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Bye, Bye California
Townhall.com ^ | May 3, 2014 | John Ransom

Posted on 05/03/2014 4:30:41 AM PDT by Kaslin

Another blow was struck for competition, common sense and low taxes as Toyota Motor Corp. announced that it will be moving its campus in Torrance, California to a suburb outside of Dallas, Texas.

“Toyota Motor Corp. is moving substantial parts of its U.S. headquarters in Torrance, Calif., to suburban Dallas,” writes the Detroit News, “as the world’s largest automaker seeks savings from its U.S. sales unit, people familiar with the matter said.”

Although no figures are yet available, anecdotal evidence suggests that people are fleeing California, not just companies.

SFGate.com says that 66% of all state revenue now comes from personal income taxes, and that the top 1% paid 41% of all personal income taxes in 2011, while half of all adult Californians paid no income tax at all.

And that was before Proposition 30 passed, a measure that raised the top income tax rate in California to 13.3%, the highest in the nation.

That plays into part of the corporate moves. Imagine being able to give employees a pay increase between 8% and 13.3% by moving from California, to say, Texas.

Not coincidentally, Texas Gov. Rick Perry has spent a great deal of time advertising to Golden Staters the benefits of moving to Texas. Similarly, Indiana and Wisconsin have taken pains to try to recruit corporate relocation from high tax jurisdictions like neighboring Illinois.

Imagine how much happier Toyota salespeople will be, who after all, get paid more money if they sell more cars and now will be able to keep more.

Show me a unionized employee who got a pay increase of 8%-13.3% this past year.

To add to the injury of a tax increase, California also made the tax increase retroactive, which raises a whole bunch of constitutional concerns.

AdverseEvents founder Brian Overstreet told CBN News that he “has suddenly found himself owing an extra $250,000 because of this sudden move by the state to impose back taxes for the past five years.”

Ironically, California is sitting on one of the largest oil finds, with an estimated 400 billion barrels of oil, or about half of Saudi Arabia's conventional reserves. But instead of tapping that economic potential, the state is taking the lazy man's route out by making the millionaires pay.

So oil companies are leaving California in droves, as our colleague Erika Johnsen at HotAir pointed out in March.

Destination? You guessed it: Texas.

Four of the top six states in GDP growth between 2008 and 2012 are high-energy states. North Dakota, Texas, Alaska and Louisiana posted GDP growth between 8% and 35% in the five years through 2012.

Even Hollywood is fleeing the Golden State.

Despite attempts by California to use the millionaire tax to produce subsidies in order to keep film production on the West Coast, states and countries that are hungrier for the jobs films produce, temporary though they may be, are outbidding them, notes Variety, the bible for all things Hollywood.

California currently pays a 20% subsidy for production costs. Australia pays 30% subsidy for production costs.

While the correct subsidy number should be 0% to offset production costs, California's political reaction to this Hollywood holocaust is predictably foolish.

“Steve Dayan, who serves as vice chairman of the state film commission and secretary-treasurer of Local 399 of the Intl. Brotherhood of Teamsters,” writes Variety, “spoke at the Feb. 22 labor rally, promising his union would be willing to repeat its 1999 action of encircling the State Capitol in Sacramento with 200 Teamster trucks — a tactic used to campaign for incentives. ‘We are not going to let other states poach our jobs,’ he said, evoking loud applause from the 700-plus attendees.”

Yeah, keep fighting the last war.

Presumably, Dayan believes that they can just raise taxes on millionaires even higher or, better yet, Toyota Motor Corp. to subsidize the jobs that California can't compete for on the open market.

In other words, expect the exodus from California to continue.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: byebye; california; nancypelosi; plano; taxes; texas; torrance; toyota
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1 posted on 05/03/2014 4:30:41 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Hello, Texas!! GOODBYE, Cali!!


2 posted on 05/03/2014 4:35:18 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Kaslin

“We’re not going to let other states poach our jobs.”

Well, maybe they can shut down the California border and prevent people from leaving.

Or, maybe require anyone leaving to forfeit all that he owns, or imprison anyone who takes “our” jobs to another state?

Just saying.

IMHO


3 posted on 05/03/2014 4:38:33 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Kaslin
SFGate.com says that 66% of all state revenue now comes from personal income taxes, and that the top 1% paid 41% of all personal income taxes in 2011, while half of all adult Californians paid no income tax at all.

