Odessa police free 67 detained in deadly clashes

AP ^ | 8 minutes ago | Associated Press By NICOLAE DUMITRACHE and PETER LEONARD

[lodi90]

I can assure you that those unarmed Ukrainians citizens being shot at by AKs on Friday were not thinking about the IMF or Monsanto or whatever when that was happening. The bodies were dropping around them and they had a decision to make. Run or stand their ground. They choose to stay. Basically all of them as far as I could see on the live stream. Think about that.

The thing you need to understand is that we or “the west” don’t get to decide for Ukrainian patriots what is worth dying for. They do.

[Rashputin]

What's this "we" crap, you got a mouse in your pocket?

You're pumping and pimping to have NATO in the Ukraine nearly every day as if "NATO" is anything other than US and maybe Polish grunts with a horde of European REMFs talking on their iPhones well to their rear.

So,

back at ya'.

The reality is that they fled rather than defend the Crimea and now they're killing one another while the Kiev coup crowd and their apologists try desperately to keep people from looking at reality.

The people now in Kiev who claim to be the government just sent Ukrainian troops into the Eastern Ukraine to kill Ukrainian civilians for behaving exactly the way the people now in power behaved for almost a year prior to overthrowing the government. That's a fact and no amount of spin or trying to change the subject can hide that fact.

It's already a Civil War whether anyone wants to admit that fact or not. Blaming Putin is just stupid. He could see what would happen if the government was overthrown prior to the already scheduled elections and took advantage of the situation to take Crimea off the playing board.

The US should stay out of it.

[lodi90]

LOL. That one stings. Coming from somebody who doesn’t know what the FSB is. You should do your homework before you work on your art.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Security_Service

[Rashputin]

Why should any American care which department of the Ukrainian government sides with which faction in their Civil War?

So far in their history since independence, they've all been equally corrupt and equally willing to look the other way while mobs murdered one another and even murdered police.

I know it shocks the propagandists but no "homework" is required to see that the crowd in power now has the Ukrainian Army killing Ukrainian civilians and are desperate to have outsiders help them kill Ukrainians who won't go along with the "government" being installed by a mob.

The only important letters are "BFD" for Big Friggin' Deal, let them deal with their own mess.

[FreeReign]

I know it shocks the propagandists but no "homework" is required to see that the crowd in power now has the Ukrainian Army killing Ukrainian civilians and are desperate to have outsiders help them kill Ukrainians who won't go along with the "government" being installed by a mob.

You're posting propaganda. Not just the above comments. But pretty much all of it.

[Rashputin]

Sure, anyone who doesn’t agree with you is posting propaganda, I’ve heard that lame BS before.

[FreeReign]

Sure, anyone who doesn’t agree with you is posting propaganda, I’ve heard that lame BS before.

LOL. You just called people who disagree with you "propagandists" in the post I was replying to.

Now you're crying about it.

[Rashputin]

I post my opinions, I don't regurgitate press releases out of Kiev, that's the difference. Here's a tidbit for ya' :

Ukrainian officials say the ongoing rebellion in the Donetsk region has succeeded so far in part because many regional police officers have cooperated with the separatists.

“We need to fire the entire regional police force as Russia-inspired mutiny collaborators,” a high-ranking regional Security Service officer who requested anonymity told The Times. “We urgently need to build a new police force of local patriots, but we are critically losing time.”

The rest is availabe at the link and it's very clear that there are civilians siezing buildings and resisting the coup Kiddis in Kiev.

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-wn-ukraine-separatists-donetsk-20140504,0,7658585.story

[FreeReign]

I post my opinions, I don't regurgitate press releases out of Kiev, that's the difference.

And the posters that you are responding to are posting their opinions too. And they will tell you that they are not "regurgitating press releases" too.

But since you think it's okay to call people "propagandists" and "regurgitators of press releases", I will point out that you are indeed posting the Putin owned RT line whether you know that or not.

Here's a tidbit for ya' :

Ukrainian officials say the ongoing rebellion in the Donetsk region has succeeded so far in part because many regional police officers have cooperated with the separatists.We need to fire the entire regional police force as Russia-inspired mutiny collaborators,” a high-ranking regional Security Service officer who requested anonymity told The Times. “We urgently need to build a new police force of local patriots, but we are critically losing time.”

For starters, the quote is anonymous. Are you one to believe anonymous sources? I'm not. Anyway, let's assume it's true. Police forces who do not follow the law and protect the people, you think is a good thing??

I don't.

[Rashputin]

" . . .posting their opinions too."

That just happen to match PR puff pieces out of Kiev word for word, how very strange indeed.