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Russia to call up UNSC meeting if Kiev continues military crackdown
RT ^ | 4-25-2014 | RT

Posted on 04/24/2014 6:41:18 PM PDT by tcrlaf

If Kiev does not immediately stop military operations against popular protest, Russia will call for an urgent UNSC meeting and in the worst case scenario reserves the right to deploy armed forces to stop bloodshed, UN envoy Vitaly Churkin said.

If the violence in the southeast of Ukraine doesn't stop, Russia will call a special session of the UN Security Council, Churkin said in an interview to Rossiya 1 channel.

“If we will continue to see what we witnessed today, if the use of force against the protest movement in the east and south-east of Ukraine will continue, we will convene an emergency meeting of the Security Council,” he said, adding though that historically the UNSC was unable to reach a consensus on a number of issues.

Churkin reminded that Russia does not feel isolated at the UN on the Ukrainian crisis. “Even in the Ukrainian situation during a vote on the resolution in the General Assembly, nearly half of UN members refused to support this resolution.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilwar; coup; russia; ukraine
The rhetoric from Russia is getting harder. They made it very clear after the Geneva agreement was signed that they expected Ukraine to disarm Right-Sector. The problem is that the Ukraine Government IS Right Sector at the moment.

Unlike the rhetoric from DC, they might actually follow through on it.

1 posted on 04/24/2014 6:41:18 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf
If Kiev does not immediately stop military operations against popular protest, Russia will call for an urgent UNSC meeting and in the worst case scenario reserves the right to deploy armed forces to stop bloodshed...

Well, I guess, John (I served in Vietnam) Kerry has his answer.

2 posted on 04/24/2014 6:52:08 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: tcrlaf

Does anyone believe Putin? The man is as big a liar as Obama.


3 posted on 04/24/2014 6:54:21 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: tcrlaf
The problem is that the Ukraine Government IS Right Sector at the moment.

A lie. Right Sector does not have a single member in parliament. Though you are correct in making it clear that when Russia signed the agreement, they did so while planning to ignore the agreement by describing the Ukrainian government in its totality to be illegitimate, as well as its military. Hence, Ukraine itself must disarm and surrender to their Spetsnaz troops on the ground, who are yet attacking Ukrainian military bases, kidnapping and beating people, and killing others and dumping their bodies in the river.

4 posted on 04/24/2014 6:58:41 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: tcrlaf

5 posted on 04/24/2014 7:01:00 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

yeah, yeah yeah...
And Right Sector isn’t the majority of the Guard, right?


6 posted on 04/24/2014 7:02:06 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

You know, if it wasn’t maybe 3 or 4 posters stating the exact same thing over and over again with only Putin backed media as sources, you might get somewhere.

Look, at this point, posting the same stuff over and over again when it has no credible basis only hurts your credibility.


7 posted on 04/24/2014 7:08:46 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: tcrlaf
And Right Sector isn’t the majority of the Guard, right?

Can you please provide any evidence of Right Sector being employed by the government in any capacity with a link that isn't from a Kremlin controlled news website? And can you please name the Right Sector members in the Ukrainian rada?

8 posted on 04/24/2014 7:10:17 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Bogey78O

I’ll say it again.

If you have a western source that meets with your approval, with near-real time reporting on the situation, I’ll be glad to review it, and post it.

Like it or not, RT is doing what the west isn’t. They are reporting what Russian officials are saying in near-real time, while the New York Times MAY mention it in 2 or 3 days.

Look, we all know RT is a propaganda outlet, but that doesn’t change the importance of knowing what the Russians are saying and thinking, does it?

This is BIG NEWS to them, while in the US, it is somewhere behind The Royal Clinton baby, and making fun of Bundy, because it may reveal the incompetence of THE WON.

And don’t you think Russian Officials stating something like this is important?


9 posted on 04/24/2014 7:21:16 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Like it or not, RT is doing what the west isn’t. They are reporting what Russian officials are saying in near-real time,

Well duh, it's a Kremlin controlled propaganda outlet. Of course they can get quick access to the head Soviet if they want to. That doesn't make it a news source.

