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Pentagon to destroy $1 billion worth of ammo. This makes sense because…?
allenbwest.com ^ | April 28, 2014 | AllenBWest

Posted on 04/28/2014 1:40:58 PM PDT by PoloSec

Why is the Pentagon to destroy ammunition for our men and women in uniform while the Department of Homeland Security is buying up millions of rounds of ammunition? As we asked last week, why are we decimating our military while many government agencies are arming up?

You really have to wonder why, according to USA Today, “The Pentagon plans to destroy more than $1 billion worth of ammunition although some of those bullets and missiles could still be used by troops, according to the Pentagon and congressional sources. It’s impossible to know what portion of the arsenal slated for destruction — valued at $1.2 billion by the Pentagon — remains viable because the Defense Department’s inventory systems can’t share data effectively, according to a Government Accountability Office report obtained by USA TODAY. The result: potential waste of unknown value.”

Everyone complains about fraud, waste and abuse of American taxpayer dollars, and I will admit there is a degree of that in the Department of Defense (DoD), the Pentagon. I firmly supported — still do –an audit of the DoD when I sat on the House Armed Services Committee. But still, it makes you wonder.

Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del., and chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee said, “Despite years of effort, the Army, Navy and Air Force still don’t have an efficient process for doing something as basic as sharing excess bullets. This Government Accountability Office (GAO) report clearly shows that our military’s antiquated systems lead to millions of dollars in wasteful ammunition purchases.” The Army and Pentagon, in a statement, acknowledged “the need to automate the process” and will make it a priority in future budgets. In all, the Pentagon manages a stockpile of conventional ammunition worth $70 billion.

Now, this last part is quite perplexing to me, having spent 22 years in the US Army as a combat artillery officer and being quite involved in ammunition management as a Brigade/Regimental operations officer, a Battalion Executive officer, and a Battalion Commander. We constantly received spreadsheets that were reconciled monthly for ammunition allocation and use. In the Army we have Division and Corps level Ammunition Officers whose sole mission is ammunition management, which is forecasted out and allocated yearly.

Excess ammunition? We were begging for excess ammunition for training purposes. And I recall on several occasions when I was an Army exchange officer with the II Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Lejeune working out some issues on ammunition transfer and training between XVIIIth Airborne Corps, Ft. Bragg. So what is this baloney?

Folks, this is why we need more men and women serving on Capitol Hill who have served in uniform and can raise the Bovine Excrement flag. It would also behoove these Members of the House and Senate who are on Armed Services committees to have staffers who are veterans and can provide proper insight and perspective.

However, more importantly, we need former servicemen and women in civilian leadership with oversight of the military who understand the tactical level processes and procedures so that at the higher strategic level, this type of foolishness does not occur. Instead, we have political nepotism and cronyism, as too many are positioned due to their campaign contributions or agenda allegiance, not because of their military experience or expertise.

USA Today says the GAO report illustrates the obsolete nature of the Pentagon’s inventory systems for ammunition. A request for ammunition from the Marine Corps, for example, is e-mailed to the Army. The e-mail is printed out and manually retyped into the Army system because the services cannot share data directly. Not only is this time consuming, but it can introduce errors — by an incorrect keystroke, for example.

Waste, buying new ammunition while usable stockpiles exist, can occur “because the Army does not report information on all available and usable items,” the report states. The annual conference among the services — although it saves about $70 million per year, according to the Pentagon — is inadequate. The services, in fiscal year 2012, exchanged 44 million items, including 32 million bullets for machine guns and pistols. Specifically, the Army’s report does not include information from prior years about usable ammunition that was unclaimed by another service and stored for potential foreign military sales or slated for potential disposal,” the report says.

All of which begs the simple question: who is in charge? Who is tracking ammunition production, allocation, usage, and redistribution? This is why a serious audit system is necessary. If a monthly reconciliation is done at the unit/installation level, there should at least be a quarterly reconciliation at higher levels. If that is being done, then we should have fail-safe systems as well as procedures and methods upgraded to ensure effective and efficient management.

