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It's Final -- Corn Ethanol Is Of No Use
Forbes ^ | 4/20/2014 | James Conca

Posted on 04/21/2014 12:04:02 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer

OK, can we please stop pretending biofuel made from corn is helping the planet and the environment? With huge subsidies for ethanol in gasoline, with all States now selling gasoline having some ethanol blend, and a general misconception that these biofuels are green, corn ethanol has taken on a $30 billion/yr life of its own.

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To: Progov

As I mentioned, alcohol in gasoline was a ruse to funnel money to farmers without triggering treaty prescribed sanctions. (It’s just ordinary wealth redistribution having nothing to do with what makes sense.) Things done for political reasons are not, on their face, logical. Therefore you can not end them through logic.


21 posted on 04/21/2014 4:30:47 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Vince Ferrer
Those whose pockets are being lined from the production of ethanol are going to make sure that you keep using it!!!
22 posted on 04/21/2014 4:43:40 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
If you store gasoline for any length of time you need to put this stuff in it.

Or your motor won't start anymore.

23 posted on 04/21/2014 4:59:29 AM PDT by McGruff (You believe what your government tells you. Don't you?)
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Since 2010, gasoline manufacturers have been permitted by the EPA to blend 15% ethanol into gasoline used by late model vehicles. Recent studies indicate that this mixture can cause internal engine damage over time. The most critical problem is that the gas/ethanol mixture is not entirely compatible, and will separate causing moisture buildup (water) in the fuel tank. This moisture is then inducted into the engine causing corrosion, resin/gum buildup, hard starting, fuel-injector damage and reduced performance.


24 posted on 04/21/2014 5:00:11 AM PDT by McGruff (You believe what your government tells you. Don't you?)
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To: jonrick46
The more corn ethanol they put in my gasoline, the worse gas mileage i get in my car

It seems that the percent of decrease in mileage is about equal to the percent of increase in ethanol. Is it just filler?

25 posted on 04/21/2014 5:13:04 AM PDT by grania
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To: Vince Ferrer
Correct. And if you are turned off by dirty coal or dirty ammonia, ethanol can also be made more cheaply from sorghum. In fact, when corn was at record high prices, one farm state legislator proposed we do so. Sorghum can be grown in exactly the same climates where corn is grown and demands less water, fertilizer and other inputs.

The fact that the corn lobby fought the proposal tooth and nail to ensure that it never got out of committee tells you all you need to know.

26 posted on 04/21/2014 5:17:56 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: jonrick46

I have switched back to pure gasoline. Fuel mileage is a solid 15% better without the ethanol, and the engine runs noticeably better, esp when cold.

The difference is even more dramatic with a lawn mowers. The engine has a noticeable lope at idle when cold and running on the diluted fuel. Real gasoline cause no such rough running.

I just had to rebuild yet another carburetor ruined by ethanol. The viton part that controls fuel flow had turned to goo because of the alcohol, happens every time.


27 posted on 04/21/2014 5:45:31 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Vince Ferrer

Thanks for the post.


28 posted on 04/21/2014 5:53:43 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: jonrick46

If I fill with REAL GAS, I get 17 mpg.
When I use Ethanol laden gas I get 14 MPG over the same road.


29 posted on 04/21/2014 6:55:18 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I heard that farmers would have to plant every square inch of land in the United States with corn, to produce enough Ethanol to power one vehicle for one year...ONE VEHICLE, FOR ONE YEAR. I also found out (and I know everyone else knows this), that Ethanol causes damage to any gasoline-powered engine and its peripherals. If true low or no-cost alternative-power has been achieved (other than the huge batteries and solar power thus far that are definitely NOT low or no-cost), and vehicles have been created to use such types of power, the vehicles are likely too expensive for the average consumer to purchase, along with the fact that some type of power may need “stations” to be replenished—which are largely unavailable. We all know about hydrogen, Tesla, etc; there are definitely a score of other forms of energy being looked into that we do not know about or are just suspect, may actually be being used in military applications, or have been tried with devastating results. People report seeing things in the sky that make no noise, fly at incredible speeds and do maneuvers that stretch the imagination; many are likely man-made, “alien” hybrid technology, or purely “alien”. My dad told me on more than one occasion that until scientists are able to produce a small or very small and light-weight power storage device or unit, none of their efforts for the achievement of low-cost alternative-powered vehicles will prove fruitful.

As a closing note: I believe there are inter-dimensional, atmospheric beings with incredible physical and technological superiority, which I think are “fallen angels”, or possibly fallen angel-human hybrids called “Nephilim” in the Bible. I also believe the reports of astronauts that orbited the Earth, went to the Moon, flew the Space Shuttle, stayed on the Space Stations MIR and the ISS—when they talked about seeing things in space they could only begin to explain. As far as the “known” universe and all the dimensions that God created, there is no telling what else could be in existence; I do feel that He has placed a barrier on any other beings that are vastly superior to us, so that they cannot “invade” us or wipe us out. But the Lord gave human beings an eternal spirit, sentience or being self-aware, and a free will—so if some people are not just curious but seriously and actively seeking out contact with these other beings, they are being granted access to a certain degree, but all the control is on the other beings’ side but ultimately God’s.

