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Putin is Pursuing Lenin's Goal
ChristianConceptsDaily ^ | April 30th, 2014 | -

Posted on 04/30/2014 9:35:52 AM PDT by se99tp

In 2014 West seems to be in the same place {like in 1939]. Its experts do not understand the transformation of Russia after the Cold War. They are oblivious to the fact that the Russian regime did not change at all. Although the Politburo may have gone and the communist ideology is not required anymore, the institutions and nomenklatura remained intact. What is more important, the strategic goal of current Kremlin to defeat West, in war or without it, differs little from the goal of Soviet communist to rule over the world.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: putin; ukraine; warineurope
This is the same unlimited goal of Soviets which only few understood in West.
1 posted on 04/30/2014 9:35:52 AM PDT by se99tp
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To: se99tp

“Putin is Pursuing Lenin’s Goal”

Obama will put a stop this...hahahaha.


2 posted on 04/30/2014 9:44:09 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: se99tp

Not to worry, Putin has his agent of hope and change installed in the White House - offering more flexibility now that the election is over...


3 posted on 04/30/2014 9:45:19 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: se99tp

Putin is pseudo-Christian former KGB apparatchik.

But to claim the Soviet regime has not changed is purely silly.

It has gone from a horrific totalitarian regime to a typical authoritarian regime. You are free to travel, start your own small business, and access foreign culture as long as it is not political and anti-regime. Fairly typical for most non-democratic regimes.

Goal is not to control the world, silly given its population and resources; but to control Russia’s near abroad. The historical geo-political goal of the Russian Empire.


4 posted on 04/30/2014 9:45:30 AM PDT by Reaganez
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To: se99tp

And this is news? Holy cow, the EU is pursuing Hitler’s goals.


5 posted on 04/30/2014 9:47:12 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: se99tp

Putin didn’t start this. Those who overthrew the legally elected Ukrainian government did. Kind of ironic how things are settling out isn’t it.


6 posted on 04/30/2014 9:52:40 AM PDT by McGruff (Clinton had his Kosovo, Obama has his Ukraine.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks se99tp.


7 posted on 04/30/2014 9:53:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Reaganez

“You are free to travel, start your own small business, and access foreign culture as long as it is not political and anti-regime. Fairly typical for most non-democratic regimes.”

I understand this statament as a provocation.

Go ahead and start your own business in Russia. We will see what you will achieve…

Travelling? Get a passport first, then visa after you pay significant bribes…

Foreign culture? As well as it is not anti-regime? You must have not heard about the antixenophobic laws installed already during the FIRST term of George W Bush.

If you have KGB dominated regime than I do not think that real change took place.

You may or may not know that free elections in Russia even local ones were just abolished by Duma.


8 posted on 04/30/2014 9:57:28 AM PDT by se99tp (look)
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To: areukiddingme1

I thought Obama was pursuing Lenin’s goal...I guess it’s a race to see who gets there first. Either way America loses...


9 posted on 04/30/2014 9:59:12 AM PDT by Harald Westmoreland
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To: rjsimmon

“Holy cow, the EU is pursuing Hitler’s goals”

By letting in hordes of third-world people? I don’t think Hitler would have allowed this.


10 posted on 04/30/2014 9:59:12 AM PDT by Harald Westmoreland
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To: se99tp
the strategic goal of current Kremlin to defeat West

Then all the Kremlin has to do is sit back and relax because the Globo-Marxists in the White House, Brussels, and the City of London are destroying Western Civilization in North America and Europe with out any help from the puny Russians.

11 posted on 04/30/2014 10:03:00 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Harald Westmoreland
By letting in hordes of third-world people? I don’t think Hitler would have allowed this.

That is not one of the EUs goals:

The EU is an intergovenmental membership organizations that established a common market with a single currency and member states agree to abide by common laws, guaranteeing the freedom of movement of people, goods, services and capital.

The ReichMark and Gemeinsamer Senat der obersten Gerichtshöfe des Bundes are basically what Hitler envisioned with Germany as the source.