Look, we all know RT is a propaganda outlet,

Then why are you posting it and repeating its lies as if they are fact?

but that doesn’t change the importance of knowing what the Russians are saying and thinking, does it?

If we're talking about analyzing Russian disinformation and divining their real intentions, sure, but that's not how you use these links, is it?

And don’t you think Russian Officials stating something like this is important?

Not when you start spamming the forum with their claims, taken uncritically.

10 posted on 04/24/2014 7:29:31 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

http://www.stratfor.com/sample/situation-report/ukraine-right-sector-form-special-battalion-east
http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/03/15/3704833/leader-of-ukraines-right-sector.html
https://twitter.com/search?q=right%20sector&src=typd

Despite all of the stories posted on FR, you are still choosing to disbelieve?
Also, my condolences on your inability to search the internet, or Twitter.
Ask your boiler room manager how to do that.


11 posted on 04/24/2014 7:31:06 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

‘They are reporting what Russian officials are saying in near-real time, while the New York Times MAY mention it in 2 or 3 days.’

A faster lie isn’t better than a slow truth.

‘Look, we all know RT is a propaganda outlet, but that doesn’t change the importance of knowing what the Russians are saying and thinking, does it?’

That’s a different issue. What they say is important. What they say however isn’t truthful.


12 posted on 04/24/2014 7:33:46 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: tcrlaf
Despite all of the stories posted on FR, you are still choosing to disbelieve? Also, my condolences on your inability to search the internet, or Twitter. Ask your boiler room manager how to do that.

My condolences that you apparently didn't bother to check your links to see if they could prove any of your claims. One of the links notes that Right Sector has about 2,000 members. Even Svoboda only gets 13 percent of the vote, in one link. Though they're actually polling in the single digits recently, I believe.

13 posted on 04/24/2014 7:39:52 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Bogey78O

“What they say however isn’t truthful.”

Really? You mean like the US Government has been? Come on....
Like it or not, RT has been Johnny-on-the-spot during most events, with video, photos, and live tweeting/reporting, like today’s fighting.

So has The Interpreter’s live blog, but they don’t break down individual stories. So RT is what we have if you want to post while it’s happening.

Sorry you don’t like it, but there it is. It’s the digital age. You can wait for info to be filtered for your consumption, but I prefer to get it as it is happening.

I prefer to be informed, not led. That means multiple sources. If you don’t like RT as a source, you don’t have to read it, after all.


14 posted on 04/24/2014 7:42:20 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Like it or not, RT has been Johnny-on-the-spot during most events, with video, photos, and live tweeting/reporting, like today’s fighting.

Well, of course. The other journalists from actual news sources are kidnapped and beaten. Only Russian propaganda sources have free access, and you get to see it all through the medium of their cameras.

15 posted on 04/24/2014 7:51:14 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Do you have ANYTHING at all to say about Russia may be calling another Security Council meeting?

Or are you just here to flame troll?


16 posted on 04/24/2014 7:52:41 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Do you have ANYTHING at all to say about Russia may be calling another Security Council meeting? Or are you just here to flame troll?

Tell you what, if you don't want your threads to derail, don't derail them by repeating stupid Kremlin lies in your posts.

17 posted on 04/24/2014 7:53:27 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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‘Really? You mean like the US Government has been? Come on....’

If two different men slap me it doesn’t mean the second was a hug! By saying Obama lies you’re not turning Putin into Pope John Paul II.

Russia has been lying while they’ve sent forces across the border to foment revolt. Russia needs to pull back their agents and start being truthful if they want credibility.

‘Like it or not, RT has been Johnny-on-the-spot during most events, with video, photos, and live tweeting/reporting, like today’s fighting.’

Garbage in... garbage out. Again, if someone is lying to you, it doesn’t matter how fast they get it to you or how truthful a small portion of it.

‘I prefer to be informed, not led. That means multiple sources.’

Russia Today doesn’t count as multiple sources. It’s one source.


18 posted on 04/24/2014 7:53:57 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Bogey78O

The Ukrainian coup government is illegitimate and I don’t want to see US troops involved in a cheap little conflict that may bring about WW 3. No US troops should die to legitimize the pukes in power in Kiev. As for Putin, he will do what he feels is in Russia’s best interest and why should we be surprised if he does?