People talk about being abducted and experimented on, some of which didn’t believe in such things existing. Evil comes in many forms, but they are all from the same source: satan, and the Lord Jesus told us through His Word that once we became His through salvation, we would through Him have the power to stop satanic events. You can take authority over satan in the Name of Jesus, and you can plead the Blood of Jesus over the situation. The devil must leave.

In what the Bible calls the “last days”, God will cause a “strong delusion” to come over the populations of the Earth, so that “they will believe a lie.” Our present government administration is a result of such a thing happening, as we all well know.

A bit long-winded, but that is my take on Ethanol for the useless thing that it is. And despite what the “experts” are saying, we are in absolutely no danger of running out of oil, natural gas, or coal; we are simply in danger of not acquiring it via extraction from our own country in time to stave off an energy crisis, and it may already be too late. It takes years to build refineries to process oil.


30 posted on 04/21/2014 8:56:00 AM PDT by Patriot777 (Imagine....that we could see Obama being hauled out of the White House kicking and screaming?)
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To: 9YearLurker

Bullcrap. Mandates do not guarantee that anyone makes a profit. If ethanol production outstrips the mandate, then ethanol prices will fall till no one makes money. For that reason alone they are not subsidies.

Just like corn. I hear the whining and crying about how ethanol is ‘burning our foooooooooooooooooood’ yet the corn price dropped substantially this last year. Obviously the logic is flawed.


31 posted on 04/21/2014 9:05:39 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Free Vulcan

I take it you make your living soaking your fellow Americans with a government-forced mandate, because that’s what we have. The free market wouldn’t be buying this stuff unless we were all forced to, so there wouldn’t be a market for it without the mandate. You can apparently be all for conservatism until it comes to your industry’s own little niche of crony capitalism. The mandate means we have to buy it—and we can only buy it feom t h ose who can afford to be in business supplying it—so of course an (ill-gotten) profit is guaranteed.


32 posted on 04/21/2014 9:15:07 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Free Vulcan

An experiment—it didn’t work, Drop it hard and fast. Invest in Oil and Gas—the proven winners.


33 posted on 04/21/2014 10:02:42 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: DH

Huge corporate farmers? Seriously?


34 posted on 04/21/2014 10:12:29 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: ronnie raygun

In addition to every Demorat politician, virtually every Pubbie running for President has made promises in Iowa to keep the Ethanol subsidies flowing. If there was ever one who didn’t, I don’t know who it is. I think even Pat Buchanan did (I could be wrong. It’s been a lot of years since he last ran).


35 posted on 04/21/2014 10:17:43 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: DH

“Huge corporate farmers” are just like every other “Huge corporation.” They give heavily to slimy pols from both parties.


36 posted on 04/21/2014 10:19:10 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Free Vulcan
...the corn price dropped substantially this last year.

I doubted that so I looked it up, and it has dropped quite a bit. In fact, it's looking like a "Buy" right now, whether the fools fall for the Ethanol hype or not.

37 posted on 04/21/2014 10:23:27 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

Don’t get me wrong - I’m not a big ethanol fan. I am a big added-value ag fan, just don’t think the vehicle is ethanol. But I don’t like the big lefty bogus propaganda that people echo here, they are not the arguments we need to be making or the conversations we should be having.

Sending unprocessed ag products overseas on a barge is a complete waste of the resource when we could be processing it here into many different end uses, creating jobs and value-added products for use here and putting money back into the local rural economy. What we should be for is downplaying ethanol while pushing for a more diversified ag product market.

Many conservatives don’t want that because frankly they want cheap meat and a world of value-added products compete with that. Their desire to bottle up the market is their way of getting their own indirect subsidy for cheap meat that benefits them and no one else.

If we want to have a healthy economy, we need a healthy farm economy and allow farmers to make money with a range of added-value ag products. That means we need policies that don’t hinder markets from developing one way or the other and give farmers a multitude of market choices on how they utilize their production, not direct it to what some special lobby wants.


38 posted on 04/21/2014 10:56:17 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: 9YearLurker

That sword cuts both ways. Let’s cut the BS, it’s not really about ethanol, what most non-farmer conservatives are afraid of is anything that competes with their desire for cheap meat.

They are more than happy to use the govt to structure the market, like it did for many years, to create an artificial situation of low grain prices to create great conditions for their little pet project - a nice little supply of cheap meat. They of course don’t care if the farmer makes money or not, just as long as they can get the govt to create the policy to provide their little indirect subsidy.

So let’s cut the little drama queen hypocrisy and expose the other side of this argument and their little niche of crony capitalism. They’re doing the same thing, they’re just pissed they’ve been getting beat at their own game.


39 posted on 04/21/2014 11:04:52 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Free Vulcan

To my Parents’ dismay, I’ve long been a supporter of refined ag products....especially the kind that comes from corn that George Washington was known for making on his farm.


40 posted on 04/21/2014 11:13:54 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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