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Oklahoma militia gears up to fight with feds
KFOR-TV ^ | April 20, 2014 | Andrew Donley

Posted on 04/21/2014 12:43:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: familyop; All

It just occurred to me that I’ve only personally known 1 person who THOUGHT about running for the senate. 45 years ago I knew a guy who ran for the house. Back then the voters knew the candidates. Today only the elite run for office and the peasants don’t know who they are or who picked them.


51 posted on 04/21/2014 5:30:02 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Jacquerie

I suspect thousands of freedom fighters very soon and they will win becuz fat ass bureaucrats go home to watch sitcoms at 4:30. BTW, those Oklahoma boys are really bad ass but not as bad as TEXAS.Bring it Reid!!


52 posted on 04/21/2014 5:42:10 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: itsahoot


It won’t matter who shoots first, the government thugs will be the innocent parties.”

There will be nothing but defeat if the cause is not just.
It is unfortunate that the pent up anger was provoked into such a confrontation at the Bundy Ranch. We were not really ready and that was not the place to make a stand.

Right now the enemy’s of liberty are controlling this situation, they are choosing the place & time of battle and thou this conferation at the Bundy Ranch may not have gone as perfectly as they had hoped. It is still not to our advantage. Like it or not we cannot deny that in the eyes of the Federal Government and it’s employees in black robes Bundy was in the wrong.

We have only their inappropriate and unjust efforts to compel Bundy’s compliance to defend what was done out of the emotion and outrage Obama’s tactics, lawlessness, and 30 years land abuse.

Let us not be blinded to the fact that we are still very much at a disadvantage. We need something just to rally for, and thoses who join the cause of liberty must have nonthing but justice in their hearts and deeds.

I know this cannot be done with any population of people, but the case we define for the group MUST BE justice for all!


53 posted on 04/21/2014 5:48:47 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Candor7
Obama needs Marshall Law before the November election date when the democrats get snuffed.

I have no idea who Marshall is or what his law says but I am a Texas domestic terrorist who stands ready to oppose the tyranny that the government is trying to impose on us.
54 posted on 04/21/2014 5:55:29 PM PDT by jy8z (When push comes disguised as nudge, I do not budge.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Oklahoma Senator Jim Inhofe weighed in on the matter “You’ve got a bunch of people there trying to take the law into their own hands and they shouldn’t be doing that and the bureau of land management is not government-owned, its publicly owned, there’s a big difference there. I blame both sides.”

What an idiot & imbecile Inofe is! Yah Jim, just like the IRS is supposed to be strictly non-partisan! GTH back to your RINO land!

55 posted on 04/21/2014 5:59:19 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/congress-grants-obama-free-rein-for-martial-law/


56 posted on 04/21/2014 6:10:31 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Here in Oklahoma, militia members say they have nearly 50,000 volunteers"

WOW!!! Wonder how many in TX???

57 posted on 04/21/2014 7:31:42 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Martial Law: The exercise of government and control by military authorities over the civilian population of a designated territory.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Martial+law


58 posted on 04/21/2014 10:20:15 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: MadIsh32

See post #3. “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.” Thomas Jefferson


59 posted on 04/21/2014 10:23:53 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: MadIsh32

See post #3. “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.” Thomas Jefferson


60 posted on 04/21/2014 10:23:56 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: jospehm20
Marshall Law
61 posted on 04/21/2014 11:58:09 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Cool, I did not know of him.


62 posted on 04/22/2014 12:33:49 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: jospehm20

I think there is a lot more support for an Article V state convention to propose amendments than we realize. Yes, resistance on display in the western states is very encouraging.


63 posted on 04/22/2014 1:19:07 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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To: ponygirl

Less than 2 hours after the reporting on Reid and the ChiCom company land deal was put on Drudge on top dead center, they backed down.

There was also the reporter from NY that tried to defuse the confrontation.

Finally the Militia put in place elements that had the BLM Brownshirts in an impossible position. They knew that many, if not all of them, would die if they did what they were told to do.

Best outcome is if Reid’s involvement is totally exposed, before the election. With Reid gone in November, Holder is open for impeachement. With Holder gone, Obozo is open for total exposure. That will prove fatal.


