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Martial Law: Obama Confiscates National Guard Helicopters From All 50 States
Examiner.com ^ | April 14, 2014 | Dave Gibson

Posted on 04/19/2014 1:33:21 PM PDT by lbryce

As if the Obama administration's purchase of more than 2 billion rounds of ammunition, and nearly 3,000 urban tanks, along with their unprecedented (and highly illegal) domestic spying program was not enough to convince you that the federal government is about to suspend the Constitution once and for all, the man who once vowed to run "the most transparent administration in history" has just rather inexplicably, ordered the U.S. Army to seize every Apache attack helicopter currently in use by the National Guard.

In all, the Defense Department will confiscate 192 Apaches from National Guard units around the country and give them to the active duty Army.

In exchange for the heavily armed and highly maneuverable choppers, Guard units will receive 111 UH-60 Blackhawk transport helicopters from the Army, Defense One reports.

Last week, U.S. Army Chief of Staff Gen. Ray Odierno testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee, claiming that the measure will save taxpayers $12 billion, over the next three years.

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It's hard to give The Obama Administration the benefit of the doubt in accepting the reason for confiscating 192 heavily armed, highly maneuverable Apache helicopters as a money-saving move. When one considers that this 'cost saving' move comes from an administration which regularly runs trillion-dollar deficits and, to date, has proposed no less than 442 tax increases since taking office in January 2009, the idea of saving money for the American taxpayer is a bit hard to swallow.

With the recent, attempted seizure of the Bundy family ranch in Nevada by more than 200 armed federal officers, including many snipers, we know that the Obama administration is not afraid to use force against the American people. I would have to consider the confiscation of these helicopters a worrisome move. (gulp!)

1 posted on 04/19/2014 1:33:21 PM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Can’t we just call it a “Recall” for repairs? That’s the ticket for liberals.


2 posted on 04/19/2014 1:37:00 PM PDT by Mark (Obama Care is now DEMOCRAT CARE)
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To: lbryce

It just wouldn’t do for the militia to have
apache choppers in the line up.


3 posted on 04/19/2014 1:37:05 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: lbryce

Why does the National Guard need Apaches?


4 posted on 04/19/2014 1:37:45 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: lbryce

Can’t have the plumbers, rodeo clowns and arrowhead collectors shooting BACK, now can we...?


5 posted on 04/19/2014 1:38:42 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: lbryce

The Examiner isn’t a real anything, and nobody confiscated anything.

Moving things from active to Guard and vice-versa is a normal activity.


6 posted on 04/19/2014 1:40:25 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

The question to me is where are these Apaches going to go. Obviously the military does not need them right now.


7 posted on 04/19/2014 1:40:52 PM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: lbryce
As if the Obama administration's purchase of more than 2 billion rounds of ammunition, and nearly 3,000 urban tanks

What 3,000 "tanks"?

And why is saving 12 billion dollars a bad thing?

8 posted on 04/19/2014 1:43:06 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: lbryce

Here is a Heritage Foundation article, a source better than this nutcase.

The Heritage Foundation:
Congress Should Avert Delays in the Army’s Aviation Restructuring Plans

“The Army’s decision to transfer AH-64 Apache helicopters from the National Guard to the active force has sparked a debate that ultimately concerns the roles, missions, and contributions of these ground components. Congress should prevent unnecessary delays in the implementation of these plans while making a stronger commitment to providing the resources that the armed forces need to maintain national security.”
(snip)
“Congress should support the Army’s efforts to rebalance its assets in a way that benefits both active and Guard components. This can be done by resisting attempts to slow the plan from being executed as quickly as possible while also striving to fund the requirements of the Army and other services more robustly.

Win-Win for Active Army and National Guard

As proposed, the Army’s Aviation Restructure Concept will transfer all of the Guard’s 192 AH-64 Apache attack helicopters to the active component and 15 percent of the active component’s UH-60 Blackhawk utility helicopters to the Guard and Reserve.”


9 posted on 04/19/2014 1:49:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
Why does the National Guard need Apaches?

Because many National Guard Units are combat unit. Combat units which have been deployed many times to combat zones.

Combat units are supposed to have organic assets so it can train/deploy as a unit to be effective in combat.

Medical, artillery, signal, transportation. logistics, engineers and yes - rotary wing ground attack air units.

10 posted on 04/19/2014 1:52:01 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

The National Guard is the Wal-Mart of national defense.

If the federal government was serious about saving money, they’d let the states keep the Apaches and give them the other helicopters too.


11 posted on 04/19/2014 1:52:13 PM PDT by zipper (In Their Heart Of Hearts, Every Democrat Is A Communist.)
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To: Mouton

I recall the then standard response to a logical question from the Army since Washington’s command: “Good Training.”