This is unacceptable and I bet you could sell the excess usable 9 mm ammunition at a reduced price to civilian outlets — and make money for the DoD. But then that would mean you’re arming civilians…


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abuse; ammo; banglist; debt; fraud; govtstupidity; ltcwest; waste
Waste Fraud Abuse!
1 posted on 04/28/2014 1:40:58 PM PDT by PoloSec
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To: PoloSec

Today we will send troops to shore up defense of Europe. It will be 150 men. We regret they will not have ammunition.

In case of an emergency, we will send some by ox-cart.


2 posted on 04/28/2014 1:44:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: PoloSec

The only time that it make sense to destroy ammunition is when the enemy is about to overrun your position.


3 posted on 04/28/2014 1:47:10 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: PoloSec

Gone are the days when I could go to any gun store and buy Mil-surplus M2 Ball Lake City ammo for my Garand(s).


4 posted on 04/28/2014 1:47:11 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: PoloSec

And they are not selling it because?


5 posted on 04/28/2014 1:48:09 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: DoughtyOne

Via eco-friendly carbon neutral sailing ships. Give them a few weeks to get there.


6 posted on 04/28/2014 1:49:46 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: PoloSec

Why can’t we just get an ammo dividend?


7 posted on 04/28/2014 1:51:59 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: wally_bert

I thought they were required by law to send it to the CMP. AT least the small arms stuff.


8 posted on 04/28/2014 1:53:17 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: hoosiermama

“And they are not selling it because?”

Because one can not have ammunition falling into the hands of American citizens, among whom reside veterans,
law-abiding citizens, Christian males, bible-thumpers,
gun-lovers and all manner of non-scientific American types, especially those in flyover country.

/SARCASM/

IMHO


9 posted on 04/28/2014 1:54:42 PM PDT by ripley
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To: wally_bert

That’s better... whew!

good one


10 posted on 04/28/2014 1:55:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: taxcontrol

Bullets can be pulled and reused and brass cases can be inspected and reused 10-20 times. There are millions of civilians that would be happy to purchase the mil surp ammo as reloading stock for a fair price. But that would be providing aid and comfort to the enemy as far as Obama and Co. is concerned so they opt to scrap it.


11 posted on 04/28/2014 1:55:04 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: PoloSec

The OLD army was for use against America’s enemies.
They are blasé and no longer needed.

The NEW army (DHS, IRS, BLM, TSA, etc.)is for use against Americans.
They are cool and will beat down opposition to the New Order.


12 posted on 04/28/2014 1:56:44 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: RC one

Any .30 cal, 7.62mm, 9mm, .45 cal, .50BMG ammunition should either be sold as-is unless the powder is reasonably suspect. Ammo in that condition should be pulled and the components sold.

Flat-out destruction is a wasteful, and a gross mishandling of the taxpayers’ money. It should be criminal.


13 posted on 04/28/2014 1:58:48 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: RC one

Any .30 cal, 7.62mm, 5.56mm, 9mm, .45 cal, .50BMG ammunition should either be sold as-is unless the powder is reasonably suspect. Ammo in that condition should be pulled and the components sold.

Flat-out destruction is a wasteful, and a gross mishandling of the taxpayers’ money. It should be criminal.


14 posted on 04/28/2014 1:59:11 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: hoosiermama

Because people outside the government would then have it.


15 posted on 04/28/2014 2:00:33 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: PoloSec

I didn’t see what type of ammo. I’d love to bid on case lots of 5.56, .45 (if they still buy that), 9mm, or 7.62 NATO. OTOH, if it’s 105mm, well, I do have a policy to procure a firearm for every caliber ammunition I have in the locker...


16 posted on 04/28/2014 2:00:53 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: PoloSec

Don’t panic.

The ammo will be sold to the high bidder with stipulation it be demiled. They will pull the bullets, then reload them and sell them at reduced price. I’ve bought such ammo in the past.

There should be more ammo at a lower price because of this.


17 posted on 04/28/2014 2:02:12 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: PoloSec

Well they bought too much so they have to destroy it.... makes no sense to let our boys get some target practice, DESTROY it...

who the f-ing f is in charge there?????