64 posted on 04/22/2014 3:30:50 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: jy8z

Marshall is a great guy........the first thing he does is suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus.

I too have joined the league of patriot domestic tangos who believe in the Constitution. I WILL fight for it.


65 posted on 04/22/2014 8:19:14 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: MadIsh32
This sounds like treason to me.

It isn't; you see the founders were very specific as to what would constitute treason:

CONSTITUTION FOR THE UNITED STATES, Art III, Section. 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
If you look at the text, by using 'them' the Constitution ensures that treason can only be an offense against the several States, not the federal government; they specifically and cleverly excluded the federal government from the crime precisely because the Revolution was still recent in everyone's minds — and they knew that a central government could accrue/usurp much power to itself.
66 posted on 04/22/2014 8:47:07 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

> Organize, fine....be ready....fine. Let them start this. They are begging for some trigger-happy, hot-headed, militia idiot to instigate a fight so they can throw their entire weight down on the people.

All they need is an excuse.

Agree. If the militia fires the first shot, the APCs and brownshirts get deployed. They would use National Guard but I think they’re sort of afraid they’d turn around and draw down on them.


67 posted on 04/22/2014 10:10:41 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

> I know that, I was in military intelligence. LOL

Then you know how intellergent they were right?...lol


68 posted on 04/22/2014 10:12:49 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: All

It’s “MARTIAL LAW” people, not ‘Marshall Law’.

Thanks!


69 posted on 04/22/2014 11:09:45 AM PDT by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Martial law with the suspension of the election in the face of a Serious Crisis may be the only way the demorats can maintain their iron grip on power.
70 posted on 04/22/2014 11:26:19 AM PDT by Swen Manuela1
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To: Progov

The Feds do NOT have enough people to maintain Martial law (Note the spelling) for more than a month, at best. (Note the spelling)

Martial law is the imposition of military power over designated regions on an emergency basis. Martial law is usually imposed on a temporary basis.


71 posted on 04/22/2014 6:31:18 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: uncommonsense
>> "Here in Oklahoma, militia members say they have nearly 50,000 volunteers"
>
> WOW!!! Wonder how many in TX???

I wouldn't be surprised if it was roughly the same number, or even fewer… you see, Texas is the Republican-party of the states: it talks good things but doesn't do them, it lives off a reputation that it doesn't deserve, and they have a misfounded haughty pride about their status as Texans, and so forth.

72 posted on 04/22/2014 8:50:19 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
"you see, Texas is the Republican-party of the states: it talks good things but doesn't do them, it lives off a reputation that it doesn't deserve, and they have a misfounded haughty pride about their status as Texans, and so forth."

You say:

"That's pretty bold talk for a one-eyed fat man."

Then I say - "FILL YOUR HANDS YOU SON-OF-A-BIEACH"

Rooster Cogburn quote just in case...

Seriously, give me one Ted Cruz produced by wherever you're from...

73 posted on 04/22/2014 8:58:53 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: jsanders2001

When it gets down to the nitty gritty, they plan on calling in the blue hats, and the ruskies.


74 posted on 04/22/2014 9:09:11 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: uncommonsense
Seriously, give me one Ted Cruz produced by wherever you're from...

I like Ted Cruz, but let's face it he's not representative of Texas as a whole (in the sense of yeah, most Texans are like him).
In fact, he's a pretty big exception/anomaly in the Republican party because he isn't all talk and no action… so you're kinda proving my point.

TX struts around and tries to present itself as all the things it was years ago (twenty? thirty? fifty? In any case, the younger generation has no experience with the actuals that produced the reputation1), just like the Republican party does trying to wave the flag and say it's the party of Reagan, principles, God-Country-Family, whatever-sounds-good-so-you'll-vote-for-Romney..


1 &mdsah; how much does the state intrude on life? the county? the city? — is it an incredible amount compared to a half-century ago?

75 posted on 04/22/2014 9:23:22 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

you’re from where?


76 posted on 04/22/2014 11:42:13 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: OneWingedShark
TX is rated at the top of states for doing business and creating jobs for the last decade. That takes freedom.

