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1 posted on 05/09/2014 9:03:48 PM PDT by windcliff
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If someone fires at you, you're allowed to fire back.

This needs to be investigated by an external agency to make sure this story checks out.

The mayor of this town is an absolute horse's ass.

2 posted on 05/09/2014 9:08:05 PM PDT by wideawake
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The cops that beat to death that L.A. bum ON VIDEO CAMERA (the guy who called out, “Dad, help me..!”) were let-off Scott-free.

Fired, but no time, no fine.

Nothing.


4 posted on 05/09/2014 9:11:40 PM PDT by gaijin
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This does not sound like a bad shoot. Old age does not entitle you to act like a jackass waving and firing a gun because you’re mad at DMV.


5 posted on 05/09/2014 9:12:07 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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Idiot. Leave the area. Come back when she is not pissed. Call the cops? Really? Is this guy in her will?


6 posted on 05/09/2014 9:15:45 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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A 93 yo can shoot and kill someone with a .38 everyday of the week. Sounds like the old lady was off her rocker or perhaps her meds.


10 posted on 05/09/2014 9:28:16 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (The more I know, the more I realize that how much more there is to learn.)
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Well, she’s no longer suffering from dementia and her worries about a hip replacement seem trivial now...


26 posted on 05/09/2014 11:00:40 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: windcliff

At this point in the storey we only know what the media is saying. We do not know accurate details of what happened.

This may have been a “good shoot” which was justified. It may have been a “bad shoot” and not justified. Until all the facts are in, we do not know. The officer may be a good officer or he may be a really bad officer.

The most important thing to know is, at this point we do not know.


28 posted on 05/10/2014 12:07:50 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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Possible suicide by cop?


30 posted on 05/10/2014 12:32:46 AM PDT by wintertime
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—Dozens of protesters, including some who came in from Houston, —

Was one of them named Quanell10?


32 posted on 05/10/2014 2:18:10 AM PDT by rightly_dividing
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Roy Jones, having been called all sorts of names, in the original postings of this news item, has gone into ‘cya’ mode.

“Uh, she started shooting at me!”

Well, really nice, now that she is not around to dispute your statement, jerk!

A 93 year old woman, who by all descriptions, has been completely independent for all of those years, suddenly has that freedom taken away, by failing a portion of a driver’s test.

Now, this young man, is demanding the very symbol of her lost freedom, the car keys.

As to the gun, her late husband was a local cop, according to other news stories I’ve read.

How would you feel, if you had to surrender your car keys, forever?


35 posted on 05/10/2014 2:57:31 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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Give her the keys, call the cops and report an unlicensed driver as soon as she gets behind the wheel.


39 posted on 05/10/2014 4:39:32 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: windcliff; Travis McGee
Now Quannell X and other racial malcontents are stirring up the natives. I say bring it.


44 posted on 05/10/2014 6:20:45 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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It sounds like the old lady was irrational, perhaps had dementia, Alzheimer’s. She failed her driver’s test. Why? Bad eyesight? Perhaps her doctor had ordered her to retest for some reason. Maybe it was just time to renew. Did she have to take a drive in the car or was the test simply written or visual? I don’t know, but for some reason, she failed the test.

It is understandable that the nephew might think that taking her car keys was appropriate. Sounds like she had indicated that she’d keep on driving with our without a license and the nephew decided that it was time to keep her from driving both for her own safety and the safety of others.

If the old lady was firing off shots, she was clearly not in her right mind, whether because of a temper tantrum or dementia. Acting out does not give her a free pass to shoot whomever she pleases, or to endanger others. The officer shot her and for all we know, she kept shooting. We don’t know how close she came to hitting anybody, or how close her house was to other houses or how many bystanders were looking on. All we know is that the officer apparently thought it better to shoot her than let her go on shooting until she either ran out of bullets or hurt someone.

I know an elderly woman (90 years old) with Alzheimer’s and can tell you that they can throw temper tantrums, lash out in ways one might find appalling and frightening. There are even reports of Alzheimer’s patients killing people that they knew and loved. The woman I know was convinced that she could drive, knew where to go, etc. Some days are good, and some are apparently terrible.

I am sad for the people involved, for the family of the woman and for the officer who has to live with the shooting, regardless of whether or not it was appropriate. If the woman was ill, and I’m guessing that at the very best she was not clear headed—going off on her nephew with a gun is a good indication— then who knows what she might have done if not stopped. It’s sad, but before we condemn the officer, we need the full story, including the previous mental status of the dead woman.


48 posted on 05/10/2014 7:56:57 AM PDT by Marty
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Yep. Cops investigating cops is a big mistake and conflict of interest, but if this story is legitimate it’s a good shooting.


49 posted on 05/10/2014 8:30:45 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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” A preliminary autopsy shows Golden was shot twice in the body and grazed by a third bullet, Robertson County District Attorney Coty Siegert has said.”

“Siegert told the station that because the case is still under investigation, he could neither confirm nor deny that Golden fired her gun.”

““She did have a gun. … Now, what she was doing with it, that is the ultimate question,” said Siegert.”

“Robertson County District Attorney Coty Siegert could not confirm any evidence existed indicating Golden had fired her weapon, but said it was too early in the investigation to rule out the possibility”

“Stephen Stern (pictured inset) who fired five shots at her while he was responding to an emergency call about a woman wielding a gun.”

“Now folks in the predominantly Black Texas town are up in arms questioning why would any law enforcement agent shoot an elderly woman repeatedly and not resort to other means to get her to put down her weapon,”

“When Stem and another officer arrived, he asked the elderly woman to put down her weapon. When she refused, and allegedly continued to wave the gun, he shot her.”

“Candles left in vigil remained outside her home two days after the shooting. Foster and others said she lived alone and that her husband had been a Hearne police officer himself.”

” Hearne police have said in a statement that Golden “brandished a firearm.”

This is the key, “brandished a firearm.”. Now the police can Kill You. Does it matter that it’s a 93 year old lady? Of course it does! Maybe she was a relative of Bonnie Parker, but it’s unlikely. COMMON SENSE, seems to be lacking in too many LEOs. Green light to shoot, so I shoot seems to be the procedure too often followed.

They aimed their car in my direction....Green light to shoot, so I shoot.

The dog barked at me......Green light to shoot, so I shoot.

Suspect (innocent until proven guilty) of police shooting crashes car after chase. Car wedged not movable. Green light to shoot, so I shoot. Massive gunfire by many officers. Pause, officer orders occupants to raise their hands over their heads. Driver (who is already shot) tries to comply, officers see movement....Green light to shoot, so I shoot. A total of 337 bullets (I think, over 300 anyway) The perp and an innocent passenger are killed (murdered). Three police officers are also shot, by other police officers, in the crossfire. (circular firing squad).

If you are “suspected” of shooting a police officer, it’s WAY MORE than a green light. It’s permission to become judge, jury, and executioner for all police officers.

The police are OUT OF CONTROL. Start sending these dangerous cops to prison and see how fast things change.


54 posted on 05/10/2014 8:49:40 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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Why did Jones not leave the area.

Did Jones also live there?


57 posted on 05/10/2014 7:09:08 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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