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White House opens door to tolls on interstate highways, removing long-standing prohibition
Washington Post ^ | 4/29/14 | Ashley Halsey III

Posted on 04/30/2014 3:59:00 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

...the Obama administration Tuesday opened the door for states to collect tolls on interstate highways to raise revenue for roadway repairs.

The proposal, contained in a four-year, $302 billion White House transportation bill, would reverse a long-standing federal prohibition on most interstate tolling.

(Excerpt) Read more at m.washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: interstatehighways; jobs; money; obamanomics; taxes
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All the better to track your movements, my dear.

Oh yeah....those highways you bought? Now you gotta pay to use 'em. Dictator Obama has spoken.

1 posted on 04/30/2014 3:59:00 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Pay for use? This mean they will cut the gas taxes for highway improvements/maintenance?


2 posted on 04/30/2014 4:02:20 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Awesome, now they can get rid of the gas tax.


3 posted on 04/30/2014 4:02:33 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo
Awesome, now they can get rid of the gas tax.

Thumbs up x 100

4 posted on 04/30/2014 4:04:06 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: icwhatudo

You dreamer!


5 posted on 04/30/2014 4:04:45 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: icwhatudo

You’re kidding, right? Taxes never go away.


6 posted on 04/30/2014 4:04:57 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: SoFloFreeper

And lets just forget about all that infrastructure spending.


7 posted on 04/30/2014 4:06:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

They should tax his an Mooch’s trips on Air Force One & Two plus tax their hotel & entertainment spending.


8 posted on 04/30/2014 4:06:58 AM PDT by Dogfaced Soldier
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To: SoFloFreeper

And just to add a practical example, the Massachusetts Turnpike has been fully paid for, by tolls, for years now, but the toll booths have not gone away, and that money is not being used to provide maintenance.


9 posted on 04/30/2014 4:07:02 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: icwhatudo
That might not be as far-fetched as you think. Didn't Virginia just eliminate their fuel tax last year and make up for the lost revenue by applying the state sales tax to fuel?

One big flaw with the fuel tax is that revenues decline consistently over time as: (1) vehicles running on something other than gasoline or diesel fuel become more common, and (2) vehicles running on these fossil fuels become more fuel efficient.

A big advantage of tolls is that it puts the cost of the infrastructure on the users. This is always preferred to a tax scheme where a lot of the costs of the infrastructure are paid by everyone.

10 posted on 04/30/2014 4:08:10 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Dubh_Ghlase

Pay for use?

I thought Illinois sold their toll roads to South Africa. Will they own all of the toll roads in Illinois?


11 posted on 04/30/2014 4:11:00 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Why Does the Interstate System Include Toll Facilities>

Today, the 46,730-mile Interstate System includes approximately 2,900 miles of turnpikes.

12 posted on 04/30/2014 4:11:40 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Little Pig
... the Massachusetts Turnpike has been fully paid for, by tolls, for years now ...

You hear this sort of thing a lot. It's actually a myth. The cost of keeping a highway like the Massachusetts in a state of good repair are enormous.

Think of it like a new car. It's never really "fully paid for" even if you don't owe a penny to a bank or auto finance company, is it?

13 posted on 04/30/2014 4:12:36 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child
A big advantage of tolls is that it puts the cost of the infrastructure on the users. This is always preferred to a tax scheme where a lot of the costs of the infrastructure are paid by everyone.


We're all users and are all already paying. Fuel taxes are included in the costs of goods and services that move by road.
14 posted on 04/30/2014 4:12:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Alberta's Child
... the Massachusetts Turnpike, that is.
15 posted on 04/30/2014 4:13:24 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: SoFloFreeper

Oh yeah, the Change will be what the voters Hoped for.

But they’ll get that too.

Liberals. Great job; really great.

Brilliant!!!


16 posted on 04/30/2014 4:13:48 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This should really help them dems.
Obammy is the gift that keeps on giving.
wotrthless quota boy.


17 posted on 04/30/2014 4:13:58 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: SoFloFreeper
The price of gasoline was $1.87 when Bathhouse Barry first took office.

Just sayin'.

18 posted on 04/30/2014 4:14:06 AM PDT by Slyfox (When progressives ignore moral parameters, they also lose the natural gift of common sense.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

federal prohibition?

