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The U.S. Military Is a Socialist Paradise
The Daily Beast ^ | April 21, 2014 | Jacob Siegel

Posted on 04/21/2014 9:57:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Carl from Marietta

I poked him a little.
Figured this was a thread right up his alley.
So far, he still has yet to explain why he believes the military are mercenaries “because they get paid”.
Maybe he’ll make a thread laying out his case?
Maybe if he’s real good, he can lay out logical reasons on why the military shouldn’t be paid.
I’m honestly curious as to why he hates us so much, calls us Rambo wannabes, skinheads, and thinks that we’re mercenaries specifically because we get paid.


81 posted on 04/22/2014 5:32:37 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You mean troops don’t get free checks to work on their art and music talents that they have no market for?


82 posted on 04/22/2014 5:34:57 PM PDT by CommieCutter ("For an idea to be too simplistic, it must first be proven wrong" --Thomas Sowell)
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To: Darksheare

Sounds like an extreme Paulestinian (Rontard), but I could be wrong. Wonder what he thinks I was buying with that $397 a month, before taxes and other deductions? If he thinks I joined the Army for that amount of money, when I could have easily made up to 10X as much on the outside, I don’t know what to say.


83 posted on 04/22/2014 5:37:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

*shrugs*
Maybe we’ll see an explanation.
Maybe not.
Likely not.
Not holding my breath.


84 posted on 04/22/2014 5:39:13 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Billthedrill

You can say that the pay system is similar to a socialist model. An E5 digging ditches and an E5 working on sophisticated electronics makes the same pay. All the other stuff don’t really compare.


85 posted on 04/22/2014 5:43:03 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: USAF80

The Air Force offers special duty pay, hazardous duty pay, incentive pay and reenlistment bonuses to encourage service in certain hard to fill career fields. I’m sure other services do the same.


86 posted on 04/22/2014 5:48:10 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Very few bonuses these days. Most of your had to fill career fields are in the maintenance areas.


87 posted on 04/22/2014 6:00:41 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You can leave the service when your enlistment is up, you can’t leave a socialist/fascist state like we now have.

I will die in a socialist/fascist country as a slave to the collective, I was born a free man in a country known as America.


88 posted on 04/22/2014 6:45:03 PM PDT by stockpirate (Only a tidal wave of tyrants blood will return our tree of liberty......)
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To: Billthedrill
The author is very confused not about the military, but about socialism.

That's what I was thinking too. Socialism? Not really seeing it. Now if he had said the military is a Nanny Staters Paradise, I could agree. Anyone who has spent time on any base of any service is familiar with the mind-numbing volume of chickensh*t rules governing every aspect of life.

89 posted on 04/22/2014 8:43:55 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: goldstategop

Military people are eager to get the benefits promised to them and deserved, if you want to call that socialist, go for it. I’d bet you have no up close experience with the military, hmmmm???


90 posted on 04/23/2014 6:00:06 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (God is not dead!)
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To: stanne

My military retiree husband died fairly young, mentally ill and had let life insurance run down to virtually nothing. So I faced my middle age and old age with nothing. Then they let me buy into that pension thing, I used the small ant he did get from life insurance to buy into that plan and I thank God for the small payment I get each month for the rest of my life. Still, I should get his retirement. But I don’t and I won’t get what I should, so I’m thankful for this.


91 posted on 04/23/2014 6:06:37 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (God is not dead!)
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To: Shimmer1

Right.

When people realize that the pension is gone quickly, they wisely get the survivors benefit.

Paul Ryan threatened to take that away. As if it’s ok. As if anyone would dream of doing that in the private sector.

People are completely ignorant and yet judgemental about military compensation.

They believe that you should give that up, without recognition, and while the govt is giving away resources to people who (yes some need it) do not want to work, or cannot afford to work, as a result of govt policies.

If Michelle Obama gave half what she spends on a vacation to a pension fund, it would set at least a few people up for life, who’ve given everything to the military.