18 posted on 04/28/2014 2:02:13 PM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Ping!


19 posted on 04/28/2014 2:02:39 PM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: PoloSec
Aside from USA Today, the Palace Guards are not reporting the waist.
20 posted on 04/28/2014 2:03:16 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: taxcontrol

“The only time that it make sense to destroy ammunition is when the enemy is about to overrun your position.”

They never taught that little tidbit in the USMC. Never once heard that one. They were more of the school of thought that one should be going cyclic, towards the bad guys.
And that the slacker destroying our own ammo should be up there shooting too.


21 posted on 04/28/2014 2:04:00 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: PoloSec

ammunition stored properly should remain “viable” for decades’
He is an idea. Randomly pull a few rounds from each case and fire them off. If the operate as designed then the ammunition is good. Then instead of Homeland etc buying new ammo for their “target” practice they could use this ammo.
Oh sorry. That would make sense and there for not be something the Government would do......


22 posted on 04/28/2014 2:04:21 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American - Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: Mr. K

Who is in charge?
The Pentagon political officers whose boss is the Kenyan SOB who wants to destroy the USA.


23 posted on 04/28/2014 2:04:29 PM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is now the CPUSA)
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To: All

Does any one know anything about the source of this article? Who are they?


24 posted on 04/28/2014 2:05:08 PM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: taxcontrol

Maybe that’s what the PTB believes...


25 posted on 04/28/2014 2:06:54 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: basil

Do you mean Allen West ( http://allenbwest.com/2014/04/pentagon-destroy-1-billion-worth-ammo-makes-sense/ )? Or the source of the $1 billion figure?


26 posted on 04/28/2014 2:09:56 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: PoloSec

This only increases my suspicion that the government is behind the current civilian ammo shortage.


27 posted on 04/28/2014 2:12:30 PM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: hoosiermama

Probably a lot of it is 7.62 NATO armor piercing. Which has been deemed to be “handgun ammunition”.


28 posted on 04/28/2014 2:14:39 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: PoloSec

correct link:

http://allenbwest.com/2014/04/pentagon-destroy-1-billion-worth-ammo-makes-sense/


29 posted on 04/28/2014 2:22:04 PM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: PoloSec
Opie's "National Civilian Obama Corpse" already has all the ammunition they need to terrorize ranchers
and other conservatives, kill our cattle and family pets, and herd senior citizens into FEMA Death Camps.


30 posted on 04/28/2014 2:27:12 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Malaysia Flight MH370 Black Box signals reported in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: taxcontrol
If today be the day

That I breathe my las'

Then by God I pray

That I may pass

In a big pile of hot brass.

There shouldn't be "surplus ammo" in a firefight. And if there is, you ain't fighting hard enough. I've ran out, but I've never had too much.

31 posted on 04/28/2014 2:29:34 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why are cops ROE more lenient against us, here in the US, than U.S. military's ROE's in a war zone?)
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To: Iron Munro

What the Guns 0 ran to 3rd world Countries can’t use ammo for 50 cents on the dollar!


32 posted on 04/28/2014 2:30:13 PM PDT by DocJhn
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To: iowamark

correct link:

http://allenbwest.com/2014/04/pentagon-destroy-1-billion-worth-ammo-makes-sense/

Thanks for correcting that!


33 posted on 04/28/2014 2:31:31 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: PoloSec
Sell the: .308, 9mm, .45, 5.56, .50BMG, 30.06, for civilian use and larger projectile propellants for salvaging into civilian powders. I`ve heard Wolf uses salvaged propellants, that`s why it`s so dirty, and cheap to buy.
34 posted on 04/28/2014 2:31:56 PM PDT by nomad
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To: hoosiermama

To who? Us? We are the enemy.


35 posted on 04/28/2014 2:35:10 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: DesertRhino

Well, the thought was to blow the dump with the enemy on top of you taking them out in the process.


36 posted on 04/28/2014 2:37:56 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: ripley
Because one can not have ammunition falling into the hands of American citizens, among whom reside veterans, law-abiding citizens, Christian males, bible-thumpers, gun-lovers and all manner of non-scientific American types, especially those in flyover country.

