Posted on 04/22/2014 10:15:21 AM PDT by tcrlaf
“And I am sick to death of hearing ... Russia is completely in the right and should invade Ukraine killing as many Ukrainians as necessary... [spit]”
Link one such post from FR.
Super listing! Thanks very much
“What does that even mean ‘vacated his office’.”
The phrase, “vacated his office,” means its exact definition in this case, i.e. Yanukovych left his office vacant by tendering an official statement of resignation from that office on 21 February 2014.
“Yanukovich is the legal president of Ukraine ruling from his office or any other place in the world.”
Yanukovych ceased being the de facto and/or the de jure President of the Ukraine the moment he tendered his resignation from that office and left it vacant. To return to the office of the President after resigning from it, Yanukovych is obligated to gain reelection to the office like any other person who seeks to be elected to occupy the office. Demonstrate where Yanukovych has fulfilled the requirements to gain reelection to the office from which he resigned on 21 February 2014.
“The agreement between Yanukovich and the opposition was signed on February 21.”
The Euromaidan protestors rejected the agreement made by the opposition Deputies in the parliament, but Yanukovych resigned from his office and vacated it because he feared the parliament was about to authorize a criminal investigation into his alleged crimes and perhaps initiate impeachment proceedings under Article 111 of the constitution, “if he commits treason or other crime.”
“He was illegally impeached on February 22. So much for the rule of law.”
On the contrary, no impeachment of Yanukovych was required because he had already tendered his official statement of resignation from the office of the president. Since Yanukovych had already delivered his official resignation and left the office of the president vacant, the parliament was well within its constitutional powers to begin the constitutional procedures to appoint the Speaker of the parliament as the acting president until such time as the presidential election elected a new president to occupy the vacated office of the president.
Your comments evidence a contempt for “the rule of law” by disregarding it.
Fraudulently or not, an idiotic left-wing teleprompter reader is at the head of our country right now, and his VP was originally chosen for his "Foreign Policy expertise," which in truth extends no farther ... if that far ... than the borders of Delaware.
Did not our POTUS more or less hand Putin a blank check when he promised "...more flexibility after the (re) election?" Of course, not one (1) Republican has seen fit to meaningfully oppose or even attempt to have some voice in the administration's foreign policy.
“And I am sick to death of hearing ... Russia is completely in the right and should invade Ukraine killing as many Ukrainians as necessary...”
Link one such post from FR.
Avakov and the government resigned. Yanukovych demies resigning.
Yanukovych denies resignation, claims ‘coup’ is in progress in Ukraine
Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych has described events in the capital as “a coup” as parliament voted to dismiss him.
Yanukovych said on Saturday that he had no intention of resigning, and compared events in the capital to the coming to power of the Nazis in 1930s Germany.
“I am not leaving the country for anywhere. I do not intend to resign. I am the legitimately elected president,” Yanukovych told a television station in the eastern city of Kharkiv.
Claiming that the political crisis resembled the rise of the German Nazi party, Yanukoych said he would not be leaving the country. “Everything happening today can primarily be described as vandalism, banditry and a coup d’etat. That is my assessment.”
“This is not an opposition,” he said. “These are bandits.”
However, as he spoke, parliament voted to dismiss the president, and voted to impeach the president. The assembly also set May 25 as the date for fresh elections.
http://www.dw.de/yanukovych-denies-resignation-claims-coup-is-in-progress-in-ukraine/a-17451230
I remember an uprising in the Ukraine over the winter. Is the government in charge there today pro-EU/West or pro-Russia?
The only thing that resembles Nazi Germany is the Russian illegal annexation of parts of Ukraine to “protect German/Russian speaking minorities”.
Bottom line for me is that the Ukrainians have the RIGHT to toss off abusive government and replace it with one that is conducive to a civil society. I especially support their right to toss the Russians off just based on the 20th Century. The Russian government may no longer be Commie but at the rate they kill good journalists and opposition I would say that they are not in the good guys category. All of this “he said, she said” is besides the one important point that the Ukrainians deserve the right to self determination.
It appears that what is going on there and in other hotspots is that the global elite (including Putin) are moving their chess pieces for the next great war.