Our legislature meets every other year. That limits political encroachment.

We have a robust primary process to get rid of GOPe/RINO/LIBS.

There will always be a fight between the takers and producers. The FED is Texas's worst enemy on this front. At least we have the best resourced, most effective front fighting against Fed takeover of every aspect of life in the USA.

By the way, there's no problem getting ammo, firearms, or canceled carry in Austin where I live (the most lib city in TX). Put that in your pipe (where ever you live) and smoke it.

77 posted on 04/22/2014 11:53:28 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: OneWingedShark
One last point... giving your uninformed opinion does NOT prove your point.

"I like Ted Cruz, but let's face it he's not representative of Texas as a whole (in the sense of “yeah, most Texans are like him”). In fact, he's a pretty big exception/anomaly in the Republican party because he isn't all talk and no action… so you're kinda proving my point.

Based on your irrational, uninformed discourse, you sound like someone from Democratic Underground...
78 posted on 04/23/2014 12:01:38 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: uncommonsense
TX is rated at the top of states for doing business and creating jobs for the last decade. That takes freedom.

So it's doing better than the rest of the unconstitutional [read socialist] states of America.
Congrats on being eaten last.

Our legislature meets every other year. That limits political encroachment.

Like other states don't?
Heck, some states have a fairly short limit on how long their legislature can be in session.

We have a robust primary process to get rid of GOPe/RINO/LIBS.

Bwahahaha — if that was true you wouldn't see people whining and crying about the demographics turning on you, or afraid that you'll turn purple.

There will always be a fight between the takers and producers. The FED is Texas's worst enemy on this front. At least we have the best resourced, most effective front fighting against Fed takeover of every aspect of life in the USA.

Call me when there's actual fighting to be done — until then: it's just more talk.

By the way, there's no problem getting ammo, firearms, or canceled carry in Austin where I live (the most lib city in TX).

What about open carry -- wasn't it Austin where the guy was recently arrested for open-carrying a long-gun? (Could have been Houston.)

Put that in your pipe (where ever you live) and smoke it.

Can you wear your gun with you to jury duty? [Assuming it's not a federal court, but that's another contraconstitutional issue.]
Howabout polling places when you go vote?

79 posted on 04/23/2014 12:11:49 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: uncommonsense
One last point... giving your uninformed opinion does NOT prove your point.
"I like Ted Cruz, but let's face it he's not representative of Texas as a whole (in the sense of “yeah, most Texans are like him”). In fact, he's a pretty big exception/anomaly in the Republican party because he isn't all talk and no action… so you're kinda proving my point.
Based on your irrational, uninformed discourse, you sound like someone from Democratic Underground...

Oh? then you're claiming that Ted Cruzes are a dime a dozen there in TX?
If that's so, then why is it a refreshing surprise that Ted Cruz isn't a pushover? I mean, if guys like him were common, wouldn't it be par for course to have a [TX] Senator like that?

Seriously; you're so sensitive to my admittedly offensive manner that you can't make a coherent train of thought?
I guess everything's bigger in Texas doesn't apply to the thickness of your skin.

80 posted on 04/23/2014 12:18:42 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: uncommonsense
I'm from Las Cruces — right across the border from El Paso.*
While I admit such a wretched hive of scum and villainy (e.g. El Paso Electric) isn't representative of TX; I do have family there and I do visit — I'm not saying that TX isn't enjoyable, what I am saying is that Texans are generally all talk and, especially those that give the well, I'm from Texas song-and-dance are trying to create an association (to some ideal TX) with themselves without any actual effort.

* El Paso manages to combine the worst of (A) a border town, (B) a military town, and (C) a university town — it was recently given good ratings for having a low murder-rate, but the reason this happened was because El Paso has THREE trauma hospitals so there's a LOT of medical services which prevent the death which would be a murder in a different town.

81 posted on 04/23/2014 12:28:25 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
"Call me when there's actual fighting to be done"

Please tell me what state I'm calling to... you've dodged it 3 time so far.

I'll give you the benefit of a doubt that you're more ignorant than quarrelsome (or a troll).

