Posted on 04/26/2014 2:32:07 AM PDT by Rummyfan
The problem isn’t the grazing fee, but the continuous reduction in the number allowed. They also are retiring huge sections of land from any grazing based on human=evil. This is contrary to public law, which still mandates multiple use.
Oh....and I am absolutely certain that my senators, John McCain and Jeff McFlake, would gladly raise grazing fees.
This thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3148817/posts
is about the ongoing fight for enough water to keep Tombstone from burning. In several years, has any national level politician from Arizona lifted a finger to help? Nope.
John McCain could put an end to this in a week if he was willing - but the national politicians ONLY care about CITY folk!
Are you saying that it would be more expensive for Bundy if he actually owned that land? Does the BLM pay money to grow the grass or something?
What are they doing that Bundy would have to pay more for if he was doing it himself than the grazing fees they were charging?
NAACP is Colored People.
The UNCF is Negro.
“Neither did no such thing...
Mr. Bundy was asking a question...”is the black better off as a slave, with a family, food, housing, etc. or are they better off being a slave to the government?” It was framed as a question making a comparison between the 2.”
Right. I’m aware, as are most people. That IS the problem, right there. Expressing the thought in the form of a question doesn’t remove the racist connotations, or on a more basic level, logic.
“Pick cotton” is a euphimism for WORK...”
Points can be made without having to resort to preposterous analogies that undermine your point.
“Mr. Bundy fails in the articulation and the stay on topic departments and that’s all...”
He’s free to express his ideas in his own rambling way, but he isn’t immune to criticism or pushback because of it, especially when actively looking for national attention and support.
“Anyone of us who is not an experienced public speaker, familiar with the ways of the leftist propaganda arm could have fallen into the same trap laid for him...”
There was no trap. He wanted media attention and rambled on about why he thinks he was only getting support from white people to a group of people with cameras.
“And the “isolate, marginalize and polarize” tactic is being worked against Mr. Bundy right here on FR...who would of thought?”
I would hope his comments would be rejected by all reasonable humans.
That's by no means a sure thing.
Then I’m not “reasonable” because I’m keeping my on the gimbal...and siding with Mr. Bundy in his bigger fight against the government and scum like Reid...
It’s funny how quickly many on FR “forgot” what happened to Joe the plumber after he made the 0 look like the bumbling idiot that he is...
What did folks think was going to happen? Then that RAT Reid says that Mr. Bundy was essentially going to “get his”...and a day or two later the NYT’s releases this edited piece of propaganda.
This should not have come as a surprise to anyone. Yet many here are pushing each other out of the way in their race to get on the NYT’s parade float...
“Then I’m not “reasonable” because I’m keeping my on the gimbal...and siding with Mr. Bundy in his bigger fight against the government and scum like Reid...”
It’s possible to support his cause while still rejecting his comments, though it is difficult.
“It’s funny how quickly many on FR “forgot” what happened to Joe the plumber after he made the 0 look like the bumbling idiot that he is...”
He became a media celebrity, campaigned with McCain and other politicians, wrote a book and even ran for congress.
“What did folks think was going to happen? Then that RAT Reid says that Mr. Bundy was essentially going to “get his”...and a day or two later the NYT’s releases this edited piece of propaganda.”
Reid has a time machine? Reid made his comment two days before Bundy started rambling on about what’s wrong with ‘the negro’.
Maybe we can encourage Mitt to run again.
I just KNOW that HE would not let a fellow MORMON be run roughshod by the BLM thugs!!
Where is Porter Rockwell when you need him?
Agree, Steyn can analyze a concept and summarize it with words in a way which is beyond brilliant.
