Feds move to tighten efficiency rules for household lamps

The Hill ^ | April 28, 2014 | Tim Devaney

[broken_arrow1]

No Lamps and No Fires!

[Osage Orange]

Pretty much........

No one has a pair...against the government industrial complex.

[rlmorel]

I agree. I recently began doing some more than casual work in my garage, building some things, and the difference between a 60 watt incandescent bulb and a CFL of any strength is remarkable.

And the wavelength of the incandescent is much more comfortable for me. I have always thought it was because of the way we have always seen things by the light of the sun, which is closer to the type of light which is cast by an incandescent process, than that cast by a CFL.

[Fitzy_888]

In my opinion a CFL (HP sodium, fluorescent) is fine for the mud room, laundry room, parking garage, street lights, etc. Let the market work (leftist blasphemy) and you’ll notice this is exactly where they are employed. => It’s working now!

[Georgia Girl 2]

Eventually we will all be back to candlelight.

[SisterK]

Further, if a person has lupus, the CFL will bring them to their knees. (learned this the hard way)

[rlmorel]

True.

If only the statists could control their urges to control the lives of others. But it just isn’t so.

[Elsie]

IMO we are on the Soviet path of slow decay.

Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD

 

I'm sure that the 55,000,000 killed by choosey American Mothers would GLADLY pay about $2 each to pay for the new lights!

[Elsie]

The wiring in the lamp melted faster than the circuit breaker could activate.

HUH?

[Elsie]

If it was economically advantageous to buy the newfangled bulbs, people would do so without coercion.

The first LED lamps were INSANELY expensive!!

Now the price is dropping quite fast, and I have picked a few to use in places that are difficult gain access to replace the bulb.

[Elsie]

I want to keep my heat balls and reflector heat throwers.

My chickens want me to do the same!

[Elsie]

A MAJOR fuel has been left off of the chart!

It is known as FOOD!

[Elsie]

Don’t ALL new cars have this little tattletale in each tire?

They HAVE saved the cost of a new tire for me, as the wife can’t tell from feel if the tire is low.

[Elsie]

4.65% x 0.12 = 0.558% of all electricity is spent on residential lighting.

And school shooting deaths are a drop in the bucket compared to CHOICE.

[cva66snipe]

The most efficient thing I know to do is close the parasitic Department of Energy Nazism down. It would save this nation hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars over the next decade or two. The worst thing is it was a Republican Moron {Congressman???} who started all the light bulb laws.

[BitWielder1]

The first LED lamps were INSANELY expensive!!

Yes. That is always the case with new technology.
Once they refine the process and ramp up more production lines, the price goes down.
The first flat screen TV's ran in the 10 thousands.
Now you can get 50 inch units at Walmart for 500 or so.
Imagine if we all had been forced by government decree to buy new TV's back when they were super expensive and hard to get. And not very good.
When people buy voluntarily, the manufacturers have to bring the price down to get business.
When people are forced to buy, they can keep charging outrageous prices.

The correct free market solution was not to outlaw incandescent bulbs, it was to leave the market wide open until the new lamps became more economical to the consumer.
People of means will pay $20 for a bulb in return for not having to change it for 20 years.
As the price comes down, more and more people will take that step.

[IamConservative]

It would be so refreshing if the free market could decide. If there is a lightbulb that will save me money, won’t poison me if I break it and I can dispose of in my trash, I’ll by the damn thing.

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

Those are good graphics. Regarding the assumptions about the “savings” from CFL bulbs: 1)Incandescent bulbs are about 25% (not 10%) as “efficient” (with respect to emitting visible light) as CFLs; and, 2) “Savings” only accrue during non-heating season — when space heating is required, incandescent bulbs are 100% efficient.

IOW, the benefits are even smaller than the diagrams show.

[rlmorel]

Thanks...that info makes the point even better. (I can’t remember where I got that 10% number from, but it could have been some government report where they were trying to make CFLs sound even better...)

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

My “4 times” figure was also over-simplifying things. Incandescent bulbs emit less visible light per Watt, as the wattage goes down. For instance, a single 100 W bulb emits about twice the light of a 60 W bulb. The (light emitting) efficiency of LEDs and CLF bulbs don’t vary that much by capacity. 100 W bulbs use about 4 times the Watts/lumen as CFLs or LEDs; but 40 W bulbs use about 5 or 6 times as much. Flashlight LEDs use about 1/10 as much juice as an incandescent flashlight bulb. Christmas tree LEDs can be even more “efficient” than flashlight LEDs; because their light doesn’t have to be filtered, to produce the different colours.

That said; I think you’re right — the report you read spun things to cast the most favourable light (ahem) on CFLs or LEDs. They weren’t entirely wrong — just misleading. The 10% figure applies to flashlights and Christmas lighting. For standard room lighting, 25% is a more accurate estimate.