Ah! This is what Utopia looks like. And Toyota wants to move their HQ to Dallas. That's craaaazy, man.

4 posted on 05/03/2014 4:40:04 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: Kaslin

In your eye Cali

tata

adios
sayonara
au revior
ciao
toodles


5 posted on 05/03/2014 4:42:59 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kaslin
Imagine being able to give employees a pay increase between 8% and 13.3% by moving from California, to say, Texas.!

now double that with lower cost of living in Texas

6 posted on 05/03/2014 4:45:07 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: ripley
Well, maybe they can shut down the California border and prevent people from leaving.

Not sure if you know how profound this statement is.

7 posted on 05/03/2014 4:46:51 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Kaslin

Unfortunately they’ll vote Democrat when they arrive in Texas.


8 posted on 05/03/2014 4:53:28 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Kaslin
While I understand this is the natural progression of liberal policies, I will withhold my congrats to Texas until it's proved the Californians who are relocating there are leaving their liberal politics behind. Being a native Floridian, I'm very aware of the effects of liberal migration and my own subsequent migration to escape them.
9 posted on 05/03/2014 4:56:11 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Kaslin

Now if they would ignore California’s vehicle emission requirements and produce more affordable efficient vehicles for the rest of us, we’d be even better off.


10 posted on 05/03/2014 4:56:21 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (Repeal it.)
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To: Soul of the South
Unfortunately they’ll vote Democrat when they arrive in Texas.

The Californication of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado is in full swing. The New Yorkification of Florida has been going on for decades as well.

11 posted on 05/03/2014 5:03:19 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Kaslin
And that was before Proposition 30 passed, a measure that raised the top income tax rate in California to 13.3%, the highest in the nation.

Gee, 13.3 % state tax plus the federal tax of 39 % = 42.3 % plus SS tax, Medicare tax...

You pay 50 % off the top...

Why in the world would anybody making 1 % money live in California ?

12 posted on 05/03/2014 5:04:18 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Former Proud Canadian; ripley

>>Well, maybe they can shut down the California border and prevent people from leaving.
Not sure if you know how profound this statement is.<<

I left a little over 2 years ago. I miss a lot of things (L.A. was my birthplace), but there are still more things I am happy to be away from.

Since then, there has been talk in California about an Exit Tax.

Yes, seriesly.


13 posted on 05/03/2014 5:06:09 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: Soul of the South

yup, Virginia is now ruled by the beltway.


14 posted on 05/03/2014 5:07:21 AM PDT by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: liberalh8ter

There is a misconception that all of California is liberal.

Only the large cities and university towns are liberal. You get away from the coast and for the most part Californians are conservatives. Unfortunately the big cities with their big population dominate Sacramento.

Add to that the fact news outlets support liberal causes.

Californians have on many occasions via propositions support conservative causes. This has worked in the past, that is until recently when the left discovered they can find liberal judges to rule state Constitutional amendments supported by the people, to be unconstitutional. Since the Democrats control Sacramento, these over reach of power are never challenged.

So do not tar all Californians with the same brush. Remember FreeRepublic lives in California as well.


15 posted on 05/03/2014 5:12:16 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I do not doubt that our climate changes. I only doubt that anything man does has any effect.)
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To: Popman

Check your math. Total tax is even worse than you indicate!


16 posted on 05/03/2014 5:14:18 AM PDT by mn-bush-man
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To: Kaslin

I saw the funniest ad yesterday while watching the news. The state of New York is advertising for businesses to move their business to New York for a fresh start. I looked up their taxes on business and there is a list as long as your arm. Are they kidding?


17 posted on 05/03/2014 5:16:24 AM PDT by kempster
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To: mn-bush-man
Check your math. Total tax is even worse than you indicate!

Doh' just finished my first cup of Joe...brain was in granny gear...

More like 55 % tax off the top...

18 posted on 05/03/2014 5:17:08 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Kaslin

CA’s population actually grew last year. I suspect taxpayers leaving versus taxusers entering.


19 posted on 05/03/2014 5:19:30 AM PDT by umgud
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To: 2harddrive

“Hello, Texas!! GOODBYE, Cali!!”

Hello, Texas!! GOODBYE Taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“I don’t know why you say goodbye, I say hello o o, oh,o o o.”


