Posted on 05/02/2014 8:19:32 AM PDT by PaulCruz2016
Metro officers deal with large crowds all the time, but nothing like this. The crowd included former military men and ex-cops, people with various motives, their fingers poised just above the triggers of powerful weapons. With so much firepower in so many hands, a small incident could have set off a bloodbath and left nearly two dozen officers dead.
Assist. Sheriff Joe Lombardo:"We were outgunned, outmanned and there would not have been a good result from it."
I-Team reporter George Knapp: "A lot of scenarios could have played out that would have left a lot of dead officers."
Assist. Sheriff Joe Lombardo: "If you just have a backfire, somebody pops a firecracker, then it's over. We're done. We are going to lose that battle that day."
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>>So, are the ex-cops who sided with Bundy still the bad guys?<<
Myself, I judge people independently, the majority of the time. If one cop screws up, he’s a jerk. When the next ten cops I have interactions with screw up in succession then I would say most cops are jerks.
>>It seems that in essence, they have become ex-Jack Booted Thugs who were armed and helped face down armed presently employed Jack Booted Thugs. <<
That depends. My first suspicion is they are infiltrators looking for Intel. Maybe after associating with them for a year or two, I might let them get close to me. If they were only a cop for one or two years and quit because of the attitude of their sargent /superiors. I would probably go easy on them.
Now if they quit after fifteen years, I’d check them out to see if they were fired or just what happened. That would seriously stink in my mind. I doubt if I would ever fully trust them even if I had a PI do a rundown on them.
WHAT IS A PATRIOT?
PATRIOTS are not “Revolutionaries” trying to overthrow the government of the United States.
PATRIOTS are “Counter-Revolutionaries” trying to prevent the government of the United States,
from overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. - Unknown Author
For the purpose of this conversation, I have narrowed the focus to the ex-cops who stood with Bundy, and I want to keep it from drifting from there.
"My first suspicion is they are infiltrators looking for Intel. Maybe after associating with them for a year or two, I might let them get close to me."
Bundy did not have time to wait a year or two. The accounts were that the situation was tense, and if one shot were fired then a LOT of shots would have been fired. This would not have been a good spot to be in for someone collecting intel. Regardless, because you require a year or two to determine trustworthiness, it must conclude that you believe the ex-cops were still the bad guys.
In the day when if you misspeak to an FBI Agent, you can be charged with a crime. I am very leery around all cops, ex-cops , G-men and or LEO’s of any sort. They are all legally allowed to misrepresent who they are and what their purpose is. Anyone who isn’t leery around them is, IMO, a sucker waiting to get bit.
I am assuming from your nom de plume that you are a current or former LEO. I see the posts here on FR that are extremely critical, bordering on fixation, with regards to LEOs, and that concerns me. It must concern you a lot, since you would be the one walking around in uniform, which basically puts a target on you everywhere you go. I am just curious whether the training being received has changed recently and how that has affected those in the profession. I don’t know any cops, so I was just recounting my one experience with one which was not good. Something about the training changed that guy’s personality – it was obvious, because it happened while he was in training. Does the current training actually weed out some people who would have previously been considered good police officers, but now aren’t ones to stick around and wait to get canned or even imprisoned because he dared pull over and question a Hispanic person? That’s the kind of stuff they are dealing with in Phoenix – all the new limitations they are imposing on police because of La Raza targeting Sheriff Arpaio. I’m curious your take on all of that. And what do you think of the guys who showed up to defend Bundy? Would you consider them to have “gone rogue?”
My opinion is that the cops who showed up to defend Bundy were not men who went "rogue." They were oathkeepers.
Pony, if I were fixated on cop issues, I would be on ALL cop related threads. I skip the overwhelming majority of them. And for being extremely critical, I can't hold a candle to those who say that all cops are crooks, liars, paid murderers, and jack booted thugs.
The rest of your post is interesting, but as you can see, although I wanted to stay within a very narrow area regarding the ex-cops at the Bundy ranch, it tended to expand to cops not involved in the standoff. And once that happens, the discussion gets out of control. So please understand that I'm not going to address the rest of your post. It is beyond what is necessary to this thread.
I know you may not believe this but 15 years ago I was pro LEO’s. The militarization of our police forces, IMO, has resulted in the change in behavior and attitude towards citizens. Today, I simply do not trust any of them. I am still close friends with three men who long ago retired (all of them are now in their 70’s) and they are the same way. They do not make friends with these new cops, never mention they were a former officer unless directly asked. I’ve been retired for fifteen years and I am saddened by what I see.
I did not meant to imply that you were fixated or critical. I said I had seen lots of posts here that border on fixation, but I did not mean yours. If it came across that way, I apologize.
…once that happens, the discussion gets out of control. So please understand that I'm not going to address the rest of your post.
I understand. And perhaps an open forum isn’t the appropriate place for that discussion.
You come across as a reasonable poster who is interested in what is truthful. It isn't that some issues cannot be discussed in an open forum, it's that once the subject matter expands it gets out of control and very personal.
I was on one thread where it went ballistic and the mod finally pulled it because of the name calling and nastiness. I was on another and I got banned as a troll. I asked a question earlier in the thread and it went downhill from there. It's simply my experience to try to narrow the discussion because past experience has shown how quickly it degenerates.
I understand.
For those that argue the kenyan wouldn't fire on Americans: I believe there were a lot of unarmed protesters - women and children there and I have no doubts that 0bama's thugs would not have hesitated to murder them.
Notice he is only concerned about winning or losing and of the bodycount of the officers only. There is no concern as to whether or not the fight he may engage in is right or just. This is why militarizing the police force most stop and we need to reign in polcie authority.
JoMa
When 200 blood thirsty homicidal manics are unleashed against law abiding citizens whose only desire is to earn a living and support their families by the politicians.
Americans from all walks of life met at Bundy's ranch and said, "we are tired of seeing American citizens being shot down like rabid dogs by out of control Goons masquerading as law enforcement officers, we will tolerate it no longer." They put their lives on the line.
When the hired killers of the Government, a/k/a Bureau of Land Management saw that they were facing , not unarmed women and children as their counterparts in the FBI and AFT faced at Waco, but Patriotic Americans ready and willing to shed their blood if necessary, like all cowards, they tucked their tails between their legs and ran.
American loving Patriots. How I love them.
They[the Government politicians] have been at war against us [law abiding productive citizens] for a long time, My FRiend.
I am so proud of them.
Yep. For every can, there is a can opener.
I think that it came about after 9-11 under the guise of “HomeLand Security”.
Very few, if any, on Free Republic hate honest policeman. A Officer who knows that he/she is just another individual earning a living, not some petty tyrant. Now crooked cops, cops that abuse their authority under the color/cover of law, cops that beat helpless people to death, cops that shot innocent people because, “I was in fear of my life”, is a horse of a different color. initially, this board was very pro law enforcement, but as each member had their , through no fault of their own, negative encounters with cops, the mood began to change to where it is now. Me? At one time, I wholeheartedly supported the police, but after a number of negative encounters with them, I learned to avoid then whenever possible.
I myself know several that did that.
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