Hardly sarcasm because it's almost literally true. But I understand the label.

37 posted on 04/28/2014 2:55:32 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: taxcontrol

“The only time that it make sense to destroy ammunition is when the enemy is about to overrun your position.”

The Japanese didn’t do that during the “Island Hopping” campaign in WWll. My Uncle told me stories of taking an island, and using the stuff the Japanese left behind to attack the next island. He said they’d fire the machine guns until the barrels warped, and then just grab another and continue. The Japanese would only drain the hydraulic fluid from artillery pieces, figuring that would disable them. They forgot about good old Yankee ingenuity! My Uncle and his fellow soldiers would hook up heavy ropes to the pieces, and fasten the other end to Jeeps. The Jeeps took care of the recoil!


38 posted on 04/28/2014 2:56:06 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: basil

I talked to a former coworker and he said there is no ammo for them to go to Camp Swift for marksmanship training. That stopped over two years ago, shortly after I retired.


39 posted on 04/28/2014 3:10:03 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: PoloSec

Is it because of expired lot numbers? If so, it’s nothing new. Whatever the units don’t burn up during gunnery, EOD ends up doing their training on what remains.

While I was in Bosnia, we went to the range in Glamoc, and usually we would get 2 48 round boxes of 40mm training rounds (flash bangs) for the Mk-19 plus 10 live HE rounds for gunnery.

When drawing our ammo we were issued 20 boxes of HEDP and were told that none of it was to be turned in.

The guys with the Ma Duce each drew a bunch of boxes, and I can’t remember exactly what the TOW’s got, but we all got a huge amount of ammo to blow through in 2 hours.

Even our Aero Scout element got to blow through ammo too.


40 posted on 04/28/2014 3:14:31 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Politicians and diapers need to be changed for the same reason)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

They are getting more difficult and costly to feed.


41 posted on 04/28/2014 3:14:39 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: PoloSec

Whatever is actually going on here, we aren’t being told the truth by this administration—of that you can be sure. I would guess that this is a trick to hide the transfer of all this ammo to either non-military federal agencies, or to Obama’s Al Quaida pals in Syria or elsewhere.


42 posted on 04/28/2014 3:40:19 PM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: MileHi

this is just their way to sneak it to an underground paramilitary group controlled directly by obama - remember his national army? Well, he has to get them bullets asap and perhaps this is a way to do it?


43 posted on 04/28/2014 3:44:43 PM PDT by Deathtomarxists (obama has a stinky stick)
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To: PoloSec
Waste Fraud Abuse!

Maybe not waste but definitely fraud and abuse. Who's to say the "waste" isn't really being sent to our enemies?

44 posted on 04/28/2014 3:50:30 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Theo

I lost my head there for a minute—of course I know who Alan West is……..just didn’t make the connection right away……my bad


45 posted on 04/28/2014 3:55:49 PM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: taxcontrol

not even then, keep unloading into them until it’s all expended:)


46 posted on 04/28/2014 3:58:59 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: PoloSec

This is not a mistake. There are many in the government’s many branches that believe that the only way to achieve gun control is to make ammo scarce. If the military destroys “excess” ammo, even at the expense of its operational stockpile, that only enhances the effect when they buy more later, making ammo for us that much more scarce.

These people know exactly what they’re doing.


47 posted on 04/28/2014 4:40:17 PM PDT by Egon (RIP, Harold Ramis. The world is less funny with your loss.)
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To: PoloSec; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty ping.


48 posted on 04/28/2014 5:53:14 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: NorthMountain

I agree 100%. The fact is though, there’s no way the POSTUS would allow military surplus ammo and/or components to be sold to US reloaders/firearms enthusiasts because, as I said, from his perspective, that would be providing aid to the enemy. And that’s not even a little bit of an overstatement AFAIC.


49 posted on 04/28/2014 7:07:51 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one
that would be providing aid to the enemy. And that’s not even a little bit of an overstatement AFAIC.

Concur.

50 posted on 04/28/2014 7:16:55 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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