TX has more TX taxpayer funded supreme court challenges to Fed over reach than any other state (probably all combined). Good thing business is going so well, least the lame a$$ place you're from would have to actually cough up money to help peel back Fed overreach!

Clearly, you're all hat and no cowboy...

82 posted on 04/23/2014 12:29:16 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: OneWingedShark
"I'm from Las Cruces"

New Mexico...? Using your vernacular "Bwahahaha"!

No wonder you were evasive! Gorgeous state - no question! But, bottom of the barrel on just about every other category. So, perhaps you should step down from your tiny, unstable, sanctimonious soap box...

83 posted on 04/23/2014 12:46:38 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: uncommonsense
Please tell me what state I'm calling to... you've dodged it 3 time so far.

*sigh* — I thought you would've at least looked at my profile.
The little yellow and red flag is New Mexico.

I'll give you the benefit of a doubt that you're more ignorant than quarrelsome (or a troll).

Thank you.

TX has more TX taxpayer funded supreme court challenges to Fed over reach than any other state (probably all combined).

Yeah, and looking at the USSC and it's decisions I'd say that's not something to boast about… especially the more recent ones.

Good thing business is going so well, least the lame a$$ place you're from would have to actually cough up money to help peel back Fed overreach!

How do you know we don't; actually I've done my own personal investigations into the matter ant there's some huge problems to taking things to court… namely, you have to first violate the statute/law/rule that you believe to be contraconstitutional (this intentionality means that you are implicitly acknowledging the legitimacy of its authority), then as the accused you raise your objections/arguments, and even then there's some [rather large] risk that things will not swing your way.

For example, last year there was a New Mexico Supreme Court decision regarding a photographer who refused to photograph a homosexual wedding wherein they decided that the hoosexual's rights had been violated — this in complete defiance of the State's own Constitution, which says:

Art 2, Sec. 11. [Freedom of religion.]
Every man shall be free to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience, and no person shall ever be molested or denied any civil or political right or privilege on account of his religious opinion or mode of religious worship. No person shall be required to attend any place of worship or support any religious sect or denomination; nor shall any preference be given by law to any religious denomination or mode of worship.
So, obviously the refusal to participate in a homosexual wedding on religious grounds constitutes a religious opinion; it is equally obvious that the ability to refuse your services to someone is a civil right. Therefore, their decision is the abridgement of this portion of the State's own Constitution.

Now, if you were to argue that federal law could apply here you're right — the 13th Amendment prohibits involuntary servitude [save as conviction result] and forcing someone to provide a service, even if you pay them, is placing them into servitude and, because of the voiced religious objection, such servitude is invoulentary. Moreover, congress is prohibited from passing any law which prohibits the exercise of religion.

Now, all of the above legal reasoning means nothing.
Why? Because the courts don't give a crap about the Constitution.
They're all into precedent, and penumbras, and what they can get away with* rather than any sound reasoning — doubly so if that reasoning is based on the Constitution.

Clearly, you're all hat and no cowboy...

Really? When'd I ever claim to be a cowboy?


* Baffle `em with bullshit!

84 posted on 04/23/2014 12:50:38 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
"* “Baffle `em with bullshit!”"

You did reasonably well with that tactic... but facts get in the way...

Forbes Best States for Business 2013

TX # 7; NM # 45 (Mich is #47)

Chief Executive 2013 Best & Worst States for Business

TX # 1; NM # 32

CNBC top states for business: The winner is . . .

Texas, which has never finished below second place in our study, keeps the streak alive in 2013.

Area Development Magazine - Top States for Doing Business 2013: Texas on Top....Again
85 posted on 04/23/2014 1:32:11 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: uncommonsense

I never said that business was bad in TX; why do you keep bringing it up?


86 posted on 04/23/2014 1:37:49 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
"I never said that business was bad in TX; why do you keep bringing it up?"

Really?

Freedom = greater opportunity = greater output = greater success...

Lower state gov regulations and tax burdens, including successfully fighting the Feds - with TX being the largest hydrocarbon producer in the nation (oil & gas) = freedom.

