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CIS: Nearly 8 Million Stem Degree Holders In U.S. Not Working In Stem Fields
NUMBERS USA ^ | 05/21/2014

Posted on 05/21/2014 11:23:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Myrddin

Exactly. I have worked with lots of CIS/IT people who couldn’t do the actual work. They just thought it would be a conduit to management.

We lost a student worker who had written a critical system in PHP and Perl. We had no one with any experience in the language so I got stuck with it. When I finally learned it, they outsourced the system.

Now our ERP is throwing Groovy and Grails over the wall at us. I’m getting a reprieve by doing all the PL/SQL coding.


21 posted on 05/21/2014 12:33:32 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
Because there is a shortage of skilled STEM workers.

I work - when I can find a job - in the Silicon Valley.

Your statement is complete B.S.

All native-born - and many naturalized - citizens that I know of in the chip design world are unemployed.

22 posted on 05/21/2014 12:51:23 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: SeekAndFind

Often visas in engineering and research are tied to ONE particular employer —this gives that entity ENORMOUS influence over the visa holder.

They can “suggest” that you do overtime, they can “suggest” that requests for vacation are unwelcome, they can “suggest” that current pay is adequate or even excessive.

They WILL get compliance.

There is NO SHORTAGE of STEM workers in the USA, there is only a preference to never be sued and never be questioned —EVAR.


23 posted on 05/21/2014 12:53:27 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Mr. K

My practice has a sizable number of such ex-Boeing workers replaced by H1-Bs. Disgraceful.


24 posted on 05/21/2014 12:56:12 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

It’s all about bucks; I don’t mind success, but we’re not being smart about the reality of work. People should be paid well if they are contributing to the bottom line. it’s not easy to program software and bluntly put, they have no business messing around with our nation’s security and economy for more and more and more bucks.

I sincerely think that the collapse of the world economy is due to the relentless demand for cheaper and cheaper labor.


25 posted on 05/21/2014 12:59:30 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: SeekAndFind

But the jobless rate dipped a bit, so everything’s looking up (even though my bartender holds a Phd in Chemistry)...

/s


26 posted on 05/21/2014 1:01:10 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Yossarian

We can’t find programmers who can speak English


27 posted on 05/21/2014 1:08:04 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: staytrue
Apparently a lot of STEM graduates are unable to find employment 1.2 million according to the article. Yet, we still let in hundreds of thousands of H1B1 Visa holders yearly.

Go figure.

28 posted on 05/21/2014 1:08:32 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: AppyPappy
I have an extensive and growing library built from titles acquired at Manning Publications, Pragmatic Programmers, Oreilly Publishing, Apress and others. I'm always adding new languages to my skill set and exercising the new skills in my Linux and Windows environments. One of my co-workers is evaluating web map client packages as replacements for our current ESRI on GWT implementation. Cesium and Leaflet have been checked this week. Leaflet is looking like a strong contender. I take care of the X11/Motif clients to the ESRI mapper. We're perpetually tweaking the code to deal with the Northrup Grumman CGA image servers. Great servers, but we have to keep the customer code working as the servers morph and patch.

I love doing embedded/DSP work, but much of that money dried up when Obama took office.

29 posted on 05/21/2014 1:11:37 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Wuli
Met two or three people who were given green cards to fill jobs in the US. That was years ago. They became citizens, married, have families. When they reached that point where they actually needed a living wage, they were laid off and replaced by.....foreign workers with legal green cards!

How out of control is that?

30 posted on 05/21/2014 1:13:11 PM PDT by grania
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

‘Henry Ford knew if he paid his employees top dollar it would create a stronger customer base for his own products. This is common sense.’

Might be common sense, but this is also a common misconception. That is certainly not the reason why Ford paid what he paid. He did so because he couldn’t find enough employees at the wages he was paying. Literally 50% turn over was common at the lower industry standard.


31 posted on 05/21/2014 1:13:32 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Wuli
what is the H1B visa game actually about

Not usually mentioned by either side is that Asian H1B workers count as minorities for affirmative action quotas. If they were bankers, lawyers, etc. they'd be plain ol' white people.

Hiring or contracting in STEM areas, when federal money is involved, require that 20% of those interviews must be some government-approved minority, even if there is only one person in the country that fills the bill.

One federal agency wanted to hire five PhDs this year for a NOFORN project. My nephew was the only one who even came close to what they wanted, but they still had to interview four more warm bodies to uphold their side of the Kabuki.

So normally, H1Bs in STEM can be a double bonus if federal dollars are involved.

32 posted on 05/21/2014 1:14:23 PM PDT by 300winmag (Whatever CAN go wrong has already happened. We just don't know about it yet.)
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To: AppyPappy

Where are you located? What is your company?


33 posted on 05/21/2014 1:15:46 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: logi_cal869
even though my bartender holds a Phd in Chemistry

One of the bartenders at the Pocatello Chili's has a master's in chemical engineering. Another young lady bartending at Applebee's in Pocatello was completing a master's program in a medical field. It's a college town. Many will leave town on completion of their degree work. There is no work to keep them around.

34 posted on 05/21/2014 1:16:32 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: SeekAndFind

The “S” has become quite bastardized by the laeft and academics. Science is anything for which you can get a government grant. Political “Science.” “Psuedoscience” “Paramormal researcher” And hilariously misnamed “climate scientist.”


35 posted on 05/21/2014 1:18:31 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Yossarian
You might check out ON Semiconductor in Pocatello. ON purchased our AMI Semiconductor facilities. Lots of people doing design and fab of digital and mixed signal chips.
36 posted on 05/21/2014 1:22:53 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: AppyPappy

That is pure crap. There is no shortage.


37 posted on 05/21/2014 1:27:07 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Myrddin

“I decided a life of smelly labs and begging for grant money wasn’t really what I wanted.”

Exactly! It seems like you redirected your career aspirations in a productive and enjoyable way. That’s what it’s all about.


38 posted on 05/21/2014 1:43:19 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: dagogo redux

Look for Boeing quality to suffer dramatically


39 posted on 05/21/2014 2:02:44 PM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: Yossarian

Virginia Tech.


40 posted on 05/21/2014 2:27:53 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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