12 posted on 04/19/2014 1:53:07 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: DIRTYSECRET

They have them for the reserve/National Guard pilots that fly them when they are activated as they were for Afghanistan and Iraq. The state guard units and reserve units have all the same equipment that the active forces have.


13 posted on 04/19/2014 1:54:16 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: zipper
>>>The National Guard is the Wal-Mart of national defense. If the federal government was serious about saving money, they’d let the states keep the Apaches and give them the other helicopters too.

Yep. The National Guard does the same job for about 1/3 the cost. If they really wanted to be constitutional and save money, they would slash the active duty and build up the Guard. No need to have such a large active duty if you stay within the bounds of the constitution and stay out of every wild fire in the world.

14 posted on 04/19/2014 1:56:39 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: lbryce; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

> In exchange for the heavily armed and highly maneuverable choppers, Guard units will receive 111 UH-60 Blackhawk transport helicopters from the Army, Defense One reports.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3145567/posts


15 posted on 04/19/2014 1:59:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ansel12
The Examiner isn’t a real anything, and nobody confiscated anything.

Moving things from active to Guard and vice-versa is a normal activity.

Why'd you have to show up and ruin a perfectly good conspiracy theory? Doncha know those Apaches were for the FEMA camps?

16 posted on 04/19/2014 2:03:10 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: lbryce

Aren’t NG units deployed in combat situations? I know the 69th NY has been deployed at least twice to Iraq. These units are expected to fit seamlessly into the Toe of their operations command. How does transferring the Apache sustain a unit’s ability to perform it’s mission? I really don’t want to go all tinfoil here but 30 years ago ABC did a mini series called Amerika. The Soviets had taken over using EMPs.They divided the nation into five zones and allowed each zone a locally raised guard, but much less well armed than the US troops that were the true occupying force.A poorly armed militia is a scary thought.


17 posted on 04/19/2014 2:06:13 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (.You have never tasted freedom, else you would know it is purchased not with gold but with steel)
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To: Drew68

I know Michigan didn’t pay for the A-10s and other military aircraft stationed at Selfridge ANG base.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 2:06:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Mark

When they say saving the taxpayers they could give a F about us. They lie! If we “THE AMERICAN CITIZEN” are labeled as a domestic terrorist they are treasonist bastards who should be sent to the gallows


19 posted on 04/19/2014 2:07:00 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: lbryce

That’s because they have features that are not strictly for Sporting Purposes.


20 posted on 04/19/2014 2:07:08 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: DIRTYSECRET
"Why does the National Guard need Apaches?"

Uh, 'cause plenty of NG Troops are shipped overseas to do the job the Regular Army used to do all of?

21 posted on 04/19/2014 2:09:05 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: lbryce; DarthDoug
Liberals always telegraph their fears. First, they scrapped the National Guard's A-10s. Now, they are sequestering their Apaches.

Can anyone say, "Vulnerable DHS MRAPs"?

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Obviously 0b0z0 & Holder know on whose side the National Guard will stand when it hits the fan. And they expect that time to be soon.

Now might be a good time to establish good contact with your friends, relatives, and colleagues who are now on active duty... 0b0z0 may have "turned" some of their leaders, but the troops mostly despise him and all he stands for...

22 posted on 04/19/2014 2:09:55 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

The national guard is almost like the army reserve.

They train on apache’s. Most of the national guard have served at least some time in iraq and afghanistan.

I think the guard also trains on abrams tanks.


23 posted on 04/19/2014 2:10:50 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: xkaydet65

Our local NG group has been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan several times over the last 13 years or whatever it is. (246th Transportation Battalion - Jackson, MI)


24 posted on 04/19/2014 2:14:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: lbryce
I'm not a reactionary or one who gets off into conspiracy theory's but this sure seems like a move to make sure the sates can not protect themselves against the feds. That brings about the question of "why would we have to protect ourselves against the federal government?"

The obvious answer is that our president intends to be presidnet for life.

For the first time I'm starting to believe that obama intends to rule our nation by force as a dictator.

Kind of scary the way this is all going. When you add in how he has purged the military leadership it is all starting to become very clear.

I do not want this to happen and I hate how this is all playing out but that is where logic takes us.

Now it is not too hard to see where all the ammunition has been going the last couple of years. They have succeeded in keeping the vast majority out of the hands of the populace. That was their goal. The important question is not where it whet, but where it did not go.

Add it up folks, it isn't looking good.

25 posted on 04/19/2014 2:17:09 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Citizen.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
Why does the National Guard need Apaches?

To guard the nation?
26 posted on 04/19/2014 2:21:35 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: ansel12
Moving things from active to Guard and vice-versa is a normal activity.

I seriously doubt they'll be rotated back to the NG in a couple years.

This to me looks like a way to keep from buying additional choppers by dipping into the reserves.
27 posted on 04/19/2014 2:23:14 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: lbryce

Related:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3145567/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3143481/posts


28 posted on 04/19/2014 2:28:44 PM PDT by upchuck (Support ABLE, the Anybody But Lindsey Effort. Yes, we are the ABLE!!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
Why does the National Guard need Apaches?