The hated, EXEMPT Congress is as useless as
teats on a bull.
They should just commit ritual suicide, already.


19 posted on 04/30/2014 4:15:38 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: cripplecreek

Who said that? You?


20 posted on 04/30/2014 4:17:00 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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No decision the govt makes is to its detriment.

GTH, WH.


21 posted on 04/30/2014 4:17:02 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: cripplecreek

Of course. But it’s no different than saying we’re all users of the electrical grid because every business passes on its energy costs to its customers. You wouldn’t expect to have everyone get “free” electricity that’s financed through a tax on every purchase of a product or service, would you?


22 posted on 04/30/2014 4:18:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: SoFloFreeper
for states to collect tolls on interstate highways to raise revenue for roadway repairs.

Isn't that what high gasoline taxes are for?

Just another source of revenue for the greedy Bas####s.

23 posted on 04/30/2014 4:22:44 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Cor 16: 32)
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To: Alberta's Child

How about putting the cost of education only on folks w/kids in school?


24 posted on 04/30/2014 4:33:06 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: SoFloFreeper

It’s government’s way of fleecing those most equipped to actually earn a tax-paying living.

The poor, the entitled, the leeches won’t have to worry about it on their government subsidized public transportation on the way down to the welfare office, to/from their Section 8 housing.

Just more taxes, strangulation of business and commerce and eventual price increases in the economy so the government can maintain its bloated carcass.


25 posted on 04/30/2014 4:34:28 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Yeah that was me.

The sad thing is that plenty of revenue is collected to take care of the interstate highway system unfortunately some 30% is skimmed right off the top before we even consider spending money on transportation. Then the states and feds blow money on unnecessary crap at an astounding rate.

In Detroit, the people mover is rider funded at a rate of about 3% with the other 97% picked up by taxpayers in the form of transportation funding and other taxpayer money. Lord knows how much money we spend for AMTRAK to run empty trains all over the country. Several cities use federal funds to put sensors in parking lots so people can use phone aps to find parking spaces.

My county recently approved $2 million from federal transportation funds to tear down a concrete wall that should have never been built in a county park. Fortunately the outrage forced them to go looking for money elsewhere. We did pay several hundred thousand to repave a bike path across town not to mention the ongoing cost of keeping it plowed during the winter.


26 posted on 04/30/2014 4:35:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Graybeard58

One more economy crusher.


27 posted on 04/30/2014 4:36:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Ah hope...

...and your CHANGE.

28 posted on 04/30/2014 4:38:17 AM PDT by Theophilus (.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The West Virginia Turnpike

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_Turnpike

Is still a toll road, commissioned in 1952
At the time, it was the most expensive turnpike ever built, per mile. My Father floated the bond issue that created it, and had the first bond printed in his office. It’s maintanance is still a major cost item. I understand well why it it is charging tolls.


29 posted on 04/30/2014 4:43:30 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Gaffer

On the bright side, we’ll all get to see more of America because we’ll be taking alternate scenic routes rather than paying the toll on the King’s road.


30 posted on 04/30/2014 4:46:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
"opened the door for states to collect tolls on interstate highways to raise revenue for roadway repairs."

The roads should need less maintenance with no one using them.
31 posted on 04/30/2014 4:47:08 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: fruser1
How about putting the cost of education only on folks w/kids in school?

An excellent idea that will never happen in these united socialist states of america

32 posted on 04/30/2014 4:47:29 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: cripplecreek

That’s true, but it will seriously clog up those local roads.


33 posted on 04/30/2014 4:52:03 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Gaffer

Exactly. Tax then subsidize. I’m amazed societal inertia has us still moving. We’re dead.


34 posted on 04/30/2014 4:52:05 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Alberta's Child
One big flaw with the fuel tax is that revenues decline consistently over time as: (1) vehicles running on something other than gasoline or diesel fuel become more common, and (2) vehicles running on these fossil fuels become more fuel efficient.

I'm curious as to why you consider this a flaw. I'd consider anything that reduces taxes to the citizen to be an advantage or a strength.

This is always preferred to a tax scheme where a lot of the costs of the infrastructure are paid by everyone.

How is a fuel tax paid by everyone? Only those who buy fuel (presumably to power their motor vehicles) pay the tax.