12 posted on 04/30/2014 10:09:02 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: se99tp
That is old school thinking about Russia...they certainly have changed under Putin's watch. It is not the USSR. Putin would have already gone into Ukraine militarily if he really wanted to control 'all' of Ukraine. That is not how warfare is being fought today among the top powers that be.

Time again we hear our military saying that old school thinking is not helpful in determining how to deal with the Russia of today, and creates issues when attempting to do just that..... Crimea revealed Putin's tactics and warfare have changed....but Putin's now revealed how he will play his hand when as he determines to hault EU's expansion.

Putin's a Nationalist far more than Communist leanings. His aspirations are to stop the encroachment of Nato on his borders...... NATO’s goal is clearly that of expansion to further build their coalition (EU Empire). The prize is access to a country that shares a 1,426-mile border with Russia.

The geopolitical map would be dramatically reshaped should Nato successfully control Ukraine entire...and would create the new front for US Western missile defense at the doorstep of Russia.

Though I do not agree with Putin and his actions, I do understand why Putin does what he does with Ukraine. Obama's pivot to Asia tour also comes into play at this time...in order to affect China and Russia's cozy relationship, both economically and politically.

Geopolitics are moving rapidly and a "war" in and of itself being fought on the world stage....Putin's as much in it as the Eu and US.....all seeking the next prize to one-up the other.

13 posted on 04/30/2014 10:10:23 AM PDT by caww
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To: rjsimmon

....”The EU is an inter-govenmental membership organizations that established a common market with a single currency and member states agree to abide by common laws, guaranteeing the freedom of movement of people, goods, services and capital”...

Well Britain and others are attempting to leave it because they loose their national interests....moreso disagreements are hot and heavy on who determines what those “common laws” should be for each individual nation.

The EU Parliment is a ‘non-elected’ group and there’s much anger over that as well. Additionally that fa to many Nato Memeber states are not complying the requirements, and in fact opt out entirely when it comes to backing member countries militarily.

It’s also correct that there’s concern over third world people coming into the “richer” countries, and with that crime increases as does a “change” with the overall general population culturally....so there is opposition to this as well.


14 posted on 04/30/2014 10:18:07 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

All right where is freedom in all of this? Where is support for freedom fighters?
It looks like arm-chair conceived deliberations which have nothing to do with reality…

Please either listen to what THINKING RUSSIANS are saying about Putin’s regime or get a ticket and fly to see it with your own eyes.

I am sorry to say that your philosophy on Russia is wrong.

Soviet Russia wartfare DID NOT change. Crime was “annexed” the same way like Poland after WWII. Check what LUBLIN government sponsored by Moscow was and read more historical sources. NOTHING changed.

Communists were ALWAYS in NATIONALIST costume. Look how did bolsheviks conquered Baltic states, Lithuania or Belorussia and Ukraine VIA NATIONALISTS movment. Kremlin allowed those people identify themselves with national anthem, language and culture inside SOVIET entity.

This pseudo-nationalist movement has nothing to do with patriotic Russian movements…


15 posted on 04/30/2014 10:22:12 AM PDT by se99tp (look)
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To: se99tp

And so is Obama.


16 posted on 04/30/2014 10:36:18 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: se99tp

Never claimed Russia is a democracy.

Identified as authoritarian.

In authoritarian regimes bribes are par for the course.

Russia also has 13% flat tax rate as opposed to the real 50% tax rates here for the successful. Slightly different than the 80’s.

To claim no real change has taken place is just plain stupid.

I have traveled to Russia and Cuba.

There is a massive difference.

“You must have not heard about the antixenophobic laws installed already during the FIRST term of George W Bush.”

WTF do you mean by this? Xenophobic is irrational fear of the foreign. Anti fear-of-foreign laws?


17 posted on 04/30/2014 10:56:02 AM PDT by Reaganez
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To: se99tp

One of my father’s Russian cousins got out in 1994. I asked him what it was like to live without the Communists in charge any more, and he replied: “Same wall, different wallpaper.”


18 posted on 04/30/2014 11:00:01 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: se99tp
We'll just have to disagree....I see Putin's moves in Eastern Ukraine simply a matter to safeguard its military manufacturing facilites as they have agreements with other nations for military equipment. No different than protecting it's Naval bases. Neither of which Putin would care to hand over to a EU/US controlled Government.