20 posted on 05/03/2014 5:20:43 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: ripley

Or they can make residency “retroactive” like the b******* are trying to do with income taxes

Just unreal


21 posted on 05/03/2014 5:21:26 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Hey 2008, we told you so)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

It’s why the Berlin Wall was built.


22 posted on 05/03/2014 5:24:45 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: Kaslin
I can't,for the life of me,understand why anyone who actually *works* for a living (getting a government paycheck isn't “working”) stays in that state.Earthquakes,brush fires,landslides,30 million Mexicans *and* the taxes? No thanks.
23 posted on 05/03/2014 5:29:21 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Kaslin

And as long as CA keeps practicing its politics of sticking-it-to-the-rich insanity, instead of politics of economic growth, those of us who have left the state are in no hurry to return.

I love CA. No matter where I live, CA will always be my home. But I am saddened whenever I go back and see that the state looks run-down (presumably because so much is spent on redistributing wealth that little is left for infrastructure, and because taxes are so high people can’t afford to maintain their properties). We went to my favorite state park last summer, and found out that its operating budget had been cut... while the state continues to look for more ways to transfer wealth to the permanent poverty class and illegals.

In a sane state, infrastructure and parks wouldn’t be underfunded in order to maximize welfare giveaways.


24 posted on 05/03/2014 5:29:59 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: CIB-173RDABN
I'm sorry if my post 'tars all Californians with the same brush' and in truth, I think we're all intelligent enough to understand my comment targets the state demographics overall and not individuals. It's safe to assume the average percentage of democrats within California's population would also reside in Toyota's workforce.

As referenced in my statement, my experience comes from Northeastern liberals coming to my State and with that migration comes political change. I am slowly watching Florida become little California so please,understand that I am well aware conservatives reside within your State, as they do in mine.

25 posted on 05/03/2014 5:33:01 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Kaslin
6 weeks from today, this born and raised Cali will be moving to NV.

It's a shame as I love this state. It was such a beautiful state before the dems took over.

26 posted on 05/03/2014 5:35:08 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (Molon Labe)
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To: Soul of the South

Not necessarily.


27 posted on 05/03/2014 5:42:48 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Soul of the South

Not necessarily.


28 posted on 05/03/2014 5:42:49 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: 2harddrive

But will they vote Republican? Probably not look at Northern VA they make $$ but vote Democrat


29 posted on 05/03/2014 5:45:16 AM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: umgud

And we can guess who the tax users are, can’t we?


30 posted on 05/03/2014 5:46:26 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: kempster

Yes, New York State IS kidding. While they claim to have “tax deferred” enterprise zones, these are scattered and only in very impacted pockets within the state. Once the enterprise gets up and running, their best strategy is to exit the state when the ten-year exemption is ended.

At which point the state legislature will confiscate whatever holdings the former transplant still has in the “Empire State”.

Get in, milk the temporary advantages, and get out.

New York State would do far better to make the business climate better for the enterprises that are already operating on something of a paying basis, or are still there, but near moribund.

Closed plants pay no wages. A fact that seems to escape the folks in Albany.


31 posted on 05/03/2014 5:48:21 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: kempster

Oh for heavens sake, FNC has been playing this ad for month now on our Charter Cable channel


32 posted on 05/03/2014 5:48:25 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: 2harddrive

As a Texan, what worries me is the democrats trying very hard to turn Houston into a liberal community just like Austin. They are trying very hard to make Texas a blue state and with that goes the Texas economy...as well as everything else. Corporations coming to Texas are fine, as long as they leave their liberal politics in the states where they are.


33 posted on 05/03/2014 5:50:08 AM PDT by native texan (Texans should be independent thinkers)
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To: Popman

What if you didn’t “make” anything?

A lot of the super rich who support and vote democrat are trust fund babies or have established trust funds.

Technically, and for tax purposes of course, they don’t “make” anything or have very little “income” for all of their wealth. Their wealth is another matter, but that gets locked up in a trust fund that exists to shield them from taxes and provides the great benefit of serving their every need for extravagant living, such as a luxurious mansion, expensive cars, expert staff, from chefs to stable boys. If things get too close tax wise and such, they can always have their multi-million dollar yachts registered in Mexico or Rhode Island; where ever it is cheaper and works on paper.

Then they can go out and advocate democrat causes, look and feel like they CARE, and campaign for even more taxes on the income of the “rich”, who are generally small business people providing most of the country’s jobs.

What a scam!