19 posted on 04/24/2014 8:42:20 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: tcrlaf
You are a PAID Putin troll who posts the Murderous KGB Putin's lies and propaganda on the site.

Russia Today Is Putin Lies Today and pure crap.

You should have your account yanked here.

Posting Propaganda for a Vile KGB Dictator who actually spied on Reagan
during his trip to Moscow in the 80’s.

A monster who oversaw the torture and imprisoned of Germans in Dresden for the KGB. l

20 posted on 04/24/2014 8:51:03 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: tcrlaf
Unlike the rhetoric from DC, they might actually follow through on it.

A look to history may give insight to the future. Here is an interesting series of articles starting in 1992:

30 Killed in Ambush of Refugee Bus in Caucasus

Separatists in Georgia Look to Russia for Protection

Separatist Region in Georgia Votes on Independence

Accounts Undercut Claims By Georgia on Russia War

And, finally, from a German source: Russia Accuses Georgia of Aggression as EU Sends Mediators

Seems we have been here before.

21 posted on 04/24/2014 8:52:12 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Ciexyz

Love that Thug Putin talking point.

Accuse your enemies as being illegitimate which makes it easy to justify invasion !

Gee Hitler used the same smear to justify invading into his neighbors too.

Try another Putin lie.

Do you Putin groupies ever stop lying.


22 posted on 04/24/2014 8:54:55 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: Bogey78O

Honest question: Are there any honest brokers of information in the dispute over Ukraine? It appears to me that all of the reporting has either touted or reflected the views, misinformation and disinformation of one side or the other. In this high stakes play between an expanding EU/NATO and a shrunken Russia, what “free press” outlet doesn’t have an agenda?


23 posted on 04/24/2014 9:05:47 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine

I’ve been looking and haven’t found one which is sort of surprising given the number of countries that are, in theory, concerned about the situation.


24 posted on 04/24/2014 9:17:30 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: ncalburt

“You are a PAID Putin troll”
LOL!! REALLY?
Have you got my check?? I could use it to buy some gas for the plane. Supposed to be perfect flying weather this weekend.

I’m just a schmuck in an Indiana cornfield, trying to make sense of an important International event, that you obviously have a horse in. If you don’t care for the source, then please, don’t post.

Do you have any comments about the article? Or are you just flaming?


25 posted on 04/24/2014 9:40:50 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: ncalburt

“A monster who oversaw the torture and imprisoned of Germans in Dresden for the KGB”

By the Germans own account, he was a minor functionary that most people never heard of in Germany. He was never mentioned in the EG Regime trials after the fall.

Sorry to burst your bubble on that, but some FACTS might help you understand what’s going on, and WHO it is we are up against. Hysteria doesn’t help anybody.


26 posted on 04/24/2014 9:44:51 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Always A Marine

“Honest question: Are there any honest brokers of information in the dispute over Ukraine?”

None that I have found.
Everyone has an angle to push, it seems. A quick look at Twitter will show that, as events get reported 4 or 5 different ways, even by reporters on the scene. NYTimes reporters tweet updates, that never actually make it on to the New York Times website, for instance.

The US Media is reporting only select events, sometimes DAYS after they happen. Nothing new on MH370, Bieber being detained at LAX, and The Royal Clinton Baby seem to be much more important news to them.

It’s the 21st Century, world-wide communications are almost instantaneous now. Which makes diving the truth that much harder.


27 posted on 04/24/2014 9:51:14 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: ncalburt
From what I read and saw on world War 2 Documentaries, When it came to killing, torturing, and imprisoning, the Germans pretty much held their own. Judging by what I saw and read, the Germans don't have any room to complain.

I have yet to see someone crying about the Germans bombing, Warsaw, Rotterdam, London, Stalingrad, Leningrad, or Coventry. to say nothing of trying to exterminate the Jewish race, the poles, and Slavs. Germany got off light.

28 posted on 04/24/2014 9:56:02 PM PDT by sport
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To: Navy Patriot

http://www.combatreform.org/georgianwar.htm

BTW, here is some detailed analysis on Georgian situation.


29 posted on 04/25/2014 4:39:55 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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