35 posted on 04/30/2014 4:53:18 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Alberta's Child

Toll roads, toll interstates, are at this point a repressive anti-freedom proposition. Why the heck d’ya think the WH is putting its dirty thumb in this pie? Control and surveillance of movements with loss of privacy & free movement. Bottlenecks real and contrived (”Beeline” “expressway” after a Cana eral shuttle launch comes to mind). Don’t fall it.


36 posted on 04/30/2014 4:54:08 AM PDT by cyn
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To: clearcarbon

Oddly enough I actually came around to agreeing with Jenny Granholm’s idea of allowing some roads to return to dirt.

30 years ago where I was grew up oil and gas infrastructure was going in and the heavy truck traffic was destroying the dirt roads so they paved them all. Today, the trucks are mostly gone and we still maintain paved roads where there are 1 or 2 houses per mile and might see 5 or 10 vehicles per day.


37 posted on 04/30/2014 4:55:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: HangnJudge

What does that have to do with Obama collecting tolls for federal interstates? Other than the fact that they refer to roads?


38 posted on 04/30/2014 4:56:01 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

When we first moved to brevard co fl, the road that connected Orlando(orange co) to the beach in brevard county was a toll road. Road was paid for in the 80’s and brevard tried to remove toll booths, but the toll collectors said they have to collect enough to tear down the booths first. Story I heard was a contractor volunteered to tear down the booths. Bottom line: brevard county got rid of tolls on roads....Orange County has only added more toll roads.. Of course they were growing by leaps and bounds.


39 posted on 04/30/2014 5:03:40 AM PDT by June2
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To: SoFloFreeper
What does that have to do with Obama collecting tolls for federal interstates?

The West Virginia Turnpike is now a Federal Interstate I-77. When it was upgraded, 90% funds were Federal. It, and the Pennsylvania Turnpike, cut through very difficult Appalachian mountain terrain to connect North-South and East-West Mid-states.

Both still operate off of Tolls

Now, adding tolls to current Interstates is another matter

40 posted on 04/30/2014 5:05:43 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: SoFloFreeper

The White Hut can’t remove the restriction, despite what Øbama says about his pen and his phone. All they did was propose to Congress to remove the prohibition. It is up to Boehner to stick that knife in the backs of the drivers.


41 posted on 04/30/2014 5:06:13 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: Alberta's Child

Perhaps, but it is amazing how many times a toll booth is remodeled / reconstructed / relocated and how short is the duration between evolutions. Cut the waste and skim out of the equation and the funds would be sufficient.


42 posted on 04/30/2014 5:08:34 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: cyn

It’s a racist plot designed to keep oppressed minorities restricted to the inner cities by requiring that they pay money that they don’t have in order to travel. Will they accept EBT’s?


43 posted on 04/30/2014 5:12:03 AM PDT by Ancient Man
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To: SoFloFreeper

For you people that would rather drive than deal with TSA, sorry, GAME OVER, as the states start charging you another 20 cents per mile, or more, to drive on THEIR ROADS.

Get used to flying again - it will soon be MUCH CHEAPER.


44 posted on 04/30/2014 5:15:06 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Dubh_Ghlase

Nope. Gas tax stays!


45 posted on 04/30/2014 5:20:30 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: SoFloFreeper

If you like your free Interstate Highway system, you can keep your free Interstate Highway system. Period.


46 posted on 04/30/2014 5:21:02 AM PDT by mykroar (We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again. - Nathanael Greene)
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To: Yo-Yo

Pa turnpike was built b4 interstate system was created.


47 posted on 04/30/2014 5:22:08 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Dubh_Ghlase
This mean they will cut the gas taxes for highway improvements/maintenance?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

48 posted on 04/30/2014 5:22:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Ancient Man

In a way, this seems like it would affect punish rural residents/voters more than urban dwellers. People who stay in their urban locales don’t cross state lines or drive the highways nearly as much as folks out in the country.

It almost seems targeted.


49 posted on 04/30/2014 5:24:19 AM PDT by MarkRegal05
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To: DownInFlames

Tolls on the PA Turnpike keep increasing and the road keeps getting worse. Hate that road.


50 posted on 04/30/2014 5:27:30 AM PDT by cork (Gun control = hitting what you aim at)
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