[Quote:] I’m not sure terms like “left” or “right” are very useful here: Communism is assumed to be “left-wing” and Nazism “right-wing”, and my former colleague Jonah Goldberg has written an entire book on that, named for a coinage of H G Wells’: “liberal fascism”. But on the matter of “tolerant” “centrist” fascism: In the Twentieth Century, a nation of great beauty and culture embraced Fascism, and a backward peasant society embraced Communism, and the most evolved civilization in Europe embraced Nazism. And observers still wonder why the great anglophone democracies were almost alone in not going down this path. I think the reason’s simpler than it seems: No one - Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, Franco - had devised a form of totalitarianism appealing enough to seduce them. Now they have. As the Bundy example illustrates, a free people will cheerfully abandon bedrock principles like equality before the law if state power is being used to torment a racist or a homophobe or someone whose very presence offends against the citizenry’s sense of its own virtue. Whether or not this is a middle-of-the-road fascism, it’s certainly a very flattering strain: what, after all, is wrong with benign despotism in the cause of preventing “climate change” or transphobia - or ensuring that Nevada’s desert tortoise has an area the size of the United Kingdom to gambol and frolic in? [End quote]
Let's stipulate that Cliven Bundy is a racist.
Frankly, I'm not prepared to stipulate any such thing. The NYT, which apparently was the first to report Bundy's words, didn't report all of Bundy's words. What he said before and after the part quoted gives his words in much different meaning than what the racist NYT would have you believe. Go find the full quote, it's out there.
I'm glad Steyn is on "our side," but he isn't infallible.
I love Mark Steyn. (I am still mad at him for TRASHING Birthers)
He hits it!
I AM NOT SAYING Bundy IS A RACIST. I don’t know, and frankly I don’t care.
As long as you don’t break the law, you are still free in this country to be a racist. Being a racist is an OPINION! It is the OPINION that one race is superior to another. That’s it!!!
I prefer to judge people on an individual basis, but you certainly can draw conclusions about groups in general. For instance, I don’t think it’s racist to say “Blacks”, in general, are better basketball players than whites. 78% of NBA players are Black. 68% in the NFL. 10% in Major League Baseball.
Does that make Major League Baseball racist? Many say it does. Yet Blacks being only 13.1 per cent of the population, is much more in line with baseball than Basketball or football.
Whites don’t cry that Blacks are racist against whites, just look at the disparity in the NBA & NFL.
We realize that the best players play. Race is not a political factor. It may be a genetic factor.
In the Bundy situation, to parity an old song, What’s race got to do with it? The answer is absolutely NOTHING!
Yet the supposed Conservatives like Beck and Hannity (COWARDS), jumped right on the race baiters bus and then refused to get off.
“I am the ONLY person on earth, who knows what I REALLY believe”.
Like lyric in the Adele song “Rumor Has It”,
“Just ‘cause I said it, don’t mean that I meant it”
How about the NHL? Probably around 1% of the hockey players are Black. Surprised Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, the NAACP, etc., aren't threatening boycotts of NHL games.
Steyn is miles ahead of Rush.
Sometimes folks do it to themselves. Singleness of purpose keeps everyone focussed on the issue. Deviation from that allows others to minimize you. It is exactly why Mr. Bundy should not have held talking session of any kind.....except to talk about the armed BLM folks destroying his cattle. Other than that he should have always said no this is what we are going to talk about.
There is a reason the left is able to paint with a broad brush full of lies.....we open the door every time
Just a inside man at the NYT.
Or did you not know that the Times sat on this story for several days.
They homesteaded the land they own for free way back then. The grazing lease has been handed down thru the generations. He only pays around $13.50 per month per unit.
It must have been a an acceptable or good deal to all the generations, otherwise they would have left a long time ago.
Reid made his comment Thursday, two days before Bundy started rambling on about what’s wrong with ‘the negro’ on Saturday. No insider, barring one with a time machine, would be able to provide a head’s up to anyone.
From 1976 to 2000 grazing units fell from 10.1 million to 9.8 million
What increased? Conservation Areas and Natl Monuments, Coal, historical and archeological sites, areas of critical concern, recreation areas, endangered and threatened species, wilderness and wilderness study areas.
This is from 1976 to 2000 so these trends likely continued after 2000.
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