92 posted on 04/23/2014 6:14:12 AM PDT by stanne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Um, sir... thanks for your service, but your assertion is 100% wrong. The US military is not one of the only working models of Communism in America. There are over 100 million such models. In point of fact, Communism works almost perfectly, and in ALL cultures and ALL societies. It's called "The Family Unit". The problems inherent in Communism arise when you start forcing vast numbers of people to pretend they are a family, and to act accordingly, and do it at the point of a gun. Well, you're not my dad, I don't love her kids as much as my own, and I won't work harder so that my "brothers" that I've never seen (and read bad things about in the newspaper) can have a better life. Communism is an utter failure of a philosophy, everywhere it is tried... other than the family unit.

From each, according to their ability, to each according to their needs... Dad, and maybe mom, generate revenues. The new baby has lots of needs, and his big sister is a special needs child and needs lots more, but their older brother Simon is a healthy teen, and he mostly covers himself with his paper route money. They work harder and cooperate and share and sacrifice because they love each other. I, and most others, will NOT do it so that families in Baltimore and Pine Bluff and Catawba OH can have as much (or more) than the ones I do actually love and care for.

93 posted on 04/23/2014 6:17:28 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Carl from Marietta
"If the military had accomplished a damn thing..."

So it's the fault of the actual servicemember's that Iraq and Afghanistan are potential failures?

Last time I checked, the frackin' ahole in the WH is the CinC...

Your comment is frackin' stupid, because just about everyone of the servicemembers "accomplished some damn things"...the military performed quite honorably with the ROE and constraints imposed against them in order to ensure that they could not win.

And the thing is, they did it KNOWING they had little chance to be successful, but still followed orders and did their level best to perform as professionals.

"...self aggrandizement..."?

Get bent.

94 posted on 04/23/2014 6:38:40 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: stanne

?

Not every military female who is pregnant is single...so your comment indicates that you’re full of crap and I suspect you’re taking this whole thing just a tad too personally...

Pregnant females are a liability in the military and others are forced to pick up their workload as a result of the US military being a “social experimentation” workshop.


95 posted on 04/23/2014 6:42:11 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: USAF80

I wish all the C5’s were getting the re-engining...I read where Dover is getting 18 of the modified birds, I suspect Travis is as well...something like 50 birds total, so Altus is probably going to have some for training I suspect.

Cut my teeth on them...a mechanic’s jet engine...had to have game if you worked on them.


96 posted on 04/23/2014 6:45:33 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: stanne

Ryan is dead to me, I’ll NEVER support him and will campaign against him if for no other reason than he does not support our military (or Rand Paul, who supports illegal immigration)

WHY can’t we get a truly conservative representative? We keep getting these jerks who are conservative in a few ways and then support the Democrats in other ways. puke!


97 posted on 04/23/2014 7:14:03 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (God is not dead!)
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To: stanne

Ryan is dead to me, I’ll NEVER support him and will campaign against him if for no other reason than he does not support our military (or Rand Paul, who supports illegal immigration)

WHY can’t we get a truly conservative representative? We keep getting these jerks who are conservative in a few ways and then support the Democrats in other ways. puke!


98 posted on 04/23/2014 7:14:22 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (God is not dead!)
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To: SZonian

It’s personal?

No

Statistics please otherwise you sound misogynous


99 posted on 04/23/2014 7:40:30 AM PDT by stanne
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To: goldstategop
"Military people are socialist when it comes to their benefits."

No, just expect the American people to live up to their commitments. We were the ones who risked our lives, lost years with our families, lived and sometimes fought in the armpits of the world while know-it-alls like you enjoyed the benefits of freedom and safety.

It might have been somewhat palatable if everyone else took the same cuts - like our Congressmen or our other "leaders", but no, we were singled out.

I used to resent people like you during my time in service but age and wisdom have taught me that the people who didn't volunteer know themselves best and know that they don't have the talent. We were better off without you.

100 posted on 04/23/2014 8:03:41 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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