Posted on 05/11/2014 4:12:33 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
DONETSK, Ukraine -- Ninety percent of voters in a key industrial region in eastern Ukraine came out in favor of sovereignty Sunday, pro-Russian insurgents said in announcing preliminary results of a twin referendum that is certain to deepen the turmoil in the country.
Roman Lyagin, election chief of the self-styled Donetsk People's Republic, said around 75 percent of the Donetsk region's 3 million or so eligible voters cast ballots, and the vast majority backed self-rule.
(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...
Puti is far wealthier...
“Not so “VERY” but indeed, they are moving from pure Sovietism to a mix of that and Mussolini style fascism”
That is a road too far, I think. The USA has rushed headlong into fascism at a much faster pace than Russia is doing.
The Administration has almost total control of the American Mainstream media, with clear punishments for those that don’t play along.
The administration now picks and chooses which laws it will/will not enforce.
The administration now uses the force of Government to pick winners and losers in business.
The Democrat-connected Oligarchs line up at the treasury for their wheelbarrows full of taxpayer money, etc...
Now, if Russia starts using their IRS on political enemies...
Most Mexicans would like to have the Southwest back. I know a lot of Mexican Americans, my great grandfather was a Mexican Indian. I know two who would support a Mexican takeover because they are basically racist. Everyone else would be horrified at any real possibility of a Mexican takeover. The know all too well why their ancestors came here, most during or just after a bloody revolution and later a one party socialist authoritarian corruptocracy.
“The USA has rushed headlong into fascism at a much faster pace than Russia is doing.”
Yes, evil America... yawn...
“Now, if Russia starts using their IRS on political enemies...”
Dude, they just kill them over there.
“Anyone who believes this result is a fool.”
Do you REALLY think the people there, mostly Russians, want to be part of the Ukraine? If so, you’re in a VERY SMALL group, limited to the Administration and yourself - not even the media buys that line.
Of course he’s not. I don’t mean to suggest he is.
Our current dictator also is Soviet and has killed more actual people than Putin...while bragging how good he’s getting at it... while giving more cash and weapons to terrorist muslims than Putin.
Ultimately we have a choice in this. Invade or sit down and shut up. Personally, I would be miffed if a bunch of Ukrainians stuck their noses into America’s internal conflicts, OR external conflicts. It’s their country to so with as they see fit. If they go Soviet, that’s their call and we will deal with it if we ever have to.
But while this collection of communists in DC runs the show, I do nor one drop of American blood or treasure involved with ANYTHING related to a nuclear armed country because they only EVER MAKE IT WORSE.
You know I like Fallout. I just don’t want to experience it for real anytime soon.
I am going to break godwin's law but it needs to be said, it's like the difference between National Socialism and International Socialism.
Similar Products but marketed differently and to different people.
But Putin's sure as Hell is not a disciple of Thomas Jefferson or John Locke.
You pathological liar !
Younpost a bold faced lie that .
The KGB was never shut down
Read all sbout the Hell that Putin has created .
If Outin such a nationalist then why is he setting up military
outposts in Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua !
All fellow Leftist dictatorship.
What a bunch of murdering liars. Wow
read all about the KGB tyrant Putin these trolls lie to yiur face about.
“Today’s Russia is VERY different from Yesterday’s Soviet Union.”
That is SO TRUE. Russians today are a happy people and PROUD of their country. They also don’t mind helping out Russians that are stuck in other, unfriendly, places.
It AMAZES me that people here are SO QUICK to believe Dan Rather and the Administration when they tell us that Russia is pure evil. Why? I thought most of us were inherently suspicious of these types telling us what to believe. Why believe them now?
Whether true or not, the result matters insofar as it repudiates all the Western polls that purported to show eastern Ukrainians were in love with the Maidan regime. Clearly, in Donetsk they’re not. There is widespread disaffection and the fact people turned out to vote under circumstances nothing short of an outright civil war is stunning.
It may not be legal but it strengthens Russia’s hand and if the results are close like that also in Lugansk, it only reveals how unrepresentative the upcoming May 25 presidential elections are going to be. Of course Kiev and its Western backers will close their eyes and pretend it means nothing. How very convenient.
“Can you expand on that—I am interested in your take on the differences.I am not as up on Russia as I used to be”
The average Russian under 35 or 40 has no real recollection of what life was like under the Soviets, other than some classroom propaganda in elementary school for the oldest of that group.
They are free to travel, in Russia and abroad. They have free access to the same info that we do. 200 channels of TV, foods and goods from other countries, cars, etc...
What they do know is that life in Russia under Putin has improved dramatically from their parents had to endure.
Huge infrastructure projects are going on all over Russia, bringing jobs and wealth with them, and the future is brighter for them, than for their parents.
Yes, crime and corruption still are rampant, but not nearly on the same scale as after the fall. In the Soviet Union, the Black Market economy was larger than the real economy. Today, it is only for illegal drugs, etc...
They have open elections, with opposition, on all levels from local to national. And frankly, they aren’t any more corrupt than ours are.
We have to take these changes into account in any calculation involving Russia.
Oh please...holding an election under the threats of invasion and with a angry mobs going about in the streets smashing symbols of the ukrainian government is coercion..period.
“Oh please...holding an election under the threats of invasion and with a angry mobs going about in the streets smashing symbols of the ukrainian government is coercion..period.”
If you understood the demographics of that region you’d understand that the Russian side would win in a landslide, coercion or not. The election means nothing...either way - the people there simply WANT OUT of the Ukraine and that is it.
How many Putin propaganda posts have made here today?...
Who do you work for?..
Why are you posting nothing but Putin lies and misinformation....?.
How many Putin Propaganda lies in one day ?
Lets count the amount of KGB spin you have shot off today!!
“The native language of 74.9% of the population of the Donetsk region is Russian, compared with 24.1% Ukrainian.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk
“That is SO TRUE. Russians today are a happy people and PROUD of their country. They also don’t mind helping out Russians that are stuck in other, unfriendly, places.”
LOL !!!
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