“the global elite (including Putin) are moving their chess pieces for the next great war.”
There is a much bigger global game at play, than just events in Ukraine, which is just one part of it. As I have said before, they are just the current victims of it.
The same scenario has played out in Tunisia, Libya,egypt, and to some extent in Syria, when the Russians finally said, “NYET!”.
Bulgaria’s announcement yesterday about supporting Russia’s South Stream pipeline project to Europe, over the Saudi supported pipeline from Turkey/Syria brings it all together.
Yes, the game is global, including here in the States.
The nominal government now in Kiev is made up of the people from the protests in Kiev.
I say nominal government because they call themselves the government and have been recognized as such by the EU and US in spite of the fact that they have very little authority outside of Kiev.
They claim to be legitimate because the Parliament (the same Parliament they had surrounded with a Molotov throwing mob) voted to make them the interim government. Now they need a reason to not let Eastern Ukraine vote, not count the votes from the Eastern Ukraine, or to "delay" the elections, in order to stay in power.
If you dig around enough you'll find that Kiev doesn't even have much control over the police and military in Western Ukraine in spite of the fact that the media propagandists are fixated on Eastern Ukraine. Kiev claims to be in charge but Police and Military in the Ukraine, East and West, mostly ignore the "government" in Kiev when they're not actively siding against them.
The Ukraine has sort of an Army, that sort of has a chain of command, that the current people in charge can sort of control as long as the payroll arrives on time. Kiev is careful not to give Army units enough fuel to leave their bases, though, because when they do even regular paychecks aren't enough to keep them from defecting to the anti-coup side. It's a very dangerous state of affairs for people who took over in a coup. That's why they're begging for troops from another country to intervene. They need a foreign military to keep them in power, it's about that simple. If shouting Russian Wolves !!! doesn't work, they'll have to use what police and armed supporters they can muster in Kiev to "crackdown" on their Right Sector pals and beg for foreign troops to protect them from radical Ukrainian Nationalists instead of Russians.
Someone will spill the beans soon enough and maybe people in the US will realize this is "Ukraine Spring" courtesy of and sponsored by the same US/EU agitator corps that tried to hand Egypt to the MB and successfully handed Libya to Jihadists. I figure when the threats to bomb Eastern Ukraine start that's when the Brits or Germans, maybe even the French, will break ranks. I also think a tidbit or two that Snowden has passed along is going to eventually be published and when it is, it's going to show that people in the EU, the US, and Ukraine, have been working to generate Civil Unrest or Civil War in the Ukraine for quite a while.
Blaming Putin for taking advantage of the unrest is a little stupid, really. The billions that the US and EU pour into intelligence aren't all wasted. Someone has to have pointed out that Putin would take advantage of a deepening mess in the Ukraine. Not that the uber smart people in charge would listen to the Intelligence guys, just that there's no way the EU and US were as shocked at how Putin has behaved as they pretend to be. He is what he is an he made it clear he was willing to go to the mat to keep the Crimea secure and the Ukraine at least neutral if not under his thumb. The more than generous deal he gave the Ukraine made that much clear to anyone not deliberately hiding from reality.
Too bad no one on the EU/US side was clever enough to just beat his offer and wait on the scheduled elections. Then none of this would have happened and the only difference would be who the EU/US has to payoff to keep the Ukraine slogging along as a mess the way it has for the past twenty or so years.
Not to mention the kewl armbands and flags they displayed during he non-mob, non-coup in Kiev.
Nah I just recall what actually happened before it was completely rewritten.
But feel free to call reality a lie ol chap.
It may come as somewhat of a shock to you but not every action engaged in by the Obama administration is a good thing, this muckin around in the Ukraine included.
The Saudis will be demanding their little dancing boys come home from King Barry’s Neverland unless he can derail this in a hurry.
22 February, 21:09Ukrainian parliament passes resolution on Yanukovich’s resignation
Ukraine’s parliament has approved a resolution on the resignation of President Viktor Yanukovych. A total of 328 deputies have noted for the parliament’s resolution. The resolution, which envisages holding presidential elections on May 25, 2014, will come into effect since the parliament has approved the resolution.
