civilians when he invaded Georgia. I do not exaggerate when I call him a mass murderer. It is what he is. An unrepentant Chekist mass murderer.

Assuming that this is true - whether it is or not, I do not know - what are we Americans to do about it? I'm really not trying to pick a fight; I just want someone to outline exactly what they want the United States to do, and to what extent. In other words, is control of the Black Sea as important to us as it is to Moscow? Because if it is, that means it must be settled on the battlefield.

37 posted on 04/19/2014 12:31:08 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine

We should support our Georgian and Ukrainian allies who sent troops to Iraq. We should help them kill our Russian enemies like we did in Afghanistan and we should do to Russia what Ronald Reagan did to the EVIL EMPIRE. Smash it to pieces!


38 posted on 04/19/2014 12:35:55 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: kenmcg

“The most notorious liar, bar none, is Barack Hussein Obama!”

Certainly the most destructive!!!


39 posted on 04/19/2014 12:35:58 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat
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To: Tailgunner Joe
We should support our Georgian and Ukrainian allies who sent troops to Iraq. We should help them kill our Russian enemies like we did in Afghanistan and we should do to Russia what Ronald Reagan did to the EVIL EMPIRE. Smash it to pieces!

As crazy as I think your idea is, I do respect you for having the guts to voice it. Most people who are reflexively anti-Russian will not say they are willing to go to total war over distant ethnic basket cases like Ukraine and Georgia -- or recent NATO expansion teams like Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania or Croatia. Combined with even more "mutual defense" treaties around the world, the United States has written more checks than we could ever cover in a crisis -- and one day our enemies are going to figure this out at the same time.

I also disagree with you over whether today's Russia is our enemy like the old Soviet Union was. It is my opinion that Russia is not an offensive threat to either the United States or Western Europe right now. On the other hand, the European Union and its military wing, NATO, is an expansionist power that has come close to encircling Russia's western and southern borders and seeks to dominate of all Europe and Eurasia. The new threat to freedom is in Brussels, and we are being used as its military muscle. Our only reward will be our bankruptcy and eventual collapse.

40 posted on 04/19/2014 1:23:08 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Tailgunner Joe

With Obama and Putin in the same room the truth hasn’t a prayer.


41 posted on 04/19/2014 1:56:29 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What exactly was this big lie? Russian troops in Crimea? Really? DOES it MATTER?


42 posted on 04/19/2014 3:09:08 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It’s Like negotiating with Klingons. And his people love him. It’s not for nothing they are called Slavs (at least the Russian puppets).


43 posted on 04/19/2014 4:03:10 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: American Constitutionalist
Call him on his BS every time.... liars hate that.

Hell, many people on this board believe his every word.

44 posted on 04/19/2014 4:04:32 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Mike Darancette

Who is more a danger to the United States of America, pick one:

1. 0bastard

2. Putin

It’s obvious who is more of a danger to our country. And it isn’t the Russian guy thousands of miles away who doesn’t sign executive orders in the WH in Mordor on the Potomac.


45 posted on 04/19/2014 4:21:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fightin Whitey

Putin puts Russia first, no holds barred.

0bastard puts America last, no holds barred.


46 posted on 04/19/2014 4:23:21 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Always A Marine

Excellent comments.


47 posted on 04/19/2014 4:25:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Always A Marine

The only thing that is going to get smashed with Obama at the helm are your fellow Americans.

The idea of smashing Putin with our new girly man military isn’t even slightly possible.


48 posted on 04/19/2014 4:31:56 PM PDT by dforest
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