34 posted on 05/03/2014 5:53:56 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: NonValueAdded

The communist regime from East Germany didn’t want the East Germans and East Berliners to go over to the West. That is why the wall was built. I had a cousin who was from Leipzig and as far as I know he went or tried to go over the wall. No one knows what happened to him


35 posted on 05/03/2014 5:54:15 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Don’t Kaleefornicate Texas.


36 posted on 05/03/2014 5:58:49 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: ripley

Next; pay next year’s taxes...


37 posted on 05/03/2014 6:09:07 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
"Not sure if you know how profound this statement is."

Sorta like the old Cockroach Motel ad...

"They can check in, but they can't check out."

38 posted on 05/03/2014 6:11:26 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Kaslin
"So Long, Farewell" From the Sound of Music
39 posted on 05/03/2014 6:15:18 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: freedumb2003

Fortunately, an exit tax is a dead issue having been ruled on by Scotus in the same category as other barriers to interstate trade and travel.
I’m sure the best of the worst legal liberal trash minds are still trying to circumvent this as we write...
Give it a few more decades...


40 posted on 05/03/2014 6:22:53 AM PDT by bill1952 (taxes don't hurt the rich, they keep YOU from becoming rich.)
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To: Soul of the South

“Unfortunately they’ll vote Democrat when they arrive in Texas.”

Although some of this will happen, it’s not clear that it will be widespread. The people leaving will not for the most part be among the ones who pay zero tax. They are the ones who vote democrat.

It’s a little different with Florida where many move there for climate reasons.


41 posted on 05/03/2014 6:23:28 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: alloysteel

Yes, NY is subsidizing new business relocations on the backs of existing businesses.


42 posted on 05/03/2014 6:23:32 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Kaslin

Wealth is portable to a degree, but more importantly the people with the ability to produce said wealth can easily tell CA to FO and walk away with their football. How well did Chavez do with the oil industry after the corporations walked away? CA can expect no better. Of course they could always build a wall...

Deprive an individual of the incentive to be productive and they will no longer be productive. It’s so simple a concept that the left cannot misunderstand the principle. Therefore the only conclusion is that the destruction of the California economy is entirely on purpose. Draw you own conclusion as to why.


43 posted on 05/03/2014 6:33:07 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"I can't, for the life of me, understand why anyone who actually *works* for a living (getting a government paycheck isn't "working") stays in that state."

Well, after 4 yrs in the Navy and 35 years as an Air Traffic Controller, is guess I never *worked* a day, huh?

But I sure do agree about California, it's Massachusettes without the ugly.

44 posted on 05/03/2014 6:33:23 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: liberalh8ter

Prayers for Florida folks. I think we left just when SoFlo started to speed up on its downhill trajectory.


45 posted on 05/03/2014 6:34:28 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: diogenes ghost
Well, after 4 yrs in the Navy and 35 years as an Air Traffic Controller, is guess I never *worked* a day, huh?

It's understood by everyone that serving in the Armed Forces constitutes real "work".Yes,I should have made *that* clear.As for Air Traffic Control...was there a union there that gave tons of $$$ to the Rat Party? If so,I don't consider that "work".Sorry.

46 posted on 05/03/2014 6:37:25 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: freedumb2003

Exit tax?

Maybe when the whole country is solidly Progressive, they might be able to get away with guard towers in every corner of the state.

In that way, every citizen can be the recipient of the love that every Progressive has for all of mankind.
(Except, “ya know”, for those who are still in the womb.)

IMHO


47 posted on 05/03/2014 6:55:21 AM PDT by ripley
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To: freedumb2003

“Since then, there has been talk in California about an Exit Tax.

Yes, seriesly.”

Why not ? The USA already has a 10 year exit tax (you can leave the USA but you still pay USA taxes for 10 years).

I see no reason for CA to go 1 step further with a forever exit tax or maybe 2 steps further with a forever and retroactive tax or maybe 3 steps further with a forever, retroactive plus a penalty tax.


48 posted on 05/03/2014 6:56:41 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: bill1952

“Fortunately, an exit tax is a dead issue having been ruled on by Scotus “

Just one more democrat president and they have control of Scotus too.


49 posted on 05/03/2014 7:01:06 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Caipirabob

Thanks very much! I’ve moved to the Bible Belt in Florida and even here we’re turning blue - thanks to farmers wanting those subsidies and cheap, imported labor.


50 posted on 05/03/2014 7:12:16 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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