Protests in Ukraine continue despite gov’t-opposition deal. LIVE UPDATES
The resolution says Yanukovych removed himself from the constitutional powers. “The state cannot depend on the mood of the president, who has removed himself and whose whereabouts are unknown,” Verkhovna Rada speaker Aleksander Turchinov said.
“I want to say at about 15:00 Moscow time we’ve succeeded in contacting Yanukovych. In the presence of deputies Arseny Yatsenyuk (head of the Batkivshchina faction) has talked with him. Yatsenyuk proposed him to resign and he (Yanukovych) agreed,” Turchinov said, adding “Later, talking with other people Yanukovych denied his statement.”
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_02_22/Ukrainian-parliament-passes-resolution-on-Yanukovich-s-resignation-4253/
Yanukovych tendered his resignation directly to the Deputies and officers of the Verkhovna Rada (parliament), so his later change of mind and denials of his resignation are without legal authority. The Verkhovna Rada had lawful cause under Article 111 of the constitution to remove Yanukovych from office. So, Yanukovych’s belated claims of a coup are baseless propaganda attempting to use a separatist minority in a civil war to overthrow the majority rule of the Deputies of the Verkhovna Rada elected by the citizens of the Ukraine.
“Nah I just recall what actually happened before it was completely rewritten.”
Article 111 was included in the 1996 and the 2004 constitutions, so you are engaging in more false statements calculated to mislead readers with disinformation.
“But feel free to call reality a lie ol chap.”
Given the fact the provisions of Article 111 appeared in the 1996 and 2004 constitutions, your statement claiming “it was completely rewritten” is an obvious lie serving to mislead the readers by claiming your fiction is a reality. Your statement therefore qualifies as a direct example of the false propaganda tactics used by Goebbels in the NAZI Third Reich.
“It may come as somewhat of a shock to you but not every action engaged in by the Obama administration is a good thing, this muckin around in the Ukraine included.”
That statement is an attempt by you to change the subject with the use of a strawman argument that doen’t have anything whatsoever with the immediate topic of Yanikovych’s resignation from the presidency and the constitutional authority of the Verkhovna Rada (parliament) to perform its constitutional duties under Article 111 of both of the Ukrainian constitutions.
Your statement also falsely implies that I would support the Obama Administration, when in fact I do not.
I’m not a lawyer, and I don’t play one on the internet, either.
Bottom line is that the government was removed at the threat of the mob. That’s called a “Coup”.
“Bottom line is that the government was removed at the threat of the mob. That’s called a ‘Coup’.”
The Verkhovna Rada (Parliament) is the elected government of the Ukraine, and it has not been overthrown by force yet, despite the efforts of former President Yanukovych to subvert and overthrow the constitutional powers of the Verkhovna Rada with the assistance of foreign Russian intelligence services and military forces.
Coup d’état. Political move to overthrow existing government by force...(Black’s Law Dictionary, 6th, 1990, p. 351).
25.02.2014 13:18
Press office of President’sResolution of the Verkhovna Rada No. 764-VII of 23.02.2014
On conferring powers of the President of Ukraine on the Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada according to article 112 of the Constitution of Ukraine’
given that President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych withdrew from performing the constitutional powers
The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine hereby resolves:
1. To confer the powers of the President of Ukraine on Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Turchynov Oleksandr Valentynovych according to article 112 of the Constitution of Ukraine.
2. The given Resolution shall enter into force upon its adoption.
Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada
O.TURCHYNOV
Former President Yanukovych has denied his resignation from the office of the president despite the Deputies of the Verkhovna Rada witnessing his resignation. If Yanukovych believes he has a genuine complaint about the Verkhovna Rada improperly claiming Yanukovych resigned his office, he has the duty to file a complaint with the Constitutional Court of Ukraine. Yanukovych has not filed such a complaint with the Constitutional Court of Ukraine. Instead, Yanukovych has engaged in a wide variety of acts of treason before and after his resignation with the objective of overthrowing the constitutional government of Ukraine, which meets the definitions of attempts to commit a Coup d’état and/or insurrection.
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