Ukraine is nothing to do with Freedom, though that is always the battle cry to gain actions from outside nation leaders....who often times facilitate these in order to change the face of the geopolitical landscape. Thus Arab Springs and the like. No different there in Ukraine.

As is always the case, when outside nations come into the fray, it rarely does more than create the chaos we now see in Ukraine....and thus those powers can then work 'above the fray' to establish the changes/control of the Gov. and install leadership desired to "transform" the Gov and nation as it might desire. Which is also currently happening in Ukraine.

Keeping in mind the first week after the coup the seated Prime Minister Yats wasted no time removing Ukraine's gold to US. Part and parcel of the "deal" to assist.

Crimea Voting and celebration considered ILLEGAL???

Keiv's Violent Coup Considered LEGAL????


19 posted on 04/30/2014 11:16:33 AM PDT by caww
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To: All

Useful Idiots Alert.


20 posted on 04/30/2014 11:30:34 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: se99tp
>>>>You must have not heard about the antixenophobic laws..<<<

So what is actually wrong with having anti-xenophobic laws?

Anti-negative is positive.

21 posted on 04/30/2014 11:44:06 AM PDT by DTA
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To: se99tp

The title is only a half truth.

Lenin was only pursuing the imperial Czars goals, masked or urged on by his ideological zealousness.

Russia is, was and always has been a nation to which “major nation” status is ONLY available to it by bullying and dominating its neighbors. Left to what nature has provided Russia and no more, it would be a backwater in Europe. That was never enough for Russia’s leaders and it still isn’t.


22 posted on 04/30/2014 1:19:16 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: se99tp

~Foreign culture? As well as it is not anti-regime? You must have not heard about the antixenophobic laws installed already during the FIRST term of George W Bush.~

What?

~Travelling? Get a passport first, then visa after you pay significant bribes...~

Where are you from? Last time I ve check in most countries including US you need a passport to travel abroad. As for visas they are being granted by foreign consulates, not the Russian government. If there is a bribery I don’t think it is a Russian problem to begin with.

~Go ahead and start your own business in Russia. We will see what you will achieve…~

LOL.


23 posted on 04/30/2014 5:55:39 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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“guaranteeing the freedom of movement of people”

Precisely...by letting in Roma gypsies from former Eastern Bloc countries. Something Hitler would have never allowed. I’ve been to Europe, I have seen with my own eyes the third world masses brought in by unrestricted immigration policies pushed by Brussels, so don’t tell me that it is not one of their goals.


24 posted on 05/01/2014 6:19:19 AM PDT by Harald Westmoreland
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by letting in Roma gypsies from former Eastern Bloc countries. Something Hitler would have never allowed.

Horse hockey. Hitler became very pragmatic through the duration of the war. His vaunted SS became quite diluted with, less than pure blood by allowing what were previously undesireables (Untermensch) into their fold.
The Waffen SS consisted to 50% out of foreign soldiers, many from them from Russia or the Baltic fighting against Soviet oppression. For the same reason the SS had so many Muslim conscripts that it opened a school for Muslim clerics in Dresden.


Bosnian Moslem SS volunteers praying to Mecca {13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian)}

I’ve been to Europe, I have seen with my own eyes the third world masses brought in by unrestricted immigration policies pushed by Brussels, so don’t tell me that it is not one of their goals.

I did no such thing. I too have been to Europe, many times and have seen what is happening. This is a matter of indidual states dictating immigration policy, not the Union.

My point in all of this is that the EU is creating the same type of environment that the 3rd Reich envisioned. It may be a mutation of the theme but the same basic principles are there.

25 posted on 05/01/2014 6:29:38 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon

OK...so where were the ROMA GYPSY SS conscripts???? I don’t want to descend into a flame war here, but you are dead wrong about EU sponsored immigration...and I have a feeling that you know it. This is about defending your blanket statement about Hitler and the EU which is well...just plain kooky.


26 posted on 05/02/2014 10:58:03 AM PDT by Harald Westmoreland
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