'cause the Navajo's can't cut it?

29 posted on 04/19/2014 2:30:25 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: andyk

The Army is doing a huge aviation reorganization. One of the things they are doing is getting rid of Kiowas. They are going to try to do the scout role with Apaches instead. Yeah, I know that is two totally different classes of helicopters, but that is their story. Sounds like they want to park all their TH-57s and replace them with Lakotas, as well. That is another head scratcher when it comes to saving money.


30 posted on 04/19/2014 2:32:05 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

In addition, why is Obama bringing all the tanks from Germany home? They are giving tanks to very small towns who have no need of them, seems ridiculous.


31 posted on 04/19/2014 2:36:14 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat

Which small town, or big city, has received a “tank”?


32 posted on 04/19/2014 2:40:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: andyk

This to me looks like a way to keep from buying additional choppers by dipping into the reserves.

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After a generation of sand wars etc. we may be that depleted in material and money. Our resources are as frail as our liberty.


33 posted on 04/19/2014 2:41:47 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: lbryce

What about the crews? Will htey be transferred to active duty, retrained as Blackhawk pilots, or pushed out of guard service?


34 posted on 04/19/2014 2:41:53 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Kackikat
They are giving tanks to very small towns who have no need of them, seems ridiculous.

Wait a minute. Maybe I want a tank anyway. LOL
35 posted on 04/19/2014 2:42:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ansel12

Brevard, NC among others.


36 posted on 04/19/2014 2:43:18 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: cripplecreek

Hey...why not, and just why are they giving these tanks to small towns....future plans?


37 posted on 04/19/2014 2:45:20 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Psalm 144
After a generation of sand wars etc. we may be that depleted in material and money. Our resources are as frail as our liberty.

Yup. One of the locals who was in Afghanistan in 2012 before leaving the service said that only a small handful of those with her transportation company are even from this state. After several deployments they've depleted the pool of local people willing to spend years away from their families.
38 posted on 04/19/2014 2:49:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: lbryce
"There are a few governors around the country who would not stand for martial-law being arbitrarily declared by this or any president, but without any teeth (i.e. Apache attack helicopters) what could they use to stop Obama's tyranny?"

Simple, open the armories.

These helicopters are but a small piece.

I'd druther face 192 of them than 10mil very angry American men with good rifles.

39 posted on 04/19/2014 2:50:01 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: USNBandit
You're correct about the Kiowas. When I was at Air Assault School recently they told us of their plans to phase them out. They are good for recon and target painting, but they can't carry sh-t for armament. They're only defensive.
40 posted on 04/19/2014 2:50:19 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Paladin2

The National Guard is intended to do a lot of our war fighting, don’t let the Vietnam war when Reserve losses approached 6,000 and Guard losses close to a 100 mislead you into thinking that was normal, in WWII for instance you would be amazed at all the National Guard divisions.


41 posted on 04/19/2014 2:52:20 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: cripplecreek

Alter or abolish it. We’ve drifted under globalists for an entire generation now, all to the detriment of America and Americans outside the Beltway.


42 posted on 04/19/2014 2:54:34 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Kackikat

I call BS on your claim.


43 posted on 04/19/2014 2:55:46 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
From listening to the recruitment ads, it's makes them sound like a Civil Defense Operation.

The NG should be on the Southern Border with effective RoE's.

44 posted on 04/19/2014 2:56:52 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: DIRTYSECRET

I’m a little surprised to hear the National Guard has Apaches too.


45 posted on 04/19/2014 2:57:04 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Kackikat
What they are giving away are MRAPs, a vehicle the military bought just for doing convoy duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. As we draw down those forces the need for those vehicles declines and the government wants to excess them.

Those vehicle aren't being taken away from troops that need them or areas that need them.

46 posted on 04/19/2014 3:02:16 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: NELSON111
The National Guard does the same job for about 1/3 the cost.

They do? We have Airborne units in the Guard, but which one can replace the 82nd Airborne Division with a days, or a years notice?

47 posted on 04/19/2014 3:03:02 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: oldenuff2no

Add your name to the pledge to impeach. Of course, they’ll come for us first. :)

http://www.pledgetoimpeach.com/


48 posted on 04/19/2014 3:04:43 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Paladin2
The NG should be on the Southern Border with effective RoE's.

Then they would still be on active duty, and away from their homes and jobs and families, which is fine with me, but many on this thread don't like that idea.

49 posted on 04/19/2014 3:05:38 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Cyber Liberty

They fly A-10 Thunderbolts and now KC-135 Stratotankers out Of Selfridge ANG base near Detroit.

http://www.voicenews.com/articles/2014/04/18/life/doc53517a415188d437152345.txt


50 posted on 04/19/2014 3:05:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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