Great STATE schools. Great cities and rural communities that produce needed products and services worldwide only happens within an environment of liberty. Need I go on...?

87 posted on 04/23/2014 1:57:09 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: OneWingedShark
"I never said that business was bad in TX; why do you keep bringing it up?"

Why is America better than, say.. Pakistan? Or the UK? Or France? Or Russia, Japan, and so on.

Economic success is a VERY important barometer of liberty. You should understand that with all of chosen quotes on your profile page.

88 posted on 04/23/2014 2:02:32 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: uncommonsense
>> "I never said that business was bad in TX; why do you keep bringing it up?"
>
> Really?
> Freedom = greater opportunity = greater output = greater success...

False equivalence — here's why: Nazi Germany.
In just a few short years Germany went from drowning in debt to a powerhouse (militarily and economically) — one of the the things that enabled this was the seizure of real properties, real wealth of its Jewish citizens — this is, by some measures, a great success.

Lower state gov regulations and tax burdens, including successfully fighting the Feds* - with TX being the largest hydrocarbon producer in the nation (oil & gas) = freedom.

I thought ND was now the biggest oil producer in the US, AK probably would be if ANWR had been opened up — but those are probably second-/third-hand info in the articles I [vaguely] remember reading.

Great STATE schools.

No, not really.
Do you have seven year olds doing matrices? Do you have 12 year-olds doing calculus? Do you still have problems reading? What about foreign languages — do you have people graduating who are bi-/tri-lingual due to the school-system? (How about widely differing languages like Japanese and Irish?)

Great cities and rural communities that produce needed products and services worldwide only happens within an environment of liberty.

Yeah, liberty — do you have:

  1. Federal Judges telling you that you cannot direct your own state?
    Looks like it to me.
    (If not, then why do you have abortions at all? Why not thumb your nose at Roe v. Wade — citing that the medical right to privacy which the court found no longer applies as per both the Affordable Care Act and the NSA's domestic espionage/data-collection programs?)
  2. "Botched" No Knock Raid clusters.
  3. the War on Drugs?
    Because, last I checked, the Constitution had to be amended to allow such enforcement WRT Alcohol… no such amendment exists WRT drugs.
  4. Did TX do anything to enact/extract retribution to the State Sponsored Terrorism operation, and cleanest Treason case in a hundred years, known as Fast & Furious?
  5. Tolerance for politicians, lawyers, and law-enforcement agents who do not hold to their respective Constitutions?
You may have more liberty than a lot of states (I wouldn't say all), but don't deceive yourself: you're still in the same boat as the rest of us.
As is, the Constitution is a suicide pact: it only applies when those in charge want it to, and doesn't when they don't.

Need I go on...?

No — I can see your Texas is great because… Texas! from here.
Like I said, it's all a bunch of big-talk, and a lot of it is really just self deception.
(I'm not saying there aren't good aspects to TX; I am saying that you're not realistically assessing TX.)

* I don't believe it; the Feds have ways of making a success hollow — mostly because they're statists and will twist anything around to avoid weakening their god, the government, and everything in their power to make it more powerful. (The next Waco will be their human sacrifices.)

89 posted on 04/23/2014 2:51:48 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: uncommonsense
Economic success is a VERY important barometer of liberty. You should understand that with all of chosen quotes on your profile page.

Yes; I understand it's a barometer, but by no means the only barometer.
Moreover, I am completely convinced of the correctness, and astuteness, of our Declaration:

all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed
There are many injustices, tyrannies, and evils that we (a) do not notice, or (b) are terrified to change because we have become used to them.
The Income Tax is one; A hundred (and change) years ago there was none.
The Federal Reserve is another, it was instituted the same year as the Income Tax.
A hundred years ago, you could plainly argue a case based on the Constitution — now you cannot.
Fifty years ago a State could set its own qualifications and restrictions in law — like outlawing abortion, today we have [federal] judges telling states that they cannot amend their State's own constitution [or that such amendment is illegitimate] (See Prop 8)… despite the 10th Amendment.
And more — it would be easier to list the number of Constitutionally authorized agencies than to list the number of unconstitutional ones.
90 posted on 04/